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Lazermonkey
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On June 23 2014 02:59 Lazermonkey wrote: SlOosh Wouldn't I push you harder if my second scumread was my scum teammate? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 23 2014 03:02 Koshi wrote: Wouldn't I push you harder if my second scumread was my scum teammate? I think this logic is pretty terrible. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I agree. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
Wat. I honestly don't understand what your trying here. Nevertheless, I am done with you for the moment. If you truly are town then you have better things to do. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On June 23 2014 03:11 Lazermonkey wrote: Wat. I honestly don't understand what your trying here. Nevertheless, I am done with you for the moment. If you truly are town then you have better things to do. 1 more Question. Why is VE not mafia? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
I never said VE wasn't mafia. If you think that because I said both you and SlOosh were scummy, I cannot have any other scum reads then you are wrong. I am fully aware that there are most likely 3 scum in this game. There are varying degrees of scumminiess though. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On June 23 2014 03:19 Lazermonkey wrote: I never said VE wasn't mafia. If you think that because I said both you and SlOosh were scummy, I cannot have any other scum reads then you are wrong. I am fully aware that there are most likely 3 scum in this game. There are varying degrees of scumminiess though. What made VE less scummy to you? Can you actually talk about how your reads are evolving when answering questions? Something must have happened that your top scumread VE became less scummy. What was it? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
ie. 8.15 is page 8, post 15. Also i will reference back to my relative post by (My.1.11) =read this post at 1.11. 1.4 This is scummy for obvious reasons. 1.5 VE might try to say he was trolling here, but he did not give examples why he thinks 27nb is super town based on what she is saying and arguing. Also this post is back and forth, something I think scum is prone to. 1.8 VE does not offer direct support for his feeling on Release. 1.9 Details at 11 but never gave us any worthwhile details. Also goodkarma questioned him on page 13 for it. 1.11 Now someone is pressuring so he posts one that has terrible points on why Sloosh if mafia. Especially If you look at what he has done so far compared to what he think sloosh has done. He also votes mderg here but saying it is mainly because he only voted once so far. This is because scum was probably planing for an easy switch off mderg. Why did he not provide examples of mderg here with quotes when he was voting him? Explain why its diplomatic. Explain why you think its scummy. The only thing we could of read into was if it was wishywashy. This post was right after my post on mderg at the bottom of page 13. I first said he was wishy washy and also commented on how he was leaning towards one post. He also says he will not read YKZ day one. This is very scummy. He says "as always" but why not give us a reason. Why would you not read BH if he does something super scummy. I think VE was wanting to let the 27nb lynch go through. He never even mentions 27nb in this post. Note. I will reference this later as 1.11. 1.12 Maybe because you told us your end results without showing how you got there. 1.15 This post is just weird. First off the "There're real" and defends himself with talking about how he has this trait when scum or town. So its scummy from the exacting wording that i quoted. I think Sloosh was more implying that they were so short and unsupported. But he says they are real as a response to sloosh is thinking they are fake. So VE defends himself when scum but does not push the game further.He does that later. 1.20 So mderg is saying things in the spoiler that looks like Ve is town. I do not know exactly what to make of this. I think this would be an example VE would go back to defend himself. VE though In this post he takes my case on mderg(this post happened after day one) and is acting like it is his own. But for some reason he does not talk about the diplomatic nature of it now. (My.1.11) Why is that? He never even mentioned he thought it but not as strongly now like his case on Sloosh. This is an inconsistency. He does not know if mderg said maybe or hopefully. This shows the phrase is not in his head as much he is claiming it to be for his vote. This is scummy to me. 2.1 He claims he did give reasoning for mderg being mafia, but does not quote where he did it. Also the only thing worthwhile(his first post where he voted mderg and gave reads on a lot of people does not count in my eyes) was when he copying my case on mderg, which was after the lynch? Why make your case almost a case after the lynch, not before. 