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boonetown
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada169 Posts
March 11 2014 16:44 GMT
#2561
On March 11 2014 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck i thought boone didn't vote for VE..
bad me.



I switched from Austin to VE because I wanted my vote to count and at the time I was reading Templar town and I was hoping Joey's game would improve, I mentioned it a few times on D1 that I thought they were town and didnt want to vote on them. I still think Templar is probably town but I don't understand his game play style, but that's just me getting used to the way people play on forum mafia.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 16:46 GMT
#2562
So who scum boone?
Computer says mafia
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 11 2014 16:48 GMT
#2563
Bonus challenge: Answer without mentioning that this is forum mafia.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 11 2014 16:48 GMT
#2564
Boone,

You know very well that you're off the table for one reason and one reason alone, otherwise you would have been BURIED already. I am tired of these excuses "i'm getting used to this medium" blah blah fucking blah. I want cases on people. I want you to tell me why certain people are town and why certain people are mafia. I don't care if you're wishy washy about it, but like read people and give them +/- points either way. Take some sort of stance besides

On March 12 2014 01:44 boonetown wrote:
I still think Templar is probably town but I don't understand his game play style, but that's just me getting used to the way people play on forum mafia.



Like this isn't Boonetown. This is Boonemafia. This is even worse than Boonemafia. This is BoonemafiaIdon'tgiveashit.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
March 11 2014 16:50 GMT
#2565
K so at this point, Rayn is playing very similarly to the game he linked in-so-far as his tunneled BM attitude goes (maybe the one difference is in that game he actually responded to counter-arguments from me where-as this game he's largely ignoring them and I'm tired of repeating the same fucking defense against the same bullshit accusations only to hear him say I've made shit up and haven't responded to him - it's fucking old and I'm done with this shit if he's mafia you all deserve to lose anyways).

That being said, I will concede ONE of his points, but only because he didn't explain it like this the first time around he only said my stance made no fucking sense. Now that he's explained it like this I can see how my read changing on Grack didn't make much sense.

On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 21:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop.

Where?

Nevermind. It's not relevant.

One question:
Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1?

Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that.

I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip.


But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works.



also, this is obligatory

On March 11 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On March 10 2014 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
D1:
At the start of the game templar has Killing as town because he pointed out good stuff on Palmar.
A bit later templar changes his read on killing to be scum because of what robik said.
When the votes start to pile on VE/Killing instead of him, Killing is not anymore mafia and Robik gets demoted from strong town (wasn't the stuff good anymore?).
Grackaroni is strong town because he realized same stuff templar did about VE and pushes his lynch.
In the end of D1 Killing is back to being mafia "in case scumbuddy flips at least i called him scum".

D2:
At the start of the day Dandel gets a townread for what JAT said in QT.
Grackaroni is mafia because he pushed VE lynch for stuff templar thought was good aswell!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!
templar points out more evidence for Killing being mafia, but likes Boone/Killing/Robik a lot less, there's probably at least one mafia in them but doesn't know who it is yet. This makes no sense given his stance on them EOD1.
He calls boone mafia because boone is casting light suspicion on Palmar but not trying to lynch him. Notice templar's top scumread has been me throughout the game, and he has shown no interest in building a case on me nor convincing anyone to vote for me.
Then he votes for Slam out of nowhere, "because he has done nothing but troll". But this is what he said a while back; "Kinda like Palmar/Slam still". He asks a couple of people about their stance on Slam.
When me and Oats vote for Killing templar comes in with a "case", but hey, he still wants to kill me the most. It does not matter his top scumread is voting for the same target he ends up voting for.
He points out Palmar's alignment is not necessarily related to Killing's or that we can't deduce Palmar's alignment based on Killing's.

