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On June 24 2014 09:19 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 09:16 Lazermonkey wrote: SlOosh read Koshi's filter early on. He didn't do shit. He did shit now. It wasn't very good but it was something. I find it super hard to believe that a full 2 cycles worth of suspicion can so easily be suspended by those two posts you quoted. Actually, even if I we imagine that your version is correct, why is this scummy?
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D2, when he was super busy, the time he had he chose to pursue Koshi.
It is clear from his filter that nothing from N2 or D3 has impressed him thus far. However, when a VE wagon arises, Lazermonkey suddenly starts having qualms about lynching Koshi. When pressed for reasoning, he first refuses to quote the posts. When pressed again, he links them without explaining why. Furthermore it looks like he just grabbed random quotes from Koshi's filter, and really I don't see how it could possibly be enough to be like, "oh that Koshi read I've had for a super long time and I've wanted him dead for a super long time? Yea, nah I don't wanna vote him"
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MY suspicion originates from this:
On June 24 2014 09:14 Release wrote: VE, for fun's sake. Explain one more time your reason for voting YKZ at the end of D2.
This is your latest respones
On June 24 2014 05:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 05:21 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 24 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 24 2014 05:15 YouKnowZhou wrote: I still have one tool left with which to lynch you, VE, should it come down to that. I will read on lazermo and you shall have my read. I do not anticipate being swayed to vote him over you, especially since this case appeared only when you were on mortal danger. In the end, though, I'll have my say and I'll do my best to be right. I'll remind you that one of us lynched mderg yesterday and the other is you. You say that, but I made a case on him and repeatedly stated that I was fine with him being lynched. I don't care how many times you say that I wasn't a factor in his lynch because my vote was on someone else, the facts and my posts speak for themselves. You made a case on him, said you were fine with him being lynched, then you didn't push him or vote him, and voted for his counterwagon even after your stated reason for voting the counterwagon went away. I know I overuse the phrase, but that's pretty much classic scum play. You voted mderg day 1, then day 2 you didn't vote him and made noises about how he was scum, but didn't follow it up, voted someone else, and day 2 was the day that mattered. And I stated my reasoning for voting for you when I did - that slOosh and Release had voted for you and Koshi and Snickers had voted for mderg and I felt better about slOosh and Release than I did about Koshi and Snickers. That's my reasoning. You can pull out all the quotes and vote-timings and everything that you want, but that's my reasoning and that's why I voted. I don't care if you think it doesn't make sense, it's factual and real and true. You repeatedly stating that it's NOT true and NOT real and NOT factual is wrong and bad. WRONG and BAD BH. That was your initial reasoning. Then you flamed some on BH for his godly mafia claims, and said that was your reason. Then you said it was SloOsh and me again, but at that moment I had already switched to Mderg. Then you claim it was only at the initial moment. IF you were literally sheeping me and sloOsh, you would have responded to my change with something more than, 'he did it earlier.' That is what sounds like justification, which makes you suspicious.
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On June 24 2014 09:27 slOosh wrote: D2, when he was super busy, the time he had he chose to pursue Koshi.
It is clear from his filter that nothing from N2 or D3 has impressed him thus far. However, when a VE wagon arises, Lazermonkey suddenly starts having qualms about lynching Koshi. When pressed for reasoning, he first refuses to quote the posts. When pressed again, he links them without explaining why. Furthermore it looks like he just grabbed random quotes from Koshi's filter, and really I don't see how it could possibly be enough to be like, "oh that Koshi read I've had for a super long time and I've wanted him dead for a super long time? Yea, nah I don't wanna vote him" YEP THAT IS EXACTLY NOT WHAT I SAID BUT OKAY.
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On June 24 2014 09:27 slOosh wrote: D2, when he was super busy, the time he had he chose to pursue Koshi.
It is clear from his filter that nothing from N2 or D3 has impressed him thus far. However, when a VE wagon arises, Lazermonkey suddenly starts having qualms about lynching Koshi. When pressed for reasoning, he first refuses to quote the posts. When pressed again, he links them without explaining why. Furthermore it looks like he just grabbed random quotes from Koshi's filter, and really I don't see how it could possibly be enough to be like, "oh that Koshi read I've had for a super long time and I've wanted him dead for a super long time? Yea, nah I don't wanna vote him" But he lynched me anyway?? What are you saying? I was dead. Overtime saved me.
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KOSHI IS NOT MAFIA.
believe it.
