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United Kingdom30774 Posts
You guys so silly. Mafia won because they spread doubt and it's a newbie game with people playing their first game and you're all being aggro dicks.
Town: Need to talk A LOT more. Mafia win when no conversation happens because they can hide in the shadows. The more conversation and questions you ask people the more likely they are to slip up. There shouldn't ever be nothing to talk about because you can always make new things to talk about. If it is lylo (lynch or lose) then you absolutely have to talk and consolidate, which tambo was trying to do (was good) so that mafia can't just hop over to straggler town votes. Moral of this game talk talk talk!
Mafia: was easy to sit in the shadows for you guys, in this game specifically pushing for a no lynch so early into day 2 would set up red flags for most non newbie players because it instantly stifles conversation. Also talking about why someone is really townie based on not so townie posts is also a red flag :p your goal is to spread suspicion which you did do quite well and the moment hoya didn't die over sqrt should have set alarm bells onto most players as hoya was doing a lot more scum hunting and searching than sqrt either way you played well for a start to this forum
Gg's
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On March 14 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:The underlying logic is still stupid though  On March 14 2014 04:28 IAmRobik wrote:On March 14 2014 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:
I also highly disagree with this sentiment. In lylo you always go for best play for this specific day. You get more information on every day and the harder plays will get easier eventually, just make sure to lynch mafia the day it matters the most and that's not some distinct future lynch about some what-if-we-lynch-that-guy but the lynch right now if it's lylo.
I get that it must have been frustrating to play though and I can see why someone would just want this game to end rather early than late despite it being the wrong decision to make. I would usually agree with this, but not in this case. Not in this game. There was no way Thor was voting for anyone but Moose at f3 You either think Moose is mafia or you think he's not. If you think he is mafia than the other guy is a townie tunneling him on lylo. No problem to be found so it shouldn't be part of any reasoning for voting someone. If you think he is town you shouldn't have voted the guy Nah, because if you can figure out that CPHoya is mafia in f5, then moose is the confirmed town in f3 and he could make the right choice. The way it was looking, if you lynch rick, then Thor is the confirmed town and he was 100% going to vote for Moose. So like. You have a Moose that you know is going to lynch the more scummy person, or Thor who is 100% going to vote for moose. I guess it comes down to if you'd rather trust your reads on moose/hoya, or just kill rick and moose.
It's beside the point though.
That only is an issue if you think CPHoya is town. If you're sure Moose is mafia than there's no problem whatsoever with letting a tunneling guy into lylo.
He ended up voting Moose because he was scared another guy might end up voting moose later on.
I'm sure that's not his reasoning, but that's the reasoning he's given comes down to.
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On March 14 2014 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
You guys so silly. Mafia won because they spread doubt and it's a newbie game with people playing their first game and you're all being aggro dicks.
Town: Need to talk A LOT more. Mafia win when no conversation happens because they can hide in the shadows. The more conversation and questions you ask people the more likely they are to slip up. There shouldn't ever be nothing to talk about because you can always make new things to talk about. If it is lylo (lynch or lose) then you absolutely have to talk and consolidate, which tambo was trying to do (was good) so that mafia can't just hop over to straggler town votes. Moral of this game talk talk talk!
Mafia: was easy to sit in the shadows for you guys, in this game specifically pushing for a no lynch so early into day 2 would set up red flags for most non newbie players because it instantly stifles conversation. Also talking about why someone is really townie based on not so townie posts is also a red flag :p your goal is to spread suspicion which you did do quite well and the moment hoya didn't die over sqrt should have set alarm bells onto most players as hoya was doing a lot more scum hunting and searching than sqrt either way you played well for a start to this forum
Gg's
Just come out and say it: Mafia won cause they killed me n1.
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
Well you were talking and nobody else really stepped up as much so yes :p
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So everyone make sure you always kill Robik n1
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
clearly if Robik is ever alive D2 he is scum
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On March 14 2014 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:
clearly if Robik is ever alive D2 he is scum
Oh cmon...Give me 1 more day. If i'm alive d3 of any game, just insta-lynch me cause I'm obviously scum (or I'm wrong and deserve to get lynched....but no really, i'm always scum)
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
All my town filters are longer than this game, jeez
i liked mirks' play of going for thorgear because by definition thorgear was mafia. that was pretty clever.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
On March 14 2014 05:48 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:
clearly if Robik is ever alive D2 he is scum Oh cmon...Give me 1 more day. If i'm alive d3 of any game, just insta-lynch me cause I'm obviously scum (or I'm wrong and deserve to get lynched....but no really, i'm always scum)
get back in your place.
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I think mafia played this really well, they really did the bare minimum pro-town actions necessary in this low-activity thread to easily squeak by with this and that's pretty awesome.
If you let mafia lurk, they'll lurk guys!!
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
On March 14 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:The underlying logic is still stupid though On March 14 2014 04:28 IAmRobik wrote:On March 14 2014 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:
I also highly disagree with this sentiment. In lylo you always go for best play for this specific day. You get more information on every day and the harder plays will get easier eventually, just make sure to lynch mafia the day it matters the most and that's not some distinct future lynch about some what-if-we-lynch-that-guy but the lynch right now if it's lylo.
I get that it must have been frustrating to play though and I can see why someone would just want this game to end rather early than late despite it being the wrong decision to make. I would usually agree with this, but not in this case. Not in this game. There was no way Thor was voting for anyone but Moose at f3 You either think Moose is mafia or you think he's not. If you think he is mafia than the other guy is a townie tunneling him on lylo. No problem to be found so it shouldn't be part of any reasoning for voting someone. If you think he is town you shouldn't have voted the guy Nah, because if you can figure out that CPHoya is mafia in f5, then moose is the confirmed town in f3 and he could make the right choice. The way it was looking, if you lynch rick, then Thor is the confirmed town and he was 100% going to vote for Moose. So like. You have a Moose that you know is going to lynch the more scummy person, or Thor who is 100% going to vote for moose. I guess it comes down to if you'd rather trust your reads on moose/hoya, or just kill rick and moose.
this is largely incorrect
lylo has its own laws. In my newbie game I was alive in 2-1 lylo with another townie who thought i was mafia all game and the mafia was townie all game. but he made the right choice in the end because everyone can change their opinions. even newbies in their first game.