D3:
Votes for Grack because Grack defended Killing on D1 and pushed VE lynch instead.
Says "(just to make it more clear, Killing had 2 scum yesterday, Robik was his top scumread, Grack was his second. his reasoning on Grack was weird/awkward as hell)". This should point into Grack being town because if mafia's reasoning for someone to be mafia is awkward it's more likely they can't come up with a good reasoning because the target is town. As mafia it's easy to make a case on mafia because you already know the other person is mafia. So this reasoning is pure bullshit.
Suddenly Dandel is scum again because Grack is scum too and templar "can see them both being mafia with Killing".
Boone could be mafia because she called Grack/Dandel scum yesterday (with myself as a possible fourth) and has been defending Rayn a lot. If she really nailed it there mafia would have certainly killed her in the night (no reason not to hit two birds with one stone).
Ends up voting for Palmar.

TLDR; DO I SERIOUSLY NEED TO FUCKING WRITE ANOTHER PARAGRAPH WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THESE THINGS TEMPLAR HAS DONE?

##Vote: GGTeMpLaR

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On March 10 2014 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are three things that are important, here they are (in order from most important -> less important):
1) His stance on Killing. Every time Killing was not under attack (after the start of the game) templar calls him mafia. When Killing is under attack someone else is mafia. See especially his reads on D1 and his "push" on Slam on D2 when the thread was discussing killing/grack.
2) His reads do not evolve rationally. He calls people town and mafia for same reason. He calls people who do same things he does mafia. His stances on people make absolutely no sense as i have pointed out many times.
3) When he's been called out he does not attack people's arguments rather than the people behind the arguments.

If there is something you don't understand or want me to elaborate more on please do ask.
The bolded & underlined parts go together with (2). Everything else basically goes together with (1). (3) is a general observation from all of his posts. I would also add (4) which is that i have noticed a pattern in his activity which is that he is not here posting at any point other than when he is under attack from someone. That does tell about him not wanting to figure out the game instead of just wanting to survive which is a basic mafia trait.


thanks for linking your arguments again that is super useful

here:

On March 11 2014 03:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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On March 10 2014 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One of templar/robik is mafia. I am really really sure of it. Neither of them is acting proactively, they are defensive, do not ask any questions from anyone and are not trying to push the town to right direction. templar is more likely to be mafia from those two. All he does is flings shit on people (qhich is what he does as scum), he has no good arguments and his stance on Killing is really really really fishy throughout all game. Before D1 end he puts Killing as his 4th suspect (why the fuck??) as a "backup scum", on D2 start he says Killing is probably not mafia and he considers him/rob/you in like "one of them is scum but i don't really give a fuck which one", he never does anything to that suspicion, never trieds to push his higher scumreads, and later on just sheeps a vote on Killing, who his top scumread (me) is already voting for. That does not make ANY sense at all. On top of that i made a case on him on D1, he never answered the case. He gave no reasonable answers to any of the points i brought up, that's also EXACTLY what he does as mafia.


-No support for bold assumption 1.

-Strikethrough is plain wrong. Yes I have been defensive but I have most certainly acted proactively this game and questioned several people. You were fairly defensive yesterday as well (basically OMGUS'd two people) - which I called you out on - (One of which was against Oats who called you scummy, me towny, and is now dead.

Your response was "ha you think I'd ever nightkill Oats?", when a lot of people thought Oats played well this game. You just laughed like it was another shitty read of mine (Grack did too).

-Bold 2 is, ironically, a textbook definition of "flinging shit". Do I need to say any more?

-Underline: actually I was under the impression that there were four mafia at the time, not three, hence my lists of four on D1. I have no idea what you mean by my stance on Killing being "fishy", lost my townread on him D1 and began scumreading him by the end of D1.

-Next strikethrough literally false information. I do not remember EVER calling Killing "not mafia" on D2. I skimmed my own filter and did not find it. Can you point me to where I said this on D2 or are you literally just making shit up now to bury me? Further, I did push my scumread on Killing and I didn't "just sheep your vote". I gave a unique argument no one brought up before that I felt like was even further reason to kill him at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=97#1934 .

The last bit - I still don't know what your 'brilliant' case against me is from D1. Half of your accusations against me D1 were straw man arguments because you kept misinterpreting what I was saying//making faulty assumptions due to poor reading comprehension, or trying to force something as scum.

