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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 23 2014 12:17 GMT
#1101
On August 23 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I AM FUCKING MAKING EVERYONE IN THIS GAME TO VOTE FOR ME OR HAPAHAULI! BECAUSE HAPA IS MAFIA!
get rekt son.




##:VOTE: Raynpelikoneet
Try TL Mafia!!!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 23 2014 12:18 GMT
#1102
On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote.


It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy


Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me.


Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real.

Zerg for Life
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 23 2014 12:23 GMT
#1103
On August 23 2014 21:17 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I AM FUCKING MAKING EVERYONE IN THIS GAME TO VOTE FOR ME OR HAPAHAULI! BECAUSE HAPA IS MAFIA!
get rekt son.




##:VOTE: Raynpelikoneet


Please, explain.
I'm adorable.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
August 23 2014 12:44 GMT
#1104
On August 23 2014 09:02 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 08:45 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 23 2014 08:44 Xatalos wrote:
rayn&Hapa, care to answer to my posts?


What post? The one about me doing stupid stuff as mafia in other games? I'd rather this discussion not go too far off the rails now.


I guess that's fair. Hmmm. Well I guess neither of you can be SK at least. "Reckless" is the last word I would associate with SK play. I'm starting to think it could even be possible for both of you to be town.

On August 23 2014 20:51 Xatalos wrote:
Not to mention that an SK exists in the game as well... Scum claiming Masons would just beg to be killed by SK. No way really.

You are talking an awful lot about this and I don't really see why a townie would do that. The things with the masons for example didn't even occur to me.
You are very active and all but almost every post you make I completely disagree with.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 12:44 GMT
#1105
On August 23 2014 21:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 21:17 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I AM FUCKING MAKING EVERYONE IN THIS GAME TO VOTE FOR ME OR HAPAHAULI! BECAUSE HAPA IS MAFIA!
get rekt son.




##:VOTE: Raynpelikoneet


Please, explain.


On August 23 2014 21:01 Onegu wrote:
Yeah rayn Im reading you scum this game buddy, here is why. Normally you will be like scum rayn doesnt do this, scum rayn never does that. This game you are posting specific reasons to read you. I saw it on page 51 that I just pointed out and page 2 of your filter.



On August 23 2014 21:03 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 20:54 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:52 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:48 Xatalos wrote:
How do you read rayn btw? My heuristics for reading him are a bit... lacking.



He has to believe what he is writeing, if you ever get the feeling he is off on something he is prolly mafia. I have correctly read him in every game I've played with him. He pushes things and goes on random tangents as both alignments, he can be right and wrong but you have to look for belief in his passion. Its there if you see it.


I get the feeling he believes in how he's pushing Hapa. But I didn't get that feeling when he was pushing Damdred :/



Thats the thing town Rayn believes everything he writes you can follow it, hes pasionate about it you can feel it from his posts all of them.

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 12:45 GMT
#1106
On August 23 2014 21:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 09:02 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 08:45 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 23 2014 08:44 Xatalos wrote:
rayn&Hapa, care to answer to my posts?


What post? The one about me doing stupid stuff as mafia in other games? I'd rather this discussion not go too far off the rails now.


I guess that's fair. Hmmm. Well I guess neither of you can be SK at least. "Reckless" is the last word I would associate with SK play. I'm starting to think it could even be possible for both of you to be town.

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 20:51 Xatalos wrote:
Not to mention that an SK exists in the game as well... Scum claiming Masons would just beg to be killed by SK. No way really.

You are talking an awful lot about this and I don't really see why a townie would do that. The things with the masons for example didn't even occur to me.
You are very active and all but almost every post you make I completely disagree with.


I was specifically answering a question.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 12:45 GMT
#1107
And what do you disagree with specifically?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 12:47 GMT
#1108
On August 23 2014 21:18 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote.


It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy


Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me.


Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real.



With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 23 2014 12:50 GMT
#1109
lol Onegu.
table for two on a tv tray
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
August 23 2014 12:51 GMT
#1110
On August 23 2014 09:15 Xatalos wrote:
Well I guess you could say to that "they'd only do this as scum" but it's kind of like scum claiming Masons. Just doesn't feel realistic. Which makes the more likely option of you being scum (although Hapa kind of backed off from scumreading you).

