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Onegu
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justanothertownie
16308 Posts
On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote: How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? Are you scum? How can you not see that this is never a winning play as mafia. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote: How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO. | ||
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justanothertownie
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justanothertownie
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On August 23 2014 22:19 justanothertownie wrote: I am not telling you not to vote Hapa. Xatalos... the thing that stops me here is how huge his filter is and I don't know if he would really post all the dumb stuff he posted as mafia. What dumb stuff did I ever even post (besides some of the questionable arguments in my notes that are originally never even meant to be shared, only to write stuff down to help my thinking)? I already answered your earlier collection of my "dumb stuff" and well, one post was useless I guess, but not really even dumb. The rest I couldn't understand why you even disagreed. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
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IAmRobik
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On August 23 2014 22:24 Onegu wrote: He always has passion but does he believe what he is writeing? No he doesnt. You cant read his filter and tell me he believes his pushes. Why do you come to the thread, say you're good at reading Rayn and how to read Rayn, then convientely finds something on him AFTER coming up on how Rayn acts, and completely ignores the rest if the thread? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On August 23 2014 19:42 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. rayn saying that Damdred could be SK actually makes a bit of sense. Looking at Damdred's filter there are some odd points like him looking for bluetells and being really passive in the whole rayn/Hapa debate. Dropped some points. This is kind of a stupid point, it looked like a soft claim to me which you do do Xata. And I wasn't passive I yelled at rayn a couple of times to do work, made a point about the timing of hapas case and got on hapa about how easily he came off of rayn but i've been asleep since so exageration by xata.... On August 23 2014 20:40 Xatalos wrote: Well, turtlevine and GB are almost confirmed town so not much point in reading them. KelsierSC is probably town although he does some dumb things so not him really. Reading Hapa/rayn would be kind of crucial since that's the "big topic" of the recent 10 pages or so. rayn has a huge filter though. With that said I think VA and Damdred are the players in the grey area (passive / not very impactful in the thread) where some scum often reside. So that could be a good direction to read too. Can you not keep your story straight Xata? On August 23 2014 02:48 Xatalos wrote: Damdred is making sense lately and feels like a constructive force in the discussion. Unlynchable really. So w hich way is it buddy? Just feels like you are slinging a little bit of crap on me and it feels really scummy | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote: I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. You clearly haven't played with rayn in a while. While I respect part of the premise that he is pseudo pushing instead of going ham, I would be more concerned about the latter. Look at how he pushed me in gsl and temp in foundations. The dichotomy in the play is huge - there's a focus and a tunnel in his mafia games. He's not imposing in this game and that's townie of rayn. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On August 23 2014 21:47 Xatalos wrote: With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed. This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous. 1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish. 2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed. 3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy. 4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon. 5 ll of my reads besides the Masons are now -1, 0, 1 or 2 points This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On August 23 2014 22:48 Damdred wrote: This is kind of a stupid point, it looked like a soft claim to me which you do do Xata. And I wasn't passive I yelled at rayn a couple of times to do work, made a point about the timing of hapas case and got on hapa about how easily he came off of rayn but i've been asleep since so exageration by xata.... Can you not keep your story straight Xata? So w hich way is it buddy? Just feels like you are slinging a little bit of crap on me and it feels really scummy You were very constructive at one point but when the thread exploded, you kind of... disappeared? You did make some posts but nothing that changed anything really. And I didn't like you bringing up the "bluetell". If I was actually claiming/breadcrumbing something, it would have been strictly anti-town to spread information like that. Regardless I want to lynch rayn today and you still don't even have negative points. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I made my posts tgat were mostly observations and noted the weird things that happened later. but tell me how do you be co.atructive in those times eh? The best you can do is say i need to reread and not pick a side at the time... ya know instead of sheeping a case someone makes with their first post | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On August 23 2014 22:54 KelsierSC wrote: This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous. 1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish. 2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed. 3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy. 4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon. 5 This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town. 1) Actually wrong reads (especially very early, initial reads) come more often from town. As scum you have perfect information so it's easy to make your reads somewhat believable. I always craft my reads carefully as scum to be as believable and focused as possible. So I don't really see your point here even if you're somehow right about everything and I'm wrong about everything (no way). The Damdred vote was just something to start the day with, nothing that serious. Btw my notes were my real-time thoughts as I read the thread and nothing like a case or anything. Hard to be immediately 100% sure early on as you read stuff. 2) False. I never called rayn town or even "maybe town". At best null. What you're exaggerating is when I said that "I could see the town motivation behind making that stunt". That's not even any longer the case since clearly there was none - he immediately abandoned the whole idea since my notes matched with my play and there was nothing to push me with. 3) Just stupid. Experienced scum players NEVER, I repeat NEVER do stuff like hard-defend each other and push stuff together. It's about the same as claiming Masons together. This is what gets newb scumteams killed. 4) Go read Arnie Got a Gun Mafia if you think fluff posts indicate scum Xatalos. 5) +2 towny is already somewhat town. And if the argument is good, it's not like I have to 100% townread the one who presented it. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On August 23 2014 23:07 Damdred wrote: You weren't constructive at all during that point in the thread AT ALL. Nobodt was the thread devolved into he's mafia because i said so. I made my posts tgat were mostly observations and noted the weird things that happened later. but tell me how do you be co.atructive in those times eh? The best you can do is say i need to reread and not pick a side at the time... ya know instead of sheeping a case someone makes with their first post Hm. Well what do you think right now? | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On August 23 2014 22:47 GlowingBear wrote: Why do you come to the thread, say you're good at reading Rayn and how to read Rayn, then convientely finds something on him AFTER coming up on how Rayn acts, and completely ignores the rest if the thread? Im not ignoreing the rest of the thread. I just havent read before page 50. I saw on page 51 something that struck me off as scummy for rayn. Said I could read him to xata. Read his filter found more off to me, called him scum and voted him. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote: Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO. Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote: Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town. turtlevine said that they are both confirmed town to each other. | ||
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