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Vote Count – Day 1
scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337
Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRH
TheKingOfTheCats (2): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1
meatpudding (3): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear
HaruRH (1): meatpudding
jabberwockzerg (0): Hobbitus
MysteryMeat1 (5): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar
Not voting (3): Solar424, BlondeMocha, jabberwockzerg
Currently, MysteryMeat1 is set to be lynched with 5 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 1 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
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Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other.
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i'll swithc my vote to meatpudding because i know im town.
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##VOTE: Meatpudding
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On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote:
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible.
I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me.
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Meat, meat, what about me?
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On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia)
Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?
Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy?
What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien?
Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy?
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Haruhi
On June 22 2014 00:36 HaruRH wrote:
Too early for scumtell in my opinion. Let everyone post first. I would like to hear an introduction from everyone :D
On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both.
On June 22 2014 13:31 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me. On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious). @Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point? Teemu is certainly instigating talks at this point, leading the town for discussion. However, I normally do not use d1 for scumreads since most have not posted/posted little. In fact, any filters less than 3 pages isn't worth checking out tbh. Tolkien's intentions may be pure, but its still too early to tell. I honestly don't see town need to lynch lurkers so that 'people can contribute more'. Feels like a cover up to lynch town, since there are usually more town lurkers.
In response to my vote where I quoted the second post above:
On June 23 2014 06:33 HaruRH wrote:
@Meatpudding
??? I did not mention not scumhunting on d1 in that quote. There you are again, pushing me without strong cases.
I simply don't understand what did you not understand from that post.
1) what was contradicted? Against what?
2) not too direct with?
3) how and why did you even vote based on that post when you can't even explain what you thought was scummy about it?
4) why are you even pushing on teemu/templar/me when you don't even have a case, much less a case that is weak?
@hobbitus
Simply because of how meatpudding have been handling out reads. A scumread from me.
With more context I can show you what I was thinking about you making scum reads or not. Aside from that I did not see you asking any questions that would lead to making some better reads. So I feel like you were making several posts without giving too much away yourself, and without pushing either. Maybe you have other ways of making reads without being so direct but it looked to me like you were trying to blend in without being active.
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i honeslty don't want to give a read on you.
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On June 23 2014 11:29 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i honeslty don't want to give a read on you.
now that's what I call scummy
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On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote:
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me.
Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are:
1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes
2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage
3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes
4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good
If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game
If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum
If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end
If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum
In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched
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at king, that was a formating error in the list.
Town:
Scott
Teemu
Nydus
Haruh (leaning)
epishade (fenced)
Mafia
Cats
Tolkien
(Templar, glowing, jabber)
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why is that scummy jabberwock? Like if i was town i wouldn't vote on hobbitus, if i was mafia i'd probably shoot her in the night
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thats the only read im goign to give on hobbitus
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On June 23 2014 11:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:29 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i honeslty don't want to give a read on you. now that's what I call scummy
I am baffled.
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On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other.
My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you.
I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions.
You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.
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i also don't see how i made a series of bad mistakes? The only thing people are calling me out on is that i failed to mention that tolkien didn't say the same thing as cats did but i pushed on cats.
If you were town, you would probably be wondering why i didn't call out tolkien. Either it was just a mistake, or you would say that if meat was scum it means he's not going to talk about his scum partner to distance
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On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat. ##Unvote
##Vote: meatpudding
EDIT: I would like to know why you don't want to give a read on Cats?
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me?
cause it hasn't changed.
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Vote Count – Day 1
scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337
Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRH
TheKingOfTheCats (1): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1
meatpudding (5): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_Templar
HaruRH (0): meatpudding
jabberwockzerg (0): Hobbitus
MysteryMeat1 (4): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar
Not voting (4): Solar424, BlondeMocha, jabberwockzerg, meatpudding
Currently, meatpudding is set to be lynched with 5 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 1 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
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On June 23 2014 11:29 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i honeslty don't want to give a read on you.
Please do, give as much detail as possible as to why you think i'm scum.
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