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On March 10 2014 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
D1:
At the start of the game templar has Killing as town because he pointed out good stuff on Palmar.
A bit later templar changes his read on killing to be scum because of what robik said.
When the votes start to pile on VE/Killing instead of him, Killing is not anymore mafia and Robik gets demoted from strong town (wasn't the stuff good anymore?).
Grackaroni is strong town because he realized same stuff templar did about VE and pushes his lynch.
In the end of D1 Killing is back to being mafia "in case scumbuddy flips at least i called him scum".


D2:
At the start of the day Dandel gets a townread for what JAT said in QT.
Grackaroni is mafia because he pushed VE lynch for stuff templar thought was good aswell!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!
templar points out more evidence for Killing being mafia, but likes Boone/Killing/Robik a lot less, there's probably at least one mafia in them but doesn't know who it is yet. This makes no sense given his stance on them EOD1.

He calls boone mafia because boone is casting light suspicion on Palmar but not trying to lynch him. Notice templar's top scumread has been me throughout the game, and he has shown no interest in building a case on me nor convincing anyone to vote for me.
Then he votes for Slam out of nowhere, "because he has done nothing but troll". But this is what he said a while back; "Kinda like Palmar/Slam still". He asks a couple of people about their stance on Slam.
When me and Oats vote for Killing templar comes in with a "case", but hey, he still wants to kill me the most. It does not matter his top scumread is voting for the same target he ends up voting for.
He points out Palmar's alignment is not necessarily related to Killing's or that we can't deduce Palmar's alignment based on Killing's.

D3:
Votes for Grack because Grack defended Killing on D1 and pushed VE lynch instead.
Says "(just to make it more clear, Killing had 2 scum yesterday, Robik was his top scumread, Grack was his second. his reasoning on Grack was weird/awkward as hell)". This should point into Grack being town because if mafia's reasoning for someone to be mafia is awkward it's more likely they can't come up with a good reasoning because the target is town. As mafia it's easy to make a case on mafia because you already know the other person is mafia. So this reasoning is pure bullshit.
Suddenly Dandel is scum again because Grack is scum too and templar "can see them both being mafia with Killing".

Boone could be mafia because she called Grack/Dandel scum yesterday (with myself as a possible fourth) and has been defending Rayn a lot. If she really nailed it there mafia would have certainly killed her in the night (no reason not to hit two birds with one stone).
Ends up voting for Palmar.


TLDR; DO I SERIOUSLY NEED TO FUCKING WRITE ANOTHER PARAGRAPH WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THESE THINGS TEMPLAR HAS DONE?

##Vote: GGTeMpLaR


D1:
-Bold part is plain just wrong and fabricated again. I townread Killing based on video mafia meta that he was playing similarly to (which both Robik/Boone also agreed on at the time). His read on Palmar at the time just made me townread him more.
-Underline: Robert called him out on good points. I noted them how I felt about them in light of his play here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=55#1090 .

If you want to talk about weird shit D1, look at these:

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On March 06 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If killing / Robik flips mafia kill the other one. 100% guaranteed.


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On March 06 2014 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so templar made a case on me that was really bad and then he gave three town reads. I think that qualifies as not doing anything useful? I would lynch Killing for his posts but i have a hard time believing he went all out on me like that as mafia.


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On March 06 2014 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2014 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Boone is a hard read on Forum mafia. She's very good at Video Mafia, but one thing I've noticed about her play in Video Mafia is that it's based EXCLUSIVELY on body reads. She has NEVER in my experience with her made a read based on what people have said, logic, contradictions, anything. She has SPECTACULAR reads....when they're made based on body reads.

That being said, I'm willing to give her more time to prove to at least me that she's just out of her medium here.

##Unvote
##Vote: Killing

Why are you voting for Killing over ggtemplar?


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On March 06 2014 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2014 04:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
This is retarded-

On March 06 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If killing / Robik flips mafia kill the other one. 100% guaranteed.


So is this-

On March 06 2014 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh shit, not necessarily, might be GGTeMpLaR too.


If there is scum it's Killing, not Robik, because this is the 2nd time Robik has called out Killing on something small in his post that was a good point.

On March 06 2014 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i called your smiley read dumb because it is dumb. I also called templar's posts bad because tehy were bad. Hell people even fucking agree with me on that, how the fuck is that "shitting on someone"? Posts that say nothing or posts which are based on bad logic are bad, there is no reason to call them flowers.


