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CPHoya
United States67 Posts
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
Someone in QT called you out for doing EXACTLY what you did in the video mafia game "My reads are so fucking good" | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On March 14 2014 04:15 CPHoya wrote: Robik I don't follow your argument about me not bussing at lylo, I was bussing at lylo. The way it sounds makes it sound like Rick knows who mafia is. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Pretty low amount of posts in this game. | ||
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CPHoya
United States67 Posts
Also just generally speaking (I'm borrowing the phrasing of the following), being right is the currency of mafia. You're more believable if your thoughts are reliable and understandable. That means people trust you. If I have your trust and I'm mafia, I win the game (most of the time). | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On March 14 2014 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow. Pretty low amount of posts in this game. That's because they killed me n1 Rayn! Those scumbags! | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
[21:12] <Toad|> I'm not even sure who's mafia myself [21:13] <Toad|> I'd insta-lynch this CPHoya guy any second in other games [as in, if this was a normal game] [21:13] <Blazinghand|Wor> yeah there's not much to work with [21:13] <Blazinghand|Wor> thanks for your great effort though [21:13] <Toad|> but with other people not playing it might actually just be that he doesn't want to play and is stupid because doesn't feel like thinking I did end up saying that all 4 of you look scummy though and there's plenty of reasoning for lynching anyone out of you, which is realy sad because all you needed is a single town OR mafia read to win this game... That votecount where everyone voted someone else in lylo is just really the saddest thing I've ever seen in a game of mafia. Of course everyone has a confirmed mafia thanks to the parity cop and of course you want that guy lynched but getting in the thread and basicly telling people "duh I'm town, so he has to be mafia. That's it, lynch him" isn't helping anyone, you need to convince people and do something about it. It's been like that for everyone and you guys completly lacked the ability to realize that. It's been lylo and everyone voted someone else which usually means that mafia wins because all they need is a single townie having his vote on someone else, because you need 3 votes on the same guy. Luckily for town mafia didn't realize that and was fine with the situation which meant that Mr. parity cop could decide the game himself because mafia wouldn't have been able to get a bigger majority, which at least meant a 50% chance to get a right lynch for town instead of a 0% chance of a mafia lynch had mafia just made the votes earlier. No idea why mafia didn't just finish the game right there but they apparently decided it's funny to give you a 50/50 chance instead of just hammering someone. Really weird game On March 14 2014 04:12 mtamburini wrote: I was more confident that Moose or Hoya would kill Rick final 3 than I was with Thor picking correctly final 3. IMO Rick gave himself up so i decided to make the harder decision today rather than tomorrow. I also highly disagree with this sentiment. In lylo you always go for best play for this specific day and approach this game on step by step basis. There's really no other way to play consecutive lylos. You get more information on every day and the harder plays will get easier eventually, just make sure to lynch mafia the day it matters the most and that's not some distinct future lynch about some what-if-we-lynch-that-guy but the lynch right now if it's lylo. I get that it must have been frustrating to play though and I can see why someone would just want this game to end rather early than late despite it being the wrong decision to make. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On March 14 2014 04:19 Toadesstern wrote: I also highly disagree with this sentiment. In lylo you always go for best play for this specific day. You get more information on every day and the harder plays will get easier eventually, just make sure to lynch mafia the day it matters the most and that's not some distinct future lynch about some what-if-we-lynch-that-guy but the lynch right now if it's lylo. I get that it must have been frustrating to play though and I can see why someone would just want this game to end rather early than late despite it being the wrong decision to make. I would usually agree with this, but not in this case. Not in this game. There was no way Thor was voting for anyone but Moose at f3 | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On March 14 2014 04:28 IAmRobik wrote: I would usually agree with this, but not in this case. Not in this game. There was no way Thor was voting for anyone but Moose at f3 This is just untrue, there's soooo much time during the night and the next day for the last 4 to convince him and say good stuff. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 14 2014 04:31 Balla24 wrote: This is just untrue, there's soooo much time during the night and the next day for the last 4 to convince him and say good stuff. exactly. On top of that even if it was that black and white, even the most tunnelish guy in the world would at some point come to a halt for a second and at least think about "hey wait a second... I have him down as 100% certain mafia... and we're both alive in lylo... if he's really mafia why am I alive together with him?" There would have and should have been ways to talk to him. Sure that's wifom but in the end simple explanations usually end up being true and mafia making lylo hard for themselves just to push some wifom strategy sounds really sketchy. At the very least he would have reconsidered. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On March 14 2014 04:36 Toadesstern wrote: exactly. On top of that even if it was that black and white, even the most tunnelish guy in the world would at some point come to a halt for a second and at least think about "hey wait a second... I have him down as 100% certain mafia... and we're both alive in lylo... if he's really mafia why am I alive together with him?" There would have and should have been ways to talk to him. Sure that's wifom but in the end simple explanations usually end up being true and mafia making lylo hard for themselves just to push some wifom strategy sounds really sketchy. At the very least he would have reconsidered. This is an invalid argument, as the kill was 100% clear to be tambo. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 14 2014 04:38 IAmRobik wrote: This is an invalid argument, as the kill was 100% clear to be tambo. no it wasn't. There would have been 2 confirmed townies after a mafia lynch. Mafia would have had to choose and there's no reason to let a tunnelish guy into lylo who's basicly mod-confirmed town at that point as mafia. Actually I guess since no RB... both really crappy situations for mafia no idea which one would have been worse. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On March 14 2014 04:43 Toadesstern wrote: no it wasn't. There would have been 2 confirmed townies after a mafia lynch. Mafia would have had to choose and there's no reason to let a tunnelish guy into lylo who's basicly mod-confirmed town at that point as mafia. Yeah it was, you let tambo live and mafia loses 100%. He gets another check on alive and its over. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On March 14 2014 04:49 Toadesstern wrote: but the check would have been "CPHoya is different than the other guy in lylo". That's a nulltell. He's parity cop and not DT and CPHoya was the one he checked on d2. As long as CPHoya doesn't get lynched or shot (which is really unlikely considering that he was mafia) his check will be a null with CPHoya still being alive in lylo. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. would have 2 people of the same alignment. and 1 different. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 14 2014 04:52 IAmRobik wrote: WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. would have 2 people of the same alignment. and 1 different. Oh right I forgot night actions happen at the same time, could have targeted the confirmed townie and figured it out that way. Thought he only has 2 people to choose from and already had the confirmed townie as dead, which is true but he'd still get the check result. Well in that case yeah you're right, he would have had to be shot. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
 On March 14 2014 04:28 IAmRobik wrote: I would usually agree with this, but not in this case. Not in this game. There was no way Thor was voting for anyone but Moose at f3 You either think Moose is mafia or you think he's not. If you think he is mafia than the other guy is a townie tunneling him on lylo. No problem to be found so it shouldn't be part of any reasoning for voting someone. If you think he is town you shouldn't have voted the guy | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On March 14 2014 05:04 Toadesstern wrote: The underlying logic is still stupid though You either think Moose is mafia or you think he's not. If you think he is mafia than the other guy is a townie tunneling him on lylo. No problem to be found so it shouldn't be part of any reasoning for voting someone. If you think he is town you shouldn't have voted the guy Nah, because if you can figure out that CPHoya is mafia in f5, then moose is the confirmed town in f3 and he could make the right choice. The way it was looking, if you lynch rick, then Thor is the confirmed town and he was 100% going to vote for Moose. So like. You have a Moose that you know is going to lynch the more scummy person, or Thor who is 100% going to vote for moose. I guess it comes down to if you'd rather trust your reads on moose/hoya, or just kill rick and moose. | ||
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