This is bullshit. The conclusion you get makes no sense. What if they are just wrong?
On August 23 2014 09:27 Xatalos wrote:
I really just don't think useless yamato is scum yamato. Like look at this:

http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1785&pid=119817#pid119817

He's basically lynching someone because he just dislikes him. (he also said geript was scum but the stronger motive was clearly just to kill him)

And he also goes AFK for long periods of time and gets scumread by pretty much everyone but me and rayn. Still there's clearly at least some effort to do something. Unlike in the PYP game. And like in this game.

So fucking what? I am getting tired of you defending yamato. If yamato is town he will do shit on his own and if he keeps being a useless fuck we kill him.
On August 23 2014 19:31 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 01:21 turtlevine wrote:
On August 22 2014 11:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Talk to me. I want people to talk to me. Talk to me now. Now.


based on this guy's attempts to pow-wow
and ideas I can't share right now
if he's scum I'd be shocked
to him I will talked
and we'll be upon this game's prow.

On August 22 2014 11:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Rayn would 100% wait up for his role and if he were town he would have posted. Hell, he might have even just stayed up and played the game. He does it all the time as town. He always finds a reason to pussy out and not post when he's mafia


I don't believe this heuristic
is town rayn always a dick?
The answer is "no"
so it just goes to show
don't listen to IAmRobik

On August 22 2014 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like sadly KSC is in for a very rude awakening if he thinks useless/non-tryhard people are scum on this forum.


WOS is correct on this front
your typical town player's a c***,
but with effort so clean,
KSC's surely green,
so if you think he's scum go get bent.

Though I must add onto this point
this post does not to WoS annoint
he's wasted some posts
on flames spam and boasts
not what I'd expect from a vet.

On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 22 2014 12:10 Damdred wrote:
@Gb you said most likely to be mafia out of those posted talk to me why its him


(1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1.


Although I can see what you say
lynching KSC's the wrong play
the only good point here's 2,
and although that one's true,
his aggression and town passes are not astray

The basic mistake of a townie at first
is to put in way too much efforts
and if his ideas are crap
that's not the right strat
scum idea isn't so stupid it hurts


On August 22 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
is this game gluten free?


Is this some kind of new crumb
or am I just being dumb?
i know not the memes
of tl mafia it seems
and I wouldn't want to miss out on the fun.

On August 22 2014 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
turtlevine which continent are you from?


Though it compromises my identity to say,
I'll share: I'm from the US of A
I'd rather stay cloaked
in the mystery evoked
by my smurf and my nice turns of phrase


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=11#210

Looking at Xat's odd numbered list list,
I'm starting to feel kind of pissed,
it's classic list post,
unhelpful at most,
made without a clear focused scum jist.

he starts with a question at dam,
and then there's an apology to him,
that vote post is bad,
though it makes my heart glad,
I think I've finally found scum.



So far I'm up to page twelve
it seems I'm moderately whelmed
I'll continue these thoughts
after I've finished a walk,
and deeper into thread I will delve!

##vote xatalos


Well he did think I'm scum for the listpost/vote so...... >.> But maybe he's good at using meta or something?

Are you trying to look dumb on purpose? This post makes no sense at all/is completely useless. Rayn seems to think turtle is a good player. Maybe he is right maybe he isn't - end of the story.
On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote.

How could you not notice it? The post in question had giant red letters in it. It was probably the most noticable post in the game at that point.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
August 23 2014 12:53 GMT
#1111
On August 23 2014 09:39 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa seemed relatively genuine in his posting. I don't know who I want to lynch right now. Lynching rayn is attractive but also a waste of the day at this point.

I want to revisit my read on wave later when I have time to sit at my computer

I am still waiting for this. If the short post about WoS was it I am not amused.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 12:54 GMT
#1112
On August 23 2014 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
So I wasn't here for the mafia tools stunt, it doesn't clear you for me. In fact it feeds into my scum read of you.

I'm going to give my reasons here.

1) The initial list was just bad, you had some weird reads on rayn for being asleep and you had WoS as top town. It just didn't line up for me.

2) you voted and kind of went on dam when I read him town, you then unvoted him but now think he is mafia again.

3) You then went about "finding" who to lynch and you put a town list of me and 2 basically confirmed, everyone else was a maybe. Like you gave no real reads and just seemed wishy washy

4) Your mafia notes confirmed this. Everyone has a score close to 0. Everyone could be scum or not sure if town like there is nothing of value at all. you have GB at an 8, good the confirmed town is probably town.