Town fucking asked for my thought process on the votes on like 6 separate occasions so I gave it. If you don't want bad/useless shit don't fucking ask for it over and over throughout the thread.

On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote:
I am going to do this all in the order as I read it.. there are 10 pages to go through, so if this is too long I don't really care at this point. I'm just going to start responding to everything. I have noticed there are now 6 votes on me, and 6 hours to get them off of me. That doesn't leave me much time, so I'm pretty sure I'll end up being the lynch. That being said, I'm going to do everything I can right now to try and make that no happen.

For reasons stated before by myself and others. It's likely she slipped up early on, but I'll need to see more of her reads before I make her my final vote.


Templar, how in the hell do you see a slip? You guys are reaching and grasping at things that aren't there because you WANT me to be mafia, not because I am. There is no world right now, where I am mafia.



Because you cracked like it was the first game of mafia as mafia you ever played when you got pinged early on in those first few posts of yours getting hyper-defensive and backlashing against everyone.

If you think I WANT you to be mafia, that's absurd. It objectively read as what a mafia would say to me, not town.

On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote:

OMFG... I asked him (and he didnt answer by the way) because Templar as town would be the first to admit that what he did was scummy. He would confirm that the way I was reading him was correct, which would in turn allow (as a whole) understand that I'm not just making shit up, I'm reading, paying attention and trying to figure this game out.


Actually I did answer and I sympathized with where you/killing/robik were all coming from in your meta scum read on me - However, I explained how that style really doesn't carry over into forum mafia because the voting mechanics are COMPLETELY different and said if you were town you should re-evaluate the meta read because it didn't make sense in this medium.

On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote:
I am not, nor have I ever acted scummy in this thread, I might be nervous and I might have no idea what I'm doing (because, HI.. this is my first forum game) but I think I did an okay job.


That's bullshit. I sympathized with it being your first game, but your first few posts were scummy and the way you backlashed at everyone for calling it scummy came across as hyper-defensive and just read more scummy.

When you started giving actual reads instead of arguing with people "not knowing how to read you", you did a good job, especially in this latest post, I was reading you less and less scummy from your conviction if nothing else. Now that you've claimed it's all moot but now that you're basically confirmed town it's important you townread me so that's my thoughts on the matter.

Also, I agree with this 100%:
On March 06 2014 02:31 boonetown wrote:
oats you're an idiot


and that he's been so stupid that he has to be town because a mafia couldn't be that bad

Right now I actually still like the VE lynch. I don't like how he reacted to my obvious joke in the QT and I still don't like his reason for voting me.

On March 05 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
He also did something really scummy in the foundation chat (of which I am a part) in coming in and saying "I know both of you are scum, don't even talk to me" as his very first act. My first reaction to being chosen as one of the foundation thingys was "Hmm I guess I better go check the OP to see if it's possible scum are in here....looks like it's possible, better be careful" and I'm town. My first reaction was NOT that I was certain scum were allowed to be in the Foundation chat. The only people who should feel that way as their first reaction should be scum - because they know scum are allowed in the chat.


On March 05 2014 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 05 2014 06:48 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2014 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Another Palmar thing I'm missing is stressing the importance of being read as town on D1 for all townies.


I thought I covered that with my rant on how I needed you to look town as I couldn't count on other people looking town earlier in the day.

At any rate, now that I look townie to you what do you think of GGTemp as a lynch? I'm pushing it not as an inactivity policy lynch, but based on the things he's said in the QT. I understand that's not super helpful to you, but considering what he HAS done in the thread, I can't imagine you opposing it.


After I linked the actual QT thread info, do you guys honestly think what is in there is a viable reason to scumread/lynch someone?

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to killing austin today, but I wouldn't really endorse it either. If that's too tentative for you, deal with it, but I haven't really focused on him at all so he's pretty much dead-middle-null for me.

Another lynch that is actually growing on me is the Killing one, specifically for two things Robik pointed out in his posts on two separate occasions which were really dumb
1.
On March 05 2014 04:55 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 05 2014 04:52 Killing wrote:
Also VE is really high in my town list, I liked what he had to say earlier and try to fix the fight between Robik and Dandel is probably townie.

