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Also jabber: why did you switch from liking Cat's posts to being on the fence with him.
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On June 23 2014 10:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Also jabber: why did you switch from liking Cat's posts to being on the fence with him.
Not to change the subject, but:
On June 23 2014 10:30 The_Templar wrote:Also, Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:22 GlowingBear wrote:On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts. That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here. Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you. Your reads are sort of weak actually. Your main analysis post is full of null reads and not particularly informative (except MysteryMeat, Tolkien, and Nydus). Also: Show nested quote +Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now.
Show nested quote +1) I'm also on the fence for Lord_Tolkien. As I said on my reads, i don't like his Lynch all Lurkers policy, it sounds scummy for me. But I couldn't see anything else on him. You're on the fence about him being extremely scummy? Yeah ok
GlowingBear did something similar to you.
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On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming  But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.
Cats, curious for your opinion.
Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?
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On June 23 2014 10:42 The_Templar wrote:
GlowingBear did something similar to you.
Yep. Interesting.
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On June 23 2014 10:30 The_Templar wrote:Also, Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:22 GlowingBear wrote:On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts. That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here. Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you. Your reads are sort of weak actually. Your main analysis post is full of null reads and not particularly informative (except MysteryMeat, Tolkien, and Nydus). Also: Show nested quote +Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now.
Show nested quote +1) I'm also on the fence for Lord_Tolkien. As I said on my reads, i don't like his Lynch all Lurkers policy, it sounds scummy for me. But I couldn't see anything else on him. You're on the fence about him being extremely scummy? Yeah ok
Beer may have slaughtered my brain.
Anyway, as Tolkien cited the guide article, that makes a weaker scum reading. Have in mind I'm new and I'm using solely my impressions.
If you think my reads are weak, that's fine. If its full of null reads, that's because I can't make an impression of what has been told ATM. I only vote for people who impress me, and I made clear it was meatpudding and Cats.
(Btw, if I'm being rude at any point, I'm sorry. As I said before, English is my second language and by no means I wish to offend)
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Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway.
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On June 23 2014 10:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:30 The_Templar wrote:Also, On June 23 2014 10:22 GlowingBear wrote:On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts. That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here. Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you. Your reads are sort of weak actually. Your main analysis post is full of null reads and not particularly informative (except MysteryMeat, Tolkien, and Nydus). Also: Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now.
1) I'm also on the fence for Lord_Tolkien. As I said on my reads, i don't like his Lynch all Lurkers policy, it sounds scummy for me. But I couldn't see anything else on him. You're on the fence about him being extremely scummy? Yeah ok Beer may have slaughtered my brain. Anyway, as Tolkien cited the guide article, that makes a weaker scum reading. Have in mind I'm new and I'm using solely my impressions. If you think my reads are weak, that's fine. If its full of null reads, that's because I can't make an impression of what has been told ATM. I only vote for people who impress me, and I made clear it was meatpudding and Cats. (Btw, if I'm being rude at any point, I'm sorry. As I said before, English is my second language and by no means I wish to offend)
Yeah, it's fine, I'm just noting that your reads aren't really decisive at all.
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On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway.
I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign
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On June 23 2014 10:26 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
whats OMGUSing?
Do you have any actual defence against the points against you or are you happy just trying to jokingly brush it off and discredit me?
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Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...
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On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...
Clearly he isn't town.
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On June 23 2014 10:40 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:35 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I'll be honest, it's making me uncomfortable that they are the only two options according to you. Yes, they both have good cases against them IMO, I just don't like that you said that. The general advice I've gotten is that town should generally aim to consolidate voting onto a few bandwagons. Having votes everywhere gives mafia the power of a unified voting block. The more disparate the voting, the easier it is for mafia to hide their influence on the actual votes. If everyone consolidates, they have nowhere to hide.Vote for who you think is the most scummy, but who else is an option besides the meats for you? While I very much dislike jabber's schizophrenic opinions, voting for jabber gets us nothing, in my opinion, at this stage. meatpudding gives us insight onto the people who started the vote and push onto him, and I would say taht MysteryMeats' lynch will give you insight as to Cats' (and my own). If you can compile a case, do it already: we're running out of time.
Yes but I am concerned about the slim chance that we are consolidating on two individuals that would strengthen the scum position. Again, this might be a long shot, and it's pretty clear that one of the meats is going to go, but I at least wanted to say it before the night was over.
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MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible.
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On June 23 2014 10:43 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. Cats, curious for your opinion. Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?
It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.
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On June 23 2014 11:02 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:43 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. Cats, curious for your opinion. Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town? It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.
That's pretty much what I thought.
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Vote Count – Day 1
scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337
Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRH
TheKingOfTheCats (2): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1
meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear
HaruRH (1): meatpudding
jabberwockzerg (0): Hobbitus
MysteryMeat1 (4): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus
Not voting (3): Solar424, BlondeMocha, jabberwockzerg
Currently, meatpudding is set to be lynched with 4 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 1 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
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On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...
Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM
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Yeah I don't see MysteryMeat being town here.
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Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia)
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I would like to say that Cats, and tolkien who people think or thought were scummy are voting on me.
I'm vanilla town.
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