NaNiwa forfeits mid-series at IEM Katowice - Page 40

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Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

March 15 2014 15:56 GMT

#781

On March 16 2014 00:48 LongShot27 wrote:

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You really can't, even if you perfectly soundproofed them, the damn thing would vibrate from all the noise. But they really need white noise generators to deal with commentators being heard.

Players are some of the biggest opponents of white noise generators.

NovemberstOrm

Canada16217 Posts

March 15 2014 15:56 GMT

#782

On March 15 2014 23:46 Orek wrote:
If this incident doesn't prompt tournament organizers to take soundproof issue seriously, I don't know what would. Naniwa or not, it's disappointing that we have to talk about soundproof booths in 2014.

Putting them in other rooms may be the only way.

On March 16 2014 00:58 LongShot27 wrote:

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Well if they oppose it then that is on them. But it would make it near impossible to hear anything distinguishable

Don't they use that at IEM or just play loud music in the headphones?

LongShot27

United States2084 Posts

March 15 2014 15:58 GMT

#783

On March 16 2014 00:56 Darkhorse wrote:

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Players are some of the biggest opponents of white noise generators.

Well if they oppose it then that is on them. But it would make it near impossible to hear anything distinguishable

Chewbacca.

United States3633 Posts

March 15 2014 15:58 GMT

#784

God I love SirScoots so much.

Broodwurst

Germany1586 Posts

March 15 2014 16:00 GMT

#785

On March 16 2014 00:58 LongShot27 wrote:

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Well if they oppose it then that is on them. But it would make it near impossible to hear anything distinguishable

Wouldn''t that also have an effect on them hearing the game sound?

LongShot27

United States2084 Posts

March 15 2014 16:04 GMT

#786

On March 16 2014 01:00 Broodwurst wrote:

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Wouldn''t that also have an effect on them hearing the game sound?

I doubt it, the headphones are in your ears, the generators may interfere but I doubt it would be noticable

Zocat

Germany2229 Posts

March 15 2014 16:04 GMT

#787

On March 15 2014 22:25 NxSs wrote:
Booing isn't acting like a douche, it's expressing your opinion about the actions Naniwa did.
Booing happens all the time in sportevents.

That's the thing. ie. football:
If you dive and get a penalty people will boo.
If you fake an injury to get another player sent off people will boo.
If you brutally foul / injure another player and don't get send off people will boo.
If you don't play the ball back after an injury people will boo.

Basically - if you show no sportsmanship people will boo. Actually booing is one of the nicer things you will experience. Football fans have way worse chants to show their disagreement with your actions (not even mentioning throwing things / laser pointers).

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9208 Posts

March 15 2014 16:19 GMT

#788

If you went to go see a football match and the team walked off half way through because they didn't like the referee booing would be the least of their worries.

radscorpion9

Canada2252 Posts

March 15 2014 16:21 GMT

#789

Those are some very informative posts from SirScoots...it brings the whole thing under a new perspective. Really players should be told to expect imperfections and adjust their play based on it. Maybe the real issue is that this isn't communicated to the players very well.

Although also they could try to implement strict rules for the crowd; i.e. no cheering or booing while the game is in progress, like with tennis matches. Not sure if that would work or whether you could really control fans of a certain player from shouting when something important is happening (cheese). So yeah probably not

veilchen

13 Posts

March 15 2014 16:23 GMT

#790

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Posters from Argentina - Luxembourg

"NaNiWa is a miserable crybaby, it wasn't the first time he showed his lack of selfcontrol and sportsmanship. He's a narcissistic child, who doesn't think about anyone else than himself. I'm glad he's gone"

Random Swedish Poster

"oooh NaNiWa never forget!! He speaks up his mind, so cool!!"

So sad to read this. I pitty you.

Xoronius

Germany6362 Posts

March 15 2014 16:36 GMT

#791

On March 16 2014 01:04 Zocat wrote:

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In football people start booing, when the other team has the ball at times. We as a community/possible audience should distance ourselfs from football audiences as far as we can. And people blinding players with laser-pointers are not disagreeing with the players actions, they are causing actual injuries to the players and should at least be fined and banned from all stadiums.

SupLilSon

Malaysia4123 Posts

March 15 2014 16:37 GMT

#792

Naniwa is a complete joke of a competitor. The issue isn't sound proofing, the issue is him himself. You don't see any of the Korean players storming off the stage like a raging child. For all the praise Nani got for his win-or-nothing attitude and dedication to being the best, he sure has a weak backbone. This goes to show hes never had it in him to be a true champion. I did find it hilarious how he kept tweeting the "xD" face... sure sign that hes raging.

sagefreke

United States241 Posts

March 15 2014 16:40 GMT

#793

You don't go saying how "you haven't played starcraft in weeks" try to cheese your way to a win against a professional player, and then ragequit like a scrub saying it was the lack of soundproofing that caused you to lose.

When he grows up, he'll look back on this moment and regret it.

Saumure

France404 Posts

March 15 2014 16:42 GMT

#794

On March 16 2014 01:40 sagefreke wrote:
You don't go saying how "you haven't played starcraft in weeks" try to cheese your way to a win against a professional player, and then ragequit like a scrub saying it was the lack of soundproofing that caused you to lose.

