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evilfatsh1t
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Incognoto
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Necro)Phagist(
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On August 04 2014 23:00 JustPassingBy wrote: It's kind of sad how weak Sanji is compared to Luffy or Zoro after the time skip. While I do think there is a gap between them now, I don't think it's as large as it seems right now. We really haven't seen Sanji have the chance to do anything. He had to 'lose' to Vergo to show off how strong he was and the power of his haki etc. Then he fought Mingo who he ws obviously going to lose too. I expect him to seriously kick some ass on Big Mom's ship and prove the gap in power isn't as big as it seems right now. Really there should be a difference in power between him and Zoro/Lufffy. Zoro is clearly the vice captain and with the goal of being the best swordsman in the world he should be the second strongest and Luffy should be the strongest for obvious reasons. Sanji of couse still deserves to be in the Monster Trio and be insanely strong but the other two should be a slight step ahead of him at least IMO. | ||
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Incognoto
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So yeah, Sanji is going to shut up all the haters and take back his spot amongst the monster trio. | ||
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Forikorder
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On August 04 2014 19:05 Warri wrote: Im pretty sure vergo won that fight, because it's clearly implied in both the manga and anime that he at least cracked sanji's bone. They never get back to that and sanji doesnt show any sign of it when fighting dofla so i dont know why oda put that in to begin with, though. id say its a tie they both walked away just fine, you could give a very slight advantage to Vergo but overall they seemed evenly matched | ||
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Mensol
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im pretty sure that Vergo can figt toe to toe with Luffy. | ||
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Forikorder
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On August 05 2014 01:10 Mensol wrote: Sanji is a chump compared to Vergo. im pretty sure that Vergo can figt toe to toe with Luffy. Vergo got owned by Law, and have every advantage against smoker but smoker still got Laws heart Vergo fought evenly with Sanji, "lost" to smoker, and only put a fight agaisnt Law because he had Laws heart | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
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On August 05 2014 01:12 Forikorder wrote: Vergo got owned by Law, and have every advantage against smoker but smoker still got Laws heart Vergo fought evenly with Sanji, "lost" to smoker, and only put a fight agaisnt Law because he had Laws heart While I agree Vergo got owned hard by Law when they could fight on even terms(Law had his heart back). I didn't see the Sanji fight as being even, to me both in the anime and in the manga it was made clear that Vergo's haki was much stronger and it was hurt Sanji just trying to kick and block Vergo's attacks. | ||
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Mensol
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On August 05 2014 01:12 Forikorder wrote: Vergo got owned by Law, and have every advantage against smoker but smoker still got Laws heart Vergo fought evenly with Sanji, "lost" to smoker, and only put a fight agaisnt Law because he had Laws heart I suggest you to watch episodes again, Vergo is much stronger than both Sanji and Smoker. Vergo wasnt even fought seriously with both Sanji and Smoker but he looked much stronger, imagine him in his full haki form agains them. | ||
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Incognoto
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I hate this thread when it's going calling Sanji weak. I'd like to see any of you take out just one of the guys Sanji did. | ||
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Forikorder
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Lylat
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And he wasn't serious vs Sanji since he only transformed against Law, but I don't think Sanji was at 100% neither so it's hard to judge | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
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On August 05 2014 02:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Yea Smoker was absolutely getting demolished by Vergo. If he wasn't he wouldn't have giving himself up to get Law's heart back like he did. I remember Smoker keep kicking Luffy ass time and again, pre-timeskip. And he actually lose to Vergo . Of course I tink it is done in a way to show how powerful Law is  , defeating a very strong opponent Smoker and Sanji have problem with. Then have law lose to Doflamingo to show how powerful he is ? And the short confrontation with the Ice Admiral too . . ex admiral.Then , now lets see how Luffy defeat such a strong opponent . I hope he do it by himself without any help. ! | ||
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goody153
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On August 05 2014 01:10 Mensol wrote: Sanji is a chump compared to Vergo. im pretty sure that Vergo can figt toe to toe with Luffy. Ugh no ... he won't last going toe to toe vs Zoro/Luffy Sanji is strong no doubt. He didn't look good vs Vergo sure but it would probably be because Vergo outclassed him in the armament haki department. Maybe vergo is not the right opponent for sanji. You know like Enel vs everyone pre-TS pre-newworld. Or Perona vs anyone that is not usopp in luffy's crew. Just a hard counter. Since if i am right Sanji is the fastest right ? i think he was more focused on speed than anyone else. I don't think vergo can beat everyone in the same caliber as sanji just because he overpowered sanji once. I think in order to beat vergo you need to have a more powerful armament haki than him if you don't have DF advantage like law did. Zoro seemed to be the one with the most powerful armament haki in the group if i remembered what Oda said once in his SBS was right. And well luffy is luffy. Obviously he is insanely strong in close quarter combat and can go blow for blow with the mightiest. I have a feeling that if sanji goes full 1v1 with Vergo. He should win. Maybe barely but he should. On August 05 2014 02:15 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I remember Smoker keep kicking Luffy ass time and again, pre-timeskip. And he actually lose to Vergo . Of course I tink it is done in a way to show how powerful Law is , defeating a very strong opponent Smoker and Sanji have problem with. Then have law lose to Doflamingo to show how powerful he is ? And the short confrontation with the Ice Admiral too . . ex admiral.Then , now lets see how Luffy defeat such a strong opponent . I hope he do it by himself without any help. ! I was actually hoping that luffy wouldn't beat him alone but rather with a help. It feels like too ordinary like other shounen where the MC just beats everyone. Doesn't matter how strong they are. Sure luffy beat almost everyone up until now but still we seen from time to time that there are enemies luffy can never defeat at a certain time period. I'd like the idea of one piece not being dominated by MC. | ||
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Forikorder
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On August 05 2014 02:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Yea Smoker was absolutely getting demolished by Vergo. If he wasn't he wouldn't have giving himself up to get Law's heart back like he did. smoker wasnt fighting seriously which is why he kept going smoke form, he was only trying to get Laws heart back | ||
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Mensol
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On August 05 2014 05:30 Forikorder wrote: smoker wasnt fighting seriously which is why he kept going smoke form, he was only trying to get Laws heart back Sounds about right. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
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On August 05 2014 05:30 Forikorder wrote: smoker wasnt fighting seriously which is why he kept going smoke form, he was only trying to get Laws heart back Yea, Smoker who was absolutely furious about Vergo betraying the navy and backstabbing his men wasn't at all serious when the fight started....... He only resorted to getting Law's heart back when he realized he had absolutely no chance of beating Vergo what so ever. He was getting beaten and Vergo was the one who wasn't even fighting seriously. | ||
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