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On March 14 2014 07:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote:On March 14 2014 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:The underlying logic is still stupid though On March 14 2014 04:28 IAmRobik wrote:On March 14 2014 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:
I also highly disagree with this sentiment. In lylo you always go for best play for this specific day. You get more information on every day and the harder plays will get easier eventually, just make sure to lynch mafia the day it matters the most and that's not some distinct future lynch about some what-if-we-lynch-that-guy but the lynch right now if it's lylo.
I get that it must have been frustrating to play though and I can see why someone would just want this game to end rather early than late despite it being the wrong decision to make. I would usually agree with this, but not in this case. Not in this game. There was no way Thor was voting for anyone but Moose at f3 You either think Moose is mafia or you think he's not. If you think he is mafia than the other guy is a townie tunneling him on lylo. No problem to be found so it shouldn't be part of any reasoning for voting someone. If you think he is town you shouldn't have voted the guy Nah, because if you can figure out that CPHoya is mafia in f5, then moose is the confirmed town in f3 and he could make the right choice. The way it was looking, if you lynch rick, then Thor is the confirmed town and he was 100% going to vote for Moose. So like. You have a Moose that you know is going to lynch the more scummy person, or Thor who is 100% going to vote for moose. I guess it comes down to if you'd rather trust your reads on moose/hoya, or just kill rick and moose. this is largely incorrect lylo has its own laws. In my newbie game I was alive in 2-1 lylo with another townie who thought i was mafia all game and the mafia was townie all game. but he made the right choice in the end because everyone can change their opinions. even newbies in their first game.
@Robik I actually agreed with you but after thinking a bit I do think marvellosity is right. In Newbie LII I went into LYLO feeling pretty sure the other town (Valenius) was mafia (enough that I even told him he should move his vote to theDragoon, but I would probably still vote for him, lol) and he came in feeling I was mafia. Against all odds talking through things and reviewing things in the last day it somehow it still worked out despite our reads and that of the nightkill Lord Tolkien. I guess I'm just saying LYLO seems really unpredictable to me.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
it really pays to analyse the whole game in a broad sense at lylo, including night kills.
if you're a townie coming into a 2-1 lylo thinking some dude is mafia and you should lynch him, then at the very least you should immediately heavily doubt your read and totally reassess it.
of course that dude may be mafia in the end, but probably more often than not some scummy townie has been left alive till lylo for the mafia to lynch, and the mafia probably looks quite decent by virtue of the fact that he hasn't been lynched yet.
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On March 14 2014 07:38 marvellosity wrote:
All my town filters are longer than this game, jeez
i liked mirks' play of going for thorgear because by definition thorgear was mafia. that was pretty clever.
Oh yeah. That was so good!
Probably the towniest line of thinking in the game. 
E: mirks is Rick right?
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GG guys, had fun
that game was too hard for me, everyone was alot more experienced than i am.
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On March 14 2014 07:58 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 07:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 14 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote:On March 14 2014 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:The underlying logic is still stupid though On March 14 2014 04:28 IAmRobik wrote:On March 14 2014 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:
I also highly disagree with this sentiment. In lylo you always go for best play for this specific day. You get more information on every day and the harder plays will get easier eventually, just make sure to lynch mafia the day it matters the most and that's not some distinct future lynch about some what-if-we-lynch-that-guy but the lynch right now if it's lylo.
I get that it must have been frustrating to play though and I can see why someone would just want this game to end rather early than late despite it being the wrong decision to make. I would usually agree with this, but not in this case. Not in this game. There was no way Thor was voting for anyone but Moose at f3 You either think Moose is mafia or you think he's not. If you think he is mafia than the other guy is a townie tunneling him on lylo. No problem to be found so it shouldn't be part of any reasoning for voting someone. If you think he is town you shouldn't have voted the guy Nah, because if you can figure out that CPHoya is mafia in f5, then moose is the confirmed town in f3 and he could make the right choice. The way it was looking, if you lynch rick, then Thor is the confirmed town and he was 100% going to vote for Moose. So like. You have a Moose that you know is going to lynch the more scummy person, or Thor who is 100% going to vote for moose. I guess it comes down to if you'd rather trust your reads on moose/hoya, or just kill rick and moose. this is largely incorrect lylo has its own laws. In my newbie game I was alive in 2-1 lylo with another townie who thought i was mafia all game and the mafia was townie all game. but he made the right choice in the end because everyone can change their opinions. even newbies in their first game. @Robik I actually agreed with you but after thinking a bit I do think marvellosity is right. In Newbie LII I went into LYLO feeling pretty sure the other town (Valenius) was mafia (enough that I even told him he should move his vote to theDragoon, but I would probably still vote for him, lol) and he came in feeling I was mafia. Against all odds talking through things and reviewing things in the last day it somehow it still worked out despite our reads and that of the nightkill Lord Tolkien. I guess I'm just saying LYLO seems really unpredictable to me.
THERE WAS SOMETHING TO ACTUALLY ANALYZE IN THAT GAME! This game was basically not a game and just like 100 separate posts, of which, even after being dead for 2 days, I still had the longest or 2nd longest filter
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Rick's play was 100% correct. His wording and explanation was terribad though. If I were in his place, we would have 100% lynched Thor there.
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