2.3 Do not want to go into super detail here, but lets look at it overall. Posted this after day one. Bad timing. Also I think his points are half rehash, and half pointless(do not show scum). He quotes that mderg part because he want us to see it later on. While he is defending himself, he want us to assume a lot of things and just accept them. He talks about YKZ here because he thinks we will all vote him instead of mderg on day two. He wants to easily transition into YKZ. "I think he might be mafia" is scummy to me. 2.6 Says he should solidify his reads on me and LazerMoneky this cycle. 2.9 Says he is currently thinking YKZ and mderg then votes YKZ without even mentioning mderg. 2.13 VE does not give reasons why he is town. Tells us conclusion on YKZ but not how he got to them. This is showing how he is just bandwagoning YKZ. So he says he will read me and tells somebody else to read Lazermonkey. 2.15 This was after I said Chezinu's encryption was a hassle. I think he is just trying to cause confusion here. 2.18 Barking orders again with "Make him tell you why he is doing it" . Mentions that i disappeared again but still no reads and is defending himself again (1.15) 3.2 Seems like a weird reason. If people like to case maybe somebody would have time to see if it is actually true he thinks people on YKZ are more town than people on mderg. I think this is scummy. 3.4 Mentions some people on which trains. So still has not solidify his reads on me (because he would have posted them). Also i think this was getting ready to lynch me after he mislynched YKZ. 3.5 Flips out emotionally, does this later on when i say i think he is scum. So YKZ is talking about lynching me and VE does not really even comment on how that could relate to me being scum or town even thought he "thinks" YKZ i scum. Also I think he does not comment on me being scum since i was pushing mderg and he knows I am town. 3.10 This is very scummy. Why not make a solid case on YKZ like VE did on mderg. This is because he does not actually believe YKZ is scum he is just faking it. But he does want us to believe he is thinking mderg is scum. 3.11 Trying to sway town into thinking he is town leader when really me and YKZ did 1000x more than what he did to get mderg lynched. (actually he did nothing be rehash me case) 3.13 He is scum on me but still has no case on me. Also does not even talking about reads on me, I think one in the entire thread so far? 3.14 says that I am probably town. 3.15 Offering excuses as to why he has not read me yet but is setting himself up to follow release in lynching me. But if he actually read release's case on me he would notice that release was not being 100% serious. Me and release were still arguing about solely day one stuff into night two(i think night two, point is we made it matter as much as it did day one without looking at new info). I think town would of point out release only had points from day one. 3.16 Probably another set up to jump on the Snickers bandwagon tomorrow. Also being friendly to YKZ since he was on me, just like release. Also everybody go read goodkarma's filter now. Good karma was killing because he was on VE's ass. If my memory seres me right, he was the only one that was doing this. VE and whoever did not kill me because i was looking more scummy than goodkarma. Also three (assuming VE is scum and Lazermonkey is town) towns voted for mderg. 3.17 VE is wishy washy to the max. 3.18 I would say Ve has no worthwhile explanations. Just fake explanations that others have already contributed but line up with proving he is town. 3.19 He wants us to think there is a vigilante when there is a possibility there is not one. This is so later he can say vigilante chose not to kill me even when I said it would help town. He is wanting us to assume things like in (My.2.3) 4.1 Ok you were on mderg day one so we are all going to think you are town? So then why do you think I am scum at this point after (My.3.16) He add and "and" into this so I have to disprove the second part. VE wants us to assume ( he wants us to assume a lot) he was obviously fine with an mderg lynch. But he did nothing to push mderg but what I did and he is ultimately voting YKZ. 4.2 No explanation to why I am not scum anymore. Still did not read me. 4.3 Wants people to start commenting on this so more will see etc, when if anyone actually looks at goodkarma's filter you will see that simply he was lynched for calling out VE. Here is more details (My.3.16) 4.5 Yea but who said it first, Ve or goodkarma. Ve just wants to look town as hell here. 4.6 Totally retracts thinking that I am scum even though he was mentioning all game. This is because I look townie as hell right now. "I said I did but it was a mistake" So VE was making the same mistake all game long. 4.7 So will go by this sentence by sentence. First sentence. Is trying to make me assume something Second sentence. Again wants me to assume he has explained everything he has done and said when really nothing he has done is tied with an explanation. VE is scared here because of how early I got mderg. Third sentence. I was suspicious before VE said anything about mderg. He hoped on right after me not adding anything to the case. This is him trying to defend himself as scum by making it look like he did something. I would of been on