5) The pressure is on you and you jump onto this rayn is mafia thing that Hapu brought up even though he has lurked and done nothing.

So TLDR
Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.

##Vote Xatalos


1) Bad != scummy. Besides it wasn't all bad, there were just a couple of questionable arguments in there since it was composed of my natural immediate thoughts instead of carefully considering what to post.

2) This is just false.

3) As scum I ALWAYS find something to push and push it neatly to emulate optimal townie behaviour (often it's even on actual scum to distance myself). Me being uncertain makes me town if anything.

4) See above.

5) Hapa just arriving to the thread doesn't mean he's suspicious. In fact I think he's very town for analysing me 100% correctly + I think he's probably correct on rayn as well. Each of his posts has been constructive and brought more original information to the thread. Why is he suspicious / useless again?


^
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 23 2014 12:57 GMT
#1113
Hapahauli
Xatalos
idk yet

table for two on a tv tray
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 23 2014 12:58 GMT
#1114
On August 23 2014 21:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 21:17 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I AM FUCKING MAKING EVERYONE IN THIS GAME TO VOTE FOR ME OR HAPAHAULI! BECAUSE HAPA IS MAFIA!
get rekt son.




##:VOTE: Raynpelikoneet


Please, explain.



I did explain.


Try TL Mafia!!!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:00 GMT
#1115
On August 23 2014 21:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 09:15 Xatalos wrote:
Well I guess you could say to that "they'd only do this as scum" but it's kind of like scum claiming Masons. Just doesn't feel realistic. Which makes the more likely option of you being scum (although Hapa kind of backed off from scumreading you).

This is bullshit. The conclusion you get makes no sense. What if they are just wrong?
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 09:27 Xatalos wrote:
I really just don't think useless yamato is scum yamato. Like look at this:

http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1785&pid=119817#pid119817

He's basically lynching someone because he just dislikes him. (he also said geript was scum but the stronger motive was clearly just to kill him)

And he also goes AFK for long periods of time and gets scumread by pretty much everyone but me and rayn. Still there's clearly at least some effort to do something. Unlike in the PYP game. And like in this game.

So fucking what? I am getting tired of you defending yamato. If yamato is town he will do shit on his own and if he keeps being a useless fuck we kill him.
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 19:31 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 01:21 turtlevine wrote:
On August 22 2014 11:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Talk to me. I want people to talk to me. Talk to me now. Now.


based on this guy's attempts to pow-wow
and ideas I can't share right now
if he's scum I'd be shocked
to him I will talked
and we'll be upon this game's prow.

On August 22 2014 11:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Rayn would 100% wait up for his role and if he were town he would have posted. Hell, he might have even just stayed up and played the game. He does it all the time as town. He always finds a reason to pussy out and not post when he's mafia


I don't believe this heuristic
is town rayn always a dick?
The answer is "no"
so it just goes to show
don't listen to IAmRobik

On August 22 2014 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like sadly KSC is in for a very rude awakening if he thinks useless/non-tryhard people are scum on this forum.


WOS is correct on this front
your typical town player's a c***,
but with effort so clean,
KSC's surely green,
so if you think he's scum go get bent.

Though I must add onto this point
this post does not to WoS annoint
he's wasted some posts
on flames spam and boasts
not what I'd expect from a vet.

On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 22 2014 12:10 Damdred wrote:
@Gb you said most likely to be mafia out of those posted talk to me why its him


(1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1.


Although I can see what you say
lynching KSC's the wrong play
the only good point here's 2,
and although that one's true,
his aggression and town passes are not astray

The basic mistake of a townie at first
is to put in way too much efforts
and if his ideas are crap
that's not the right strat
scum idea isn't so stupid it hurts


On August 22 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
is this game gluten free?


Is this some kind of new crumb
or am I just being dumb?
i know not the memes
of tl mafia it seems
and I wouldn't want to miss out on the fun.

On August 22 2014 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
turtlevine which continent are you from?


Though it compromises my identity to say,
I'll share: I'm from the US of A
I'd rather stay cloaked
in the mystery evoked
by my smurf and my nice turns of phrase


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=11#210

Looking at Xat's odd numbered list list,
I'm starting to feel kind of pissed,
it's classic list post,
unhelpful at most,
made without a clear focused scum jist.

he starts with a question at dam,
and then there's an apology to him,
that vote post is bad,
though it makes my heart glad,
I think I've finally found scum.



