Newbie Mini Mafia LVI - Page 33

jabberwockzerg

United States294 Posts

June 23 2014 02:36 GMT

#641

On June 23 2014 11:32 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
why is that scummy jabberwock? Like if i was town i wouldn't vote on hobbitus, if i was mafia i'd probably shoot her in the night

what's your reason for not wanting to give a read>

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

June 23 2014 02:36 GMT

#642

On June 23 2014 11:36 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
me?

cause it hasn't changed.

You should have said that instead of saying that you didn't want to- that seemed very weird. :\

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

June 23 2014 02:38 GMT

#643

Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up).

TheKingOfTheCats

United Kingdom160 Posts

June 23 2014 02:38 GMT

#644

On June 23 2014 11:32 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
why is that scummy jabberwock? Like if i was town i wouldn't vote on hobbitus, if i was mafia i'd probably shoot her in the night

Why would you shoot Hobbitus in the night if you were scum?

MysteryMeat1

United States3291 Posts

June 23 2014 02:38 GMT

#645

[QUOTE]On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There really isn't much to say right now.

All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).

That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response.

Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.

[quote]
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
[/quote]
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.[/QUOTE]

Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop.[/quote]
It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm.

As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys.

for someone soo good at pointing out inconsitancy cats...

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

June 23 2014 02:38 GMT

#646

On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:
Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up).

edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now.

MysteryMeat1

United States3291 Posts

June 23 2014 02:38 GMT

#647

im not going to tell you why i would shoot her.... thats fucking dumb

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

June 23 2014 02:39 GMT

#648

On June 23 2014 11:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:

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On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:

On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:

On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There really isn't much to say right now.

All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).

That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response.

Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.

-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.

My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.

Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop.

It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm.

As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys.

for someone soo good at pointing out inconsitancy cats...

Those bolded parts are not inconsistent?

MysteryMeat1

United States3291 Posts

June 23 2014 02:39 GMT

#649

well i kind of hinted at why

TheKingOfTheCats

United Kingdom160 Posts

June 23 2014 02:39 GMT

#650

On June 23 2014 11:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
at king, that was a formating error in the list.

Town:
Scott
Teemu
Nydus
Haruh (leaning)
epishade (fenced)

Mafia
Cats
Tolkien
(Templar, glowing, jabber)

Ok, now please answer the other three.

On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

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~~Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?~~

Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy?

What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien?

Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy?

MysteryMeat1

United States3291 Posts

June 23 2014 02:40 GMT

#651

its inconsitant in the sense that he is trying to push scum on me for not reading everything. or posting everything. He got mad that i pushed on him when i didn't push on tolkien. And it was more of a sarcastic remark on not reading everything.

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

June 23 2014 02:40 GMT

#652

On June 23 2014 11:39 The_Templar wrote:

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On June 23 2014 11:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:

On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:

On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:

for someone soo good at pointing out inconsitancy cats...

Those bolded parts are not inconsistent?

EDIT: Was looking at the wrong bolded parts. Did you mean the "and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time" and the "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town" parts?

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

June 23 2014 02:42 GMT

#653

On June 23 2014 11:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
its inconsitant in the sense that he is trying to push scum on me for not reading everything. or posting everything. He got mad that i pushed on him when i didn't push on tolkien. And it was more of a sarcastic remark on not reading everything.

Ah. Well, the parts I pointed out weren't really inconsistent either.

Lord Tolkien

United States12083 Posts

June 23 2014 02:44 GMT

#654

On June 23 2014 11:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

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Ok, now please answer the other three.

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On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be

Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.

King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.

The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.

Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.

Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.

Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.

Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.

HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.

Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.

in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia)

It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm.

As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys.

This is where I mention blue roles. I later linked to the general mafia guide for how-2-play blue roles in forum mafia, which can also be summed up as DONT LURK.

TheKingOfTheCats

United Kingdom160 Posts

June 23 2014 02:46 GMT

#655

[QUOTE]On June 23 2014 11:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There really isn't much to say right now.

All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).

That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response.

Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.

[quote]
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
[/quote]
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.[/QUOTE]

Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop.[/quote]
It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm.

As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys.

for someone soo good at pointing out inconsitancy cats...[/QUOTE]
Yes, for someone that's soo good at pointing out inconsistencies i can't see the one you're referring to. Could you please point it out to me?

MysteryMeat1

United States3291 Posts

June 23 2014 02:46 GMT

#656

On June 23 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:

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You should have said that instead of saying that you didn't want to- that seemed very weird. :\

oh i misread that, i still don't want to give a read on her. Don't recall giving a read on her in the first place.

MysteryMeat1

United States3291 Posts

June 23 2014 02:47 GMT

#657

the one where he tells people how to play blue roles, i think its pretty scummy, and that he is just fishing for roles.

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

June 23 2014 02:47 GMT

#658

On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

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[/QUOTE]
I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding)

MysteryMeat1

United States3291 Posts

June 23 2014 02:48 GMT

#659

On June 23 2014 11:34 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i also don't see how i made a series of bad mistakes? The only thing people are calling me out on is that i failed to mention that tolkien didn't say the same thing as cats did but i pushed on cats.

If you were town, you would probably be wondering why i didn't call out tolkien. Either it was just a mistake, or you would say that if meat was scum it means he's not going to talk about his scum partner to distance

going to quote myself so that you can see some of the answers to your quetions