mderg's ass either way. fourth sentence. Yea it is scant I do not like it. Yes it is transparent it is easy for me to see the scum in you. I really do not see where this sentence is useful. Has the same job as the second sentence. Repeats himself in an attempt to make me assume something that is not true. fifth sentence. I do not know exactly what tunnel is, but I am not tunneling if it means following someone else's suspicion. Refers back to bh because he thinks bh is what we all will easily consolidate on and just forget about him sixth sentence. Yea you think I look townie because i look townie to everyone now if they look at what has happened. Also he says "but if not then I really need you to know that I'm town here." He is still scared of me getting mderg. He needs me to know he is town so i do not make a case on him This is scummy. seventh sentence. I was not talking myself into mafia. Ve is just trying to get on my good side. 4.8 Ve currently thinks sloosh is scum here ( i think). He does not push the game forward at all here. Overall look at how much posts of VE's are objectively useless to helping town. Then look at how much are very useless but still have a little help. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
On June 21 2014 08:20 mderg wrote: I honestly never thought about asking why people are not scumreading him. I don´t think I´ve done something like that in any game so far. I really don´t think someone who has a convincing reason to not scumread someone would just keep quiet about it when a case is made. It´s not that I don´t care but I don´t think there´s any way he´s getting lynched today and he also didn´t post much of value today. So it´s impossible to bring anything new to the table. I also don´t think this is a vote for an easy lynch because it´s still kinda close between Snickers and bh and I think my vote may actually be of relevance. As scum it would probably be easier to just afk for the rest of the day and let the lynch progress, unless bh and me were both scum. Also @ bh: I never voted a townread. Forgot some of my case. Ok so I am very tired because of my first post on this case so I will try to explain mderg's filter later on but for now look look at these bolds. 1.mderg scum slipped alot and i think "honestly" is another one. Also tried to save his ass here by talking about meta. 2. Helps my point on bold three. 3.VE was effectively afking since he did not post much of value. In reality he did not post anything of value. Overall if you read mdergs filter, It looks like VE is townie. But i think when you read VE's filter he look super scum and that mderg's post where to try and save his ass later on. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 23 2014 02:42 VisceraEyes wrote: This isn't true at all, something HAS changed. THIS cycle instead of having only one townie tunnel on his resume, BH has now pushed and voted for scum. That HAS changed and you don't just get to come in and throw a vote down on BH without explaining why he does that as mderg's mafia partner.  I totally did that. I also point out things that indicate how it looks like a bus. I mean, if you think the case is bad then that's that, but I'm certainly not just slapping down a vote On June 22 2014 06:56 slOosh wrote: At this point in the game I'm process of elimination-ing and I still believe that YKZ is mafia. In the middle of D1, people are considering mderg as a lynch option. YKZ does a soft deflect here, by asking for a summary of the case and at the same time offering up an Oats lurker lynch. It seemed quite strange because of how gungho he was on the bunnies wagon all D1, and the time he wasn't was when people are talking about mderg to say "hey what about this Oats guy?". Another soft deflect here: Then comes his huge point by point analysis pushing bunnies hard. On D2 he pushes mderg, yes. But when? He pushes him about ~35ish hours into the day. The thread atmosphere up to this point is that a YKZ lynch is very very possible: I suspect given how little thread influence that scum had, that they anticipated one of them getting lynched, so tried to make the best of it by doing some hard busses. That way, at least they salvage some cred and try to make it to the next cycle. I believe the set of posts here reflect the bus mentality: There is a contradiction here, at most a minute apart. I believe it is because he decided his actions would be 'lynch mderg', and he would fill in the reasons as he went along. There's a hiccup here because he is just saying stuff and it lacks the consistency a townie would have when reading someone. In the thick of D2 when votes are flying around, for a moment people consider a Snickers lynch, so he moves off to go on Snickers. It looks like Snickers might actually get lynched here. What happens next? Backtracking. The confidence so present in the D1 wagon on bunnies is suddenly, conveniently, missing D2 on the mderg wagon. Now, his vote is still on Snickers here. Again, inconsistencies. He likes mderg less, and he never liked mderg here, so he must be extra scum read on mderg. He "suddenly" worries that mderg could be scum, which is inconsistent with his earlier