So far I'm up to page twelve
it seems I'm moderately whelmed
I'll continue these thoughts
after I've finished a walk,
and deeper into thread I will delve!

##vote xatalos


Well he did think I'm scum for the listpost/vote so...... >.> But maybe he's good at using meta or something?

Are you trying to look dumb on purpose? This post makes no sense at all/is completely useless. Rayn seems to think turtle is a good player. Maybe he is right maybe he isn't - end of the story.
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote.

How could you not notice it? The post in question had giant red letters in it. It was probably the most noticable post in the game at that point.


1) Since yamato claimed that he's very good at reading rayn and apparently Hapa is as well, it'd feel weird if all 3 were town and scumreading each other left and right. (well Hapa backed off later on though) And now we also have Onegu who claims to be rayn reader extraordinaire and scumreads him... Yeah. I doubt all 4 are town and rayn is certainly the most likely scum out of them. You disagree? Why?

2) You don't even disagree with anything, you're just bored.

3) Maybe it's useless but you don't again even disagree. Not that there is anything to disagree with lol

4) I already answered KSC's case.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 23 2014 13:01 GMT
#1116
This is actually a heuristic that never fails:

Swag is probably mafia because he wants to talk about SK and mafia wants to hunt for third parties as it's genuine "scumhunting". Or was it jepg. Anyways the dude who was sk-hunting earlier.


jepg has been night killed. He was Tara Reid's Grown Ass Son Who Flies Helicopters Into Tornadoes Filled With Sharks With Bombs Cause LOL, Mafia Night 2 Vigilante.

I am pretty sure Xatalos is scum because of it.
Now let me find the third one.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:02 GMT
#1117
On August 23 2014 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapahauli
Xatalos
idk yet



You're either scum or regressed in your play significantly. You could always read me properly by the end of D1 as town. You even claimed that you would play your best this game so I really doubt you're just being bad.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 23 2014 13:03 GMT
#1118
Fuck it it is just Onegu because he is scumreading me when i am town.
game solved.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 23 2014 13:05 GMT
#1119
It's even worse that you're scumreading me based on a single pretty much one-liner post when you set up your "ultimate plan" of reading me earlier and never used it really. You found me towny based on that and then discarded it?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
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August 23 2014 13:06 GMT
#1120
On August 22 2014 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Two things:

First. If i am town and awake i do post. If i am mafia and awake i do post. If i am town and asleep i can't post. If i am mafia and asleep i can't post. I have never in my life intentionally lurked as mafia (i do that as town though for reasons) except for in Noir when Mocsta fakeclaimed medic as town to get the real medic lynched and i was having in scum QT with Pandain.
You should know that.

Second. I have a tendency to not explain my reads fully because i want to encourage other people to think and find the reasons by themsleves. Because it helps me getting a better read on them and that's how i play - and have always played.
You should know that.

So yes, your first post had absolutely no thought behind it, even though you SHOULD know these things and pay more attention to what i say and try to figure out why i say the stuff i do. You didn't, and that makes me think you are mafia.



On August 23 2014 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, i know my posts appear as bad or scummy sometimes because i do not explain myself. That is NOT scummy. All the good players do know that because they look behind the actual words - they look at the meaning of the words. Why people say the stuff they do. I ALWAYS have an agenda for the stuff i say whether or not i explain it.

Hapa is one of the few players who is REALLY good in reading into this. He just cannot do that as mafia because idk why, he just can't. Probably because he hates being mafia. In this game he is clearly showing he is not thinking about the game and those things - even though i have, in THIS GAME, said this is EXACTLY how i play. Even if it was not clear to him before this game THIS GAME SHOULD PROVE i am telling the truth.

He is not figuring out stuff how he would as town. I do not know how to explain it better as i am bad at explaining shit.
I however promised to play my best game this game and as my alignment is town you should kill Hapa with fire because he is mafia. I will tell who the rest of the mafia team is on N1. Now we lynch Hapahauli.



These are the 2 posts I am talking about. A town rayn is going to yell at you and tell you how stupid you are because "scum rayn never does this" Scum rayn will never do that"
Try TL Mafia!!!
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