When he grows up, he'll look back on this moment and regret it.

wow dude it was his birthday. His BIRTHDAY... He was supposed to get stuff for free

DrPandaPhD

5188 Posts

March 15 2014 16:50 GMT

#795

On March 16 2014 01:23 veilchen wrote:
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Posters from Argentina - Luxembourg

"NaNiWa is a miserable crybaby, it wasn't the first time he showed his lack of selfcontrol and sportsmanship. He's a narcissistic child, who doesn't think about anyone else than himself. I'm glad he's gone"

Random Swedish Poster

"oooh NaNiWa never forget!! He speaks up his mind, so cool!!"

So sad to read this. I pitty you.

There are fans who doesn't care at all about the drama you know. Like they only cheer for Naniwa because they enjoy to watch his game.

I consider myself a pretty big 30 seconds to mars fan and I don't even know the band members name. I don't care, I enjoy their songs a lot and have bought their albums. I just don't care about them outside of the music they produce. And there are starcraft fans who thinks the same way about players. Only watch for their games, don't care about the drama etc.

Lastly I am swedish and I am not a naniwa fan so would be nice if you stop generalizing. A lot of us don't agree with Naniwas actions so. To me the only good thing about Naniwa is that he loses a lot to Leenock in tournament finals : )

sagefreke

United States241 Posts

March 15 2014 16:55 GMT

#796

On March 16 2014 01:42 Saumure wrote:

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wow dude it was his birthday. His BIRTHDAY... He was supposed to get stuff for free

I know... Apparently it's a god given right to act like a dick on your birthday and nobody is allowed to call you out on it.

CubanPete

Sweden4 Posts

March 15 2014 17:04 GMT

#797

Ashamed being a swede.

Forgottenfrog

United States1268 Posts

March 15 2014 18:02 GMT

#798

10 years from now when people look back on SC2, will they remember Naniwa as one of the best foreigner or the person who has one of the worst sportsmanship. If you're going to retire or stop playing, by all means give your spot up to someone who is willing to play for themselves and the fans. I hope Naniwa retire for good so we don't have to deal with this kind of antic again. First the probe rush, and now the forfeit on the big stage, I feel bad for the fans who came out to watch the matches and the fans who tuned in.

Squat

Sweden7978 Posts

March 15 2014 18:04 GMT

#799

On March 16 2014 00:56 Darkhorse wrote:

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Players are some of the biggest opponents of white noise generators.

How about we get some random people from the crowd to stand in the booth and bellow into the ears of the players for the duration of the game?

maartendq

Belgium3115 Posts

March 15 2014 18:43 GMT

#800

On March 15 2014 22:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote:

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On March 15 2014 22:02 maartendq wrote:

On March 15 2014 21:32 djannih wrote:

On March 15 2014 21:24 Iduakil wrote:

On March 15 2014 21:21 djannih wrote:

On March 15 2014 21:17 Niko_Thien wrote:

On March 15 2014 21:14 djannih wrote:

On March 15 2014 21:09 JoeCool wrote:

On March 15 2014 21:07 djannih wrote:

On March 15 2014 21:06 djannih wrote:
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What hurts the scene even more is shoddy production that ruins the game. If anything it's a disgrace for Poland showing that they have no idea how to host a tournament. Thankfully we have good tournaments like Dreamhack that knows what the heck they are doing.

Let alone the shitty crowd. Kudos to NaNi.

Now that I thought about it for a while I´m pretty sure you are trolling... yeah that must be it!

You need to practice thinking a bit more then. I'm not trolling at all. What a classless bunch of troglodytes they are. Booing like that is not how it's supposed to be done. Perhaps in Poland, but not anywhere else.

I would've booed and I am not from poland. He behaved bad towards the tourney, his opponent and the crowd. That is justification enough for me.

You got to love winning more than you hate losing. And judging from how much NaNi hates losing there's no wonder he's the best foreigner (or was). Anything else is irrelevant. Booing like a bunch of enviromentally damaged alcoholics just reinforces the caricature of post-Sovjet countrymen being wrongfully brought up savages. It's saddening to see.

Dude I`m just lost of words.... the lack of any thought.... enjoy your ban!!!! Bye bye

Well, I'm proving a point.

The crowd excuse their shitty behaviour with NaNi being BM when he's really jsut a fierce competitor. Plz enlighten me as to how the crowd acting like shitheads is justified just because NaNi sometimes shows his emotions because he really makes a big deal out of his esporting career?

To put it really bluntly, progamers exist to entertain us. It is the viewership that attracts sponsors who are willing to pay for players' equipment, salaries, flight tickets, and prize money. If they fail to entertain their viewers they will be critised. Naniwa has been acting like a dick for a long time now but people put up with it because he posted results. As soon as he stopped posting results though, people got sick of his antics.

Noone minds a player showing emotion, but if vitriolic and snide comments towards other players and the community are the only thing a player is capable of, people will get tired of that person really quickly.

Naniwa isn't the only person who takes his esports career seriously. Practically all the players at IEM Katowice do. Naniwa is just the only one that consistently behaves unprofessionaly (apart from Idra, but he left the scene a few months ago, in a similarly childish fashion as Naniwa did).

Wrong, progamers do not exist to entertain us. Naniwa, a progamer does not exist to entertain us. Nor do any other progamer. He is his own person with his own hopes and dreams and beliefs and free will, as are all of us. Progaming is job to entertain, there is a difference.

Without viewers, there isn't any progaming, assuming that progaming means making a living off of playing competitive video games. Hence if progamers don't entertain, people don't watch.

Also, being a human being, Naniwa is also expected to adhere to a set of societal norms. One of those is that acting the way he does is not acceptable for a 24-year-old.

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