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It's not justification, that's just the way it is - you voted for mderg earlier on and that's what I'd read and that's what I based my vote on - along with my own reasoning for thinking BH was suspcious and being affirmed by slOosh, seeing your post made me comfortable voting for BH. That you switched DID make me consider switching to mderg, but the way BH was playing, voting for mderg but really trying to put suspcion on me, made me think that maybe mderg was really a mislynch (because I was suspcious of BH also) so ultimately I ended up not switching.
Like, that's the reason man, it's not justification, that's just the truth. What don't you like about it?
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Exactly what YKZ mentioned in his case: X caused you to vote. X changed. Your vote didn't and you didn't respond to X's change.
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On June 21 2014 08:59 YouKnowZhou wrote: I wish we had like a few more mitnues so we could get a VE swap going. the wagons are too close to do it now. VE is my top scum read going in to tomorrow if mderg flips town.
he doesn't make sense. his timing is off. and his explanation for voting me over mderg clearly doesn't hold up Like BH even tries to switch off mderg onto me man, I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
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On June 24 2014 09:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 09:27 slOosh wrote: D2, when he was super busy, the time he had he chose to pursue Koshi.
It is clear from his filter that nothing from N2 or D3 has impressed him thus far. However, when a VE wagon arises, Lazermonkey suddenly starts having qualms about lynching Koshi. When pressed for reasoning, he first refuses to quote the posts. When pressed again, he links them without explaining why. Furthermore it looks like he just grabbed random quotes from Koshi's filter, and really I don't see how it could possibly be enough to be like, "oh that Koshi read I've had for a super long time and I've wanted him dead for a super long time? Yea, nah I don't wanna vote him" But he lynched me anyway?? What are you saying? I was dead. Overtime saved me. What? What are you saying? Lazermonkey has his vote on VisceraEyes.
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On June 24 2014 09:33 Release wrote: Exactly what YKZ mentioned in his case: X caused you to vote. X changed. Your vote didn't and you didn't respond to X's change. I just explained why I didn't respond to you changing your vote - because it was onto BH's target, and someone I was afraid was a mislynch based on how things were going. I was still fine with the lynch but I wanted BH lynched more. Do you not see this as a feasible townie mentality? If not then I can't help you because that was my mindset and I'm town.
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On June 24 2014 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:59 YouKnowZhou wrote: I wish we had like a few more mitnues so we could get a VE swap going. the wagons are too close to do it now. VE is my top scum read going in to tomorrow if mderg flips town.
he doesn't make sense. his timing is off. and his explanation for voting me over mderg clearly doesn't hold up Like BH even tries to switch off mderg onto me man, I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
Um not true.
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So after a very small sample size of games (3) I don't really think I can draw any huge conclusions about VE meta. He was misslynched after being replaced as town in cell mafia and he seems to have been abit more helpfull. But circumstances are so completely different between those two games.
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I dunno. Kill VE or kill Koshi? Hard game.
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I'll leave the vote on Koshi I think. I really think scum VE would not play this way. Its just too suicidal.
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On June 24 2014 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:59 YouKnowZhou wrote: I wish we had like a few more mitnues so we could get a VE swap going. the wagons are too close to do it now. VE is my top scum read going in to tomorrow if mderg flips town.
he doesn't make sense. his timing is off. and his explanation for voting me over mderg clearly doesn't hold up Like BH even tries to switch off mderg onto me man, I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
This is literally a lie. I am trying to get not-me lynched, but I specify (can't find the post right now) that VE is my least favorite non-me wagon. Then, VE does his return to the thread stuff and I realize he's scum-- you'll notice a lot of the evidence in my case has appeared by this point. I point this out, but it's too late to swap, so I am going for him after mderg, which I am.
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Please consider lynching BH when I flip town. PLEASE. He's playing a super manipulative game, and given the circumstances, I think it makes him scum. He has no reason to be manipulative with things going his way as they have been lately - he's playing manipulative for a reason - to push an agenda. PLEASE consider him tomorrow.
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VisceraEyes (5): Snickers, Koshi, Release, Chezinu, YouKnowZhou - Unvotes (1): Lazermonkey Koshi (3): Artanis[Xp], Lazermonkey, VisceraEyes - Unvotes (2): YouKnowZhou, slOosh Lazermonkey (1): slOosh - Unvotes (4): Koshi, Release, Chezinu, VisceraEyes YouKnowZhou (0) - Unvotes (2): VisceraEyes, slOosh
VE is to be lynched with 5 votes in 5 minutes.
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