posts, but yet doesn't move his vote onto mderg. After it all, here's what he posts. But that's not what happened as the whole point of this post is. He made a case with some inconsistencies, didn't push it with the confidence of D1 bunnies mislynch, moved onto Snickers, then suddenly had qualms when it looked like Snickers lynch was possible and mderg lynch could be avoided, and then only stuck his vote on mderg after it looked inevitable. Yet he tries to frame himself for the one responsible for the lynch, which isn't at all true. YKZ is still scum. On June 22 2014 07:17 slOosh wrote: Convenient that YKZ is interested in popping in to defend himself, but not at all in coming up with scum reads. In any case my case can be summarized as "YKZ didn't really want to lynch mderg D2". You guys can reread D2 for yourselves and decide if it's true or I'm making stuff up. | ||
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slOosh
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:41 Snickers wrote: Would do you guys mean? Like what YKZ did for 27nb? I figured people could just have his filter open. Also forgot to mention that early when I said i think someone was scummy even though i said they were town, I looked into him and his votes seem very town so. Also If you look at VE's votes they look scummy to me, especially the timings. What you posted is a filter summary with commentary, not a case. What specifically makes him scum? If you can't explain in 4 lines or less why someone is scum, your case is bad. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
4 lines? Lol I would say that is a weak case when we are 45 pages into the game. If you really want four lines here it is. Ve has multiple times taken credit for things he has not done and has not pushed the thread forward with his own original posts. Also his interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 23 2014 05:03 Snickers wrote: .... I specifically said what makes him scum. 4 lines? Lol I would say that is a weak case when we are 45 pages into the game. If you really want four lines here it is. Ve has multiple times taken credit for things he has not done and has not pushed the thread forward with his own original posts. Also his interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town. If you think wordiness is what makes a case strong or weak you have a lot to learn about this game. Syllogism himself mentioned somehing similar and he's considered possibly the best town player of TL. The idea is that you have to have a very concrete reason for why someone is scum, the rest is just supporting evidence and not quite as important. It's those four lines that you push your case on and elaborate when you have the attention of others. You've mentioned three things: -Taking credit for things he hasn't done -Hasn't pushed the thread forward with his own original posts -His interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town. I can now assess whether I agree with that read by going through his filter myself, and I can consider if I think those things make VE scum. I'll do that later. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
On June 23 2014 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you think wordiness is what makes a case strong or weak you have a lot to learn about this game. Syllogism himself mentioned somehing similar and he's considered possibly the best town player of TL. The idea is that you have to have a very concrete reason for why someone is scum, the rest is just supporting evidence and not quite as important. It's those four lines that you push your case on and elaborate when you have the attention of others. You've mentioned three things: -Taking credit for things he hasn't done -Hasn't pushed the thread forward with his own original posts -His interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town. I can now assess whether I agree with that read by going through his filter myself, and I can consider if I think those things make VE scum. I'll do that later. Never said wordiness is what makes a case strong. Was saying that evidence makes a case strong. Also you are assuming town are good in this game. I am thinking town is bad this game. Why is that? The terrible mislynch on 27nb day one. I already explained why this is so. My read on you before my "case" post w/e you want to call it was bad town. Thank you for reassuring my point. Also my read through everyone's filter showed a lot of bad towns. Also i went through his filter and also check multiple times where it was relative to the thread. So i think going through someone's filter is good if you are trying to get an idea but make sure you see where it is relative to the thread. I did this for you but do it yourself if you are self reliant, skeptical or whatever it may be. Also I will not have much time from now til lynch to contribute new things but i will try to contribute to what is being said. Anyway the lynch time for tomorrow is now 9:30 Eastern time USA. So i will be active around 30 minutes before. I have class from 6 to 7:45 for a test then an hour commute home. | ||
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