Really? This is like the easiest thing in the world to do as mafia to get town credit if Dandelion and I are both town. This should be role neutral at best.


2.
On March 06 2014 02:13 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 06 2014 01:29 Killing wrote:
Hey guys, Sorry I lurked all of last night. The reason I unvoted GGtemplar was simply because of his gigantic post. When he's town in video mafia, he'll go into these long winded theories about who he thinks the mafia and why but when he's mafia he'll just do a quick explanation. I'm not saying that he couldn't do his gigantic post as scum but I think it's extremely unlikely.

I don't know what's going on with boone this game as it isn't her town or mafia play. Typically, she can project town extremely well as either alignment but in this game she's done a pretty bad job. I don't really know what was the deal with the QT stuff in regards to the game but outting it probably pushed her to more scummy in my eyes.

Also, I had austin as one of my strongest towns earlier in the game but I don't know where he's been for hours. Where u at?

Here are my updated reads:

Strong Town

Rob

Leaning Town:

Palmar
GGTemplar
JAT
Dandelion

Neutral

Grack
Oats
VE

Leaning Maf

Alakazam
Rayn

Strong Maf

Boone


I think that's all except austin. I didn't put him because I was reading him town before but now that he hasn't really said much which makes me more unsure of him. no idea where to put him. if anyone has any questions about any of my reads, just ask and i'll clarify



There's a contradiction in the bolded parts. You say that her play is off and you can't get a good feel on whether she is maf or town, but that you lean scum on her (by the end of that bolded paragraph), but then you list her under "STRONG MAF" reads. I am so wishy-washy on Boone right now, I think having her as "strong maf" is quite the stretch.


Also, I still like my behavioral read of Dandelion this game trying to troll town (JAT/Robik) and cause chaos/confusion/misdirection.

Those are really the 4 people I'm okay with voting today. If I had to prioritize them, it would be like this

VE
Dandelion
Killing
Austin


Rayn/Oats need to work on reading comprehension but I can't really scumread them for constantly misreading my posts. Especially you Rayn, you read me right the past 2 games I played with you. If you're actually town you need to get off me.

Still like Robik as my top town but I also like Grack a lot for being the only other person besides myself to call out VE on that QT shit.

Kill for this post. Kill fo this post!!!!!!
Killing was green earlier! Now when he is a lynch target he is scum.
Kill kill kill!!!


Anyways, back to Rayn's post on me regarding the next strikethrough-
More fabricated information - I never said Killing wasn't mafia, he was my second lynch for the day. Boone is the one who said his existential crisis read town, not me. I had very good reasons to vote VE however, especially when he didn't respond to my accusation (or Grack bringing it up again). I trusted Grack because I was pretty convinced VE was mafia at that point as he basically checked out of the game after flopping on me .

Italics part is useless "shit flinging"

D2:
-Underline isn't relevant. Adding fluff statements to his shit to waste my time in breaking down his post. If he thinks Dandel is scum BECAUSE I am scum, he's making pre-flip association reads (which many people have called bad), so I'll ask you be consistent on this stance and be even more harsh on a vet like Rayn doing it who should know better. This also makes it very convenient for him to townread Dandel tomorrow if I get lynched because I'll flip green and his weak ass associative read can get tossed like *that*.

-Bold part is shit. he misrepresents the nuance of my argument against Grack being a sheepread. I never pressed hard on Grack or tried to get him lynched though. He never explains why me trusting the DM people less makes no sense. D1 is over, meta reads from video mafia become less relevant and content is going to be the primary motivator for reads at this point.

-Don't worry italics, today is dedicated to you now. You are 99% scum at this point. The vast majority of your argument is fabricated because you didn't even bother to reread filters and the rest is assumptions/shit-flinging/hypocrisy. You've done this for three days in a row. Unless you can go supermode like Palmar did today, for me, you're basically



-Note the bold, "he asks". I didn't ever question people though, right? You're not even putting effort into this. Also, I don't have a long history with Slam and I need to be reassured that he is town if other people think so because I literally have no idea how to read him.

