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On March 12 2014 02:27 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:48 IAmRobik wrote:Boone, You know very well that you're off the table for one reason and one reason alone, otherwise you would have been BURIED already. I am tired of these excuses "i'm getting used to this medium" blah blah fucking blah. I want cases on people. I want you to tell me why certain people are town and why certain people are mafia. I don't care if you're wishy washy about it, but like read people and give them +/- points either way. Take some sort of stance besides On March 12 2014 01:44 boonetown wrote:
I still think Templar is probably town but I don't understand his game play style, but that's just me getting used to the way people play on forum mafia. Like this isn't Boonetown. This is Boonemafia. This is even worse than Boonemafia. This is BoonemafiaIdon'tgiveashit. you're so fucking wrong it's laughable. the fact that you are this wrong on me, makes me wonder how wrong you are about other people. i HAVE to explain myself this game, i HAVE to let me know that this is new for me, because if they assume i'm in this game because I know what I'm doing, i'm even more of a detriment to town than I am now. You also cannot say to me or anyone that this is my mafia play, because you have never seen me play like this before. You need to adapt your reading on people this game, just as I am trying to. I wouldn't have been buried, and I guarantee you if I wasn't the medic, I would have played D1 much differently, and probably much better. So to say that unless I claimed medic on D1 I would have been buried isn't true. I claimed because I had too, because it's my role and I wanted to try and get at least one save. Until that point I hadnt even been able to use my role. So, if I could get just ONE save, I would have died happy. That being said, if I wasn't claiming medic on D1 it would be because I had a different role, or no role at all, in which case my play would have been different and I could have defended accordingly. I HAVE given reads, I have also given reasons, they just aren't adding up so people can't make sense of them. Hell, I can't really make sense of them. I am working on it, it's why they change and I flip flop. Give me a fucking break.
Then we have identified part of the problem if you are town. Don't play differently because you are a blue role. Always play like a VT.
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On March 12 2014 01:55 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:50 boonetown wrote:On March 11 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote:
rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.
Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.
Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic.. you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages. other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes? Now don't go all lying on me, you have the shortest filter of anyone in the game by quite a bit. That's a good metric for lynching scum usually. But hey, I'm the listening type of person, let's hear what you have to say. And my vote isn't actually on you, I am not pushing towards your lynch right now, and that is precisely because all I have on you is that you are some wifom day 1 roleclaiming medic thing + your posts look very much like statement posts and you're very inactive and don't interact much with people in the thread. This looks bad, but I can't conclude you must be scum because of those things. So for now you're just some random medic.
I'm not lying, I thought I was pretty active D1 and D2, or at least as active as life allowed me to be. I know some of my posts were longer but I explained why they would be, if you want me to explain it again... I will.
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On March 12 2014 02:31 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:55 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2014 01:50 boonetown wrote:On March 11 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote:
rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.
Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.
Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic.. you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages. other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes? Now don't go all lying on me, you have the shortest filter of anyone in the game by quite a bit. That's a good metric for lynching scum usually. But hey, I'm the listening type of person, let's hear what you have to say. And my vote isn't actually on you, I am not pushing towards your lynch right now, and that is precisely because all I have on you is that you are some wifom day 1 roleclaiming medic thing + your posts look very much like statement posts and you're very inactive and don't interact much with people in the thread. This looks bad, but I can't conclude you must be scum because of those things. So for now you're just some random medic. I'm not lying, I thought I was pretty active D1 and D2, or at least as active as life allowed me to be. I know some of my posts were longer but I explained why they would be, if you want me to explain it again... I will.
No, no, no. Don't do that. Your contributions need to be on point from now on. No mentioning of video mafia no mentioning of rl or the likes of that.
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Well I'm pretty disappointed with the way I played this game. I'm usually never BM and I lowered myself to BM.
I'm a decent lynch because if Rayn is mafia he will actually have to do something besides tunnel me. If Rayn is town, he will actually have a decent shot at figuring out the game from there (unless he is NK which would be HILARIOUS - just saying).
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I have a crazy fucking idea that will probably detract from actual scumhunting, but I wanna test it out. Anyone mind?
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On March 12 2014 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:50 boonetown wrote:On March 11 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote:
rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.
Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.
Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic.. you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages. other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes? Let's see.... being a non-factor in pushing/questioning people, overall defensiveness and excuses/lack of confidence and unexplained weird reads.
I was a non factor!?!? I questioned joey start of D2, determined he was mafia, and voted accordingly. I also tried my best to explain to people WHY i thought he was mafia. I tried to explain why I thought Austin was mafia on D1 and Rayn was town (though we now know I was wrong on austin). I tried to get him lynched, and no one was having it. Yes, I have excuses and maybe I'm lacking a little confidence and I don't really care if this is scummy to you or not. I know my role and alignment, and if you don't want me to explain why I have played the way I have, don't ask me. I am defensive because that is how I play, and I'm frustrated. I shouldn't have played this game, I even tried to get out of it at one point but was told because of my video mafia and epicmafia games, I qualified. Now that I'm here, I'm out of my element, I have no fucking clue where I'm going wrong and people want to push on me for the most retarded reasons, without accepting that my excuses are FACTS.
You want to lynch me, for right ahead. You'd be doing me a huge fucking favor at this point.
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On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 02:16 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2014 01:59 IAmRobik wrote:On March 12 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2014 01:51 IAmRobik wrote:
My lynches today are Grack and Palmar with a sprinkle of Dandelion. I know that Rayn is gonna keep pushing Templar, but I refuse to vote on him and think he'd be a terrible lynch...About as terrible a lynch as Rayn thinks Dandelion is. I like how you're doing exactly the same shit to me today as Dandel did to you yesterday that made you go mental. Don't ignore me buddy. I've already pointed out what I thought was scummy about you. You didn't really respond other than 'well, i'm confused this game and I suck this game so uhhh, yea. I can't be mafia cause I flipped off of mafia and onto town" then respond to it. For reference your reasons are here: On March 11 2014 05:28 IAmRobik wrote:On March 11 2014 05:27 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2014 05:24 IAmRobik wrote:
##unvote
##vote Palmar Based on what? VE vote d1 -subpar play all game -increased activity today when you knew you were going to get pressure -hari's ungodly wisdom And my response is here: On March 11 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote:
1. The VE vote was the most towny thing I've one this entire game. It was a terrible play, but it was not mafia play. Remember that I started out on VE. Then I randomly decided all the scum was on VE's wagon so I moved over to Killing, then I figured VE wasn't defending himself and was probably scum and went back.
I had no guarantee that enough people would follow me to make the lynches count. In fact I pushed a few people onto Killing (who in your theory is my scumpartner) before moving back.
2. Yes I've had an off game. That doesn't make me mafia, it just means that something about this game doesn't quite click for me. Even now I'm still constantly doubting myself. I'm having to remind myself that rayn's interactions with ggtemplar look quite good, just so I don't doubt the townread on him because he feels still somewhat off this game.
3. Today is not weekend. That helps?
4. Shouldn't you be trying to lynch Grack then? hairy seems much more confident in his grack read. If you are not going to change your mind, you have to explain why my rebuttal is not satisfactory. Feel free to call me mafia but your thought process needs to be entirely in the thread for everyone to see, if you successfully lynch me it'll be there for everyone to scrutinize after I flip. your 4 explanatory points mean nothing. 1) You didn't push jack shit onto Killing. The two people that jumped onto killing after you (killing still wasn't the lynch target at this point) were me and JAT. I assure you that your vote did not influence my decision not ONE FUCKING IOTA. Unless JAT comes here and says that you influenced his vote, then point 1 is absolutely null and is you pulling at strings to give yourself some random fucking town cred that you don't deserve
Fair enough but what other people think has nothing to do with whether or not I'm mafia. I can't control other people. The reality is that I called for a vote-switch onto Killing and it worked. Without knowing your mindset, I usually assume that when someone makes a switch like that, that people are agreeing and following it.
I don't know your mindset, I'm not pulling any strings, until you clarified this just now, I absolutely 100% believed that people followed me onto the Killing lynch. You cannot consider my actions using your knowledge, you have to work with what you assume to be my knowledge at the time.
There is no point and no explanation in doing the flip flop if I'm mafia. Especially remember that if I'm mafia with my incomplete information I assume that this makes me the main culprit for lynching VE. I could have sat on the VE lynch, I had given explanations for that one.
There is no point but there is an explanation to doing the flip flop if I'm town. I simply had no idea what to do and VE wasn't exactly helping by convincing people to get off him. I think his exact words were "Get off me I'm town" and "jerks".
On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote:
2) this is just you saying that you suck. I can agree with point 2
Well you accused me of subpar play. I don't suck at mafia, I'm at least okay! But yes, not a great game so far, although tbh, my 2nd scumread (boone was a policy lynch) on day 1 was mafia, sure, not great, but not terrible either. I ended up killing VE for being lazy, bad call.
On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote:
3) This is an excuse. Cool. Your effort the previous day was lackluster as well.
My filter is longer than half the people that are alive. Stop saying I'm not putting in effort because it's a straight up lie. I posted less on day 2 than on days 1 and 3, so what... the day ended up lynching the guy I wanted to lynch. Good result.
On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote:
4) I don't know. Grack has had his ups and downs this game, but he's definitely one of my top scum candidates.
Well so clearly you don't believe in the almighty wisdom of hairy sheldon. So I guess we agree this is a non-reason.
Let's sum this up, your reasons for wanting to lynch me are:
1. doing something that's "bad" but can only be explained by me being town
2. Not having awesome reads all the time
3. Some perception that I'm not putting in effort when I am.
4. No reason
I mean, if that's good enough for you, let's do it. But don't come saying I didn't warn you.
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On March 12 2014 02:31 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:55 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2014 01:50 boonetown wrote:On March 11 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote:
rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.
Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.
Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic.. you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages. other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes? Now don't go all lying on me, you have the shortest filter of anyone in the game by quite a bit. That's a good metric for lynching scum usually. But hey, I'm the listening type of person, let's hear what you have to say. And my vote isn't actually on you, I am not pushing towards your lynch right now, and that is precisely because all I have on you is that you are some wifom day 1 roleclaiming medic thing + your posts look very much like statement posts and you're very inactive and don't interact much with people in the thread. This looks bad, but I can't conclude you must be scum because of those things. So for now you're just some random medic. I'm not lying, I thought I was pretty active D1 and D2, or at least as active as life allowed me to be. I know some of my posts were longer but I explained why they would be, if you want me to explain it again... I will.
No need, your filter isn't that long, I read it earlier during the day 
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On March 12 2014 02:34 IAmRobik wrote:
I have a crazy fucking idea that will probably detract from actual scumhunting, but I wanna test it out. Anyone mind?
Go for it.
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On March 12 2014 02:02 IAmRobik wrote:
Joey is a terrible mafia and an OK town at best. I don't know where you go about respecting his game the way you do. Joey clearly gave up at some point (pretty certain he thought he was lynched on d1). Dandelion and Palmar saved the shit outta him after JAT and I tried to lynch his scummy ass
Joey has some God-Like plays, you cannot deny that. He's not a mediocre player when he's trying, but when he doesn't try... he's shit. Where are you trying to go with this? You keep poking at me as if you want to insinuate that I'm mafia or bad or whatever the fuck it is you want to say, without really saying anything.
Out with it.
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On March 12 2014 02:35 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2014 01:50 boonetown wrote:On March 11 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote:
rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.
Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.
Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic.. you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages. other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes? Let's see.... being a non-factor in pushing/questioning people, overall defensiveness and excuses/lack of confidence and unexplained weird reads. I was a non factor!?!? I questioned joey start of D2, determined he was mafia, and voted accordingly. I also tried my best to explain to people WHY i thought he was mafia. I tried to explain why I thought Austin was mafia on D1 and Rayn was town (though we now know I was wrong on austin). I tried to get him lynched, and no one was having it. Yes, I have excuses and maybe I'm lacking a little confidence and I don't really care if this is scummy to you or not. I know my role and alignment, and if you don't want me to explain why I have played the way I have, don't ask me. I am defensive because that is how I play, and I'm frustrated. I shouldn't have played this game, I even tried to get out of it at one point but was told because of my video mafia and epicmafia games, I qualified. Now that I'm here, I'm out of my element, I have no fucking clue where I'm going wrong and people want to push on me for the most retarded reasons, without accepting that my excuses are FACTS. You want to lynch me, for right ahead. You'd be doing me a huge fucking favor at this point.
At the start of D2 mafia knew Joey was going down no matter what. Better bus him.
Your excuses may be facts. The scummy thing about is that you are bringing them up all the time in the first place. Just stop that and contribute by giving reads/questioning/pushing people.
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over half of your posts on d1 were about rando lynching VE and questioning austin. you didn't even give rationale for either of your vote flops at the end.
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On March 12 2014 02:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:58 boonetown wrote:On March 11 2014 23:41 IAmRobik wrote:Decided to reread Joey's filter to see if he has any interactions that may make me feel one way or another about any living players. This makes me feel good about Slam: On March 04 2014 15:02 Killing wrote:On March 04 2014 14:58 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2014 14:53 Killing wrote:
The only person I like right now is austin. Although it`s super easy to put in these softball questions of why do you have this read and such, I actually like him for being one of the only ones to do so. SUP SON WHAT I MESS U UP ON? The fuck did I just read This makes Templar look good: On March 05 2014 04:52 Killing wrote:
Robik is now my top town. He's playing his exact same town game where he makes read on what seemingly is insignificant. He likes to believe that he found some proof even though it usually means and amounts to nothing. Other than that, his reasoning on Dandel is kinda bad. He's probably just tunneling on him as I'm not sure if anything Dandel has done has been that scummy. Voting GGtemplar for obvious reasons. Also VE is really high in my town list, I liked what he had to say earlier and try to fix the fight between Robik and Dandel is probably townie.
##vote GGtemplar The bolded portion from Joey is 100% accurate and thus he's being truthful when he says that it's indicative of Temp's town play: On March 06 2014 01:29 Killing wrote:
Hey guys, Sorry I lurked all of last night. The reason I unvoted GGtemplar was simply because of his gigantic post. When he's town in video mafia, he'll go into these long winded theories about who he thinks the mafia and why but when he's mafia he'll just do a quick explanation. I'm not saying that he couldn't do his gigantic post as scum but I think it's extremely unlikely.
I don't know what's going on with boone this game as it isn't her town or mafia play. Typically, she can project town extremely well as either alignment but in this game she's done a pretty bad job. I don't really know what was the deal with the QT stuff in regards to the game but outting it probably pushed her to more scummy in my eyes.
Also, I had austin as one of my strongest towns earlier in the game but I don't know where he's been for hours. Where u at?
Here are my updated reads:
Strong Town
Rob
Leaning Town:
Palmar
GGTemplar
JAT
Dandelion
Neutral
Grack
Oats
VE
Leaning Maf
Alakazam
Rayn
Strong Maf
Boone
I think that's all except austin. I didn't put him because I was reading him town before but now that he hasn't really said much which makes me more unsure of him. no idea where to put him. if anyone has any questions about any of my reads, just ask and i'll clarify
Boone's probably not mafia here. Rayn might be mafia. Maybe Grack. Maybe Dandelion. I know I'm town and I don't think he put his mafia buddy as his strongest maf. Just kidding. Rayn almost certainly town: On March 06 2014 01:36 Killing wrote:
@rayn
I don't play much forum mafia but all you do is talk shit about other players when you're pretty terrible yourself. I don't see Joey going so BM on his mafia teammate here, which would make me think Rayn is town. Making me reconsider Boone, as Joey is the type of player to sneak a mafia person in his reads and Slam is like confirmed town to me: On March 06 2014 01:48 Killing wrote:
As I said before, in video mafia, GGtemplar only goes into his crazy plans/theories when he's town. It's possible that he has done that in forum mafia but I've never seen it from him in forum mafia. Even after that post, everything I've read from him I could read in his town voice. I guess I can kind of read him differently that how I can everyone else in this game.
Rayn
You've honestly been just a shit poster for me this entire game. All you do is mostly call people terrible, tell them their reads are terrible or just plain disagree with others without giving much of your own thoughts. Although I'm usually the one to call people terrible, it's quite tiring to read through and I think it's overall bad for town. People that do not have town's best interests in mind are usually my top scum.
Alakazam
He also has posted very little content and hasn't tried to push town foward that much (I guess something I'm guilty of as well). I don't know what it is but everytime, my mind is just screaming scum. I guess it's just one of those gut things more than anything else. It seems most of town is reading town so if someone can give me a good detailed explanation why his nothingness constitues town that would be cool. I assume it's something to do with previous games and how he plays alignments differently.
Boonetown
I really really hated the QT play, more so than anything else. I think it was overall ok for town since we now know there's some seconday QT mechanic in play but the revealing part seemed very awkward to me. I read it as someone that was in a deephole and wanted to either
A) Reveal something to town to try and show transparency(?) and by extent seem more town
B) Create some diversion as in that post she begins to offload her blames onto at least 1 in her QT group (not really sure how she came to that conclusion but I think she has rescinded that).
The one thing that scares me is that she does get ultra-defensive when she is town and usually takes lynches more likely as mafia (since we all hate to be mislynched). If we were playing video, I probably wouldn't kill her today but everything she has done has been pretty weird and my other scum reads are pretty light at the moment. This post was about JAT...i dunno....don't think Joey says this to a fellow mafia teammate: On March 07 2014 09:00 Killing wrote:
Alright man, you're my top town from now on. Welcome aboard! I'd like everyone's opinion w/r/t the Grack point here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=81#1616I honestly don't know what to make of it. Well...that's the entirety of his filter really. I read his filter once he flipped mafia, and one of the reasons i changed my reads was based off of part of it. I didn't like how he tried really hard to leave people out of his posts, or the interactions he had with certain people (mainly Grack and Dandel) but joey is a tricky fucking player and there is almost always a motive behind everything he does. I'm just trying to figure out what it was. What was his angle, where did he try to trick us, cause either this is the worst mafia he's ever played, or he did something we can't see. No this was him just not knowing what to do, self-admittingly even from his own point of view. There is no "joey trick" or "master plan" behind what he did. You feel really off this game boone with the conclusions you're drawing and have been for a while.
That's fine, we'll see how 'off' i am at the end of the game, won't we.
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i don't have any townreads anymore guys
except maybe Slam
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On March 12 2014 02:38 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 02:02 IAmRobik wrote:
Joey is a terrible mafia and an OK town at best. I don't know where you go about respecting his game the way you do. Joey clearly gave up at some point (pretty certain he thought he was lynched on d1). Dandelion and Palmar saved the shit outta him after JAT and I tried to lynch his scummy ass Joey has some God-Like plays, you cannot deny that. He's not a mediocre player when he's trying, but when he doesn't try... he's shit. Where are you trying to go with this? You keep poking at me as if you want to insinuate that I'm mafia or bad or whatever the fuck it is you want to say, without really saying anything. Out with it.
I said it plenty clear. I think you're mafia. Besides Joey's shitty d1, I voted him over VE because you voted for VE and I thought that your claim sucked a big fat one. If you didn't claim medic and if we would have actually gotten my d1 target lynched, I would have pushed the shit out of you d2. Your contributions to this game are inconsequential and unremarkable and I expect more from boonertown...i'd even expect more from boonermafia, but meh...her town game is better
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I think I made it clear that I will take giving up as scumclaim. I have to go now - I don't know if I can make it back before deadline but I'll try.
For now:
##Vote.GGTemplar
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On March 12 2014 02:26 IAmRobik wrote:Boone: Show nested quote +Grack, you tried pretty hard on D1 to not talk about killing and to try and understand templar's play so that you could say based on other people's reads, that he's town. I might be reading it wrong, but that's what I took from it. I guess in this case, there could be a world where you and Templar are mafia together. I just don't want to live in that world. Did you even read the filter before posting? Like, are you making everything up as you go along? WTF are you doing? Not only is this plain wrong, but I JUST MADE A POST WHERE GRACK DISCUSSES KILLING IN 3-4 SEPARATE POSTS AND THERE ARE EVEN MORE THAT I DIDN'T BOTHER QUOTING. I'm --> <-- this close to lynching you over ANYONE.
I read his first 4 pages before posting that, because I'm trying to hurry along. In his first 4, he tried to find reasons to say templar was town and didn't even mention killing from what I can remember. If i'm wrong I'm wrong, but that's based of how far into his filter I got before posting what I posted... which I think was page 4/7.
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I didn't give up
that's very convenient of you though JAT
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