-Strikethrough is literally fabricated/wrong again. In the very same post I make my case against Killing, I say I would rather kill him than Rayn that day. He laughs at me when I say it's possible that he/Killing be mafia together and just sort of tries to bully the thread into the mindset that "I bus'd my own partner there? YEA RIGHT HAHA". Killing literally gave up that day of course an active scum partner is going to bus him at that point, you are in no way shape or form cleared by his flipping scum.

-Underline is more useless fluff/statement material that also happens to be fabricated/blatantly false. I said with regards to the specific instance of Robik's analysis of the voting that Palmar's alignment isn't necessarily the same as Killing's. You just extrapolated that into a straw man of "you can't deduce anything about X player's alignment from Y player's alignment" which I am very aware is bullshit 99% of the time and something I would probably never say.

D3:
-Bold: Knowing someone is mafia or not, as mafia, has nothing to do with how good/bad you can make case against them. Your ability to fabricate a case against someone when you are mafia is going to be based solely on how townie/scummy the person you're making a case against is playing and how well their arguments hold up.

Independent of that, I pretty quickly rejected that reasoning based on the night death being Oats over Boone. I was basically thinking out loud in these posts, giving my line of thought as it progressed in the hopes that maybe someone would comment on it or join in on scumhunting with me instead of solving the puzzle as if I'm supposed to townread you more for trying to solve a fking puzzle. The only thing I get from all that now is that Slam is even more town for calling the puzzle which says he is town useless. If he's mafia he would just go with it.

-Italics is you literally leaving huge chunks of reasoning out again from my arguments. Yes I voted Palmar, he really didn't do anything D2 and look what became of my vote on Palmar - he went fucking super sayain mode. If you're town you should be thinking Slam/myself for pressuring/bringing it out in him instead of letting him fucking lurk again. I'm quite satisfied with the analysis of his I have read so far. I had to get this out of the way but I'll catch up to the newer stuff shortly.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn


inb4 he ignores everything and calls it OMGUS again

Seriously, the sheer quantity of blatantly wrong information in his attack against me should show you he obviously is either not committed to this game at all or grasping for straws and hoping everyone else will be too lazy to fact-check any of it.



boonetown
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada169 Posts
March 11 2014 16:50 GMT
#2566
On March 11 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote:
rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.

Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.

Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic..


you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages.

other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes?
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 11 2014 16:51 GMT
#2567
My lynches today are Grack and Palmar with a sprinkle of Dandelion. I know that Rayn is gonna keep pushing Templar, but I refuse to vote on him and think he'd be a terrible lynch...About as terrible a lynch as Rayn thinks Dandelion is.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
March 11 2014 16:53 GMT
#2568
Anyways, right now, assuming Rayn is wrong, I can't really put stock into his townreads because I know his reads are shit this game. He will get time to re-evaluate them once I flip green though so hopefully he can figure this shit out after he wastes one of the misslynches based on a "meta-read".

I know there seems to be this huge town circle from Rayn/Palmar that seems to conclude that Grack/Dandel/Palmar/Rayn/Slam are all town but I know this can't be the case because I'm fairly confident that Robik is town now so it can't be Robik/Boone, meaning someone is pretty fucking wrong.

boonetown
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada169 Posts
March 11 2014 16:55 GMT
#2569
On March 11 2014 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes boone is one to watch. Especially since i think Palmar is not mafia. It's possible that mafia has a roleblocker and she is a medic but as there is a cop i'd say it's more likely that there is a GF/framer (based purely on balance).

Also the nightkills kinda implicate she is town, otherwise i don't see anyone making those kills (unless mafia is all DM, but that's WIFOM so screw that).



even if they had a role blocker, it wouldnt have been working. i guess i'm trying to save the wrong people?

and there is a world where all the mafia could be DM players (the boys of course cause i'm town), but that isn't a world I want to live in. I truly think Robert is town and Templar... meh. I have no idea what to think about him, but I think there are better lynches. I know you disagree, and the fact that you are so adamant that it's templar is one of the main reasons i'm rereading him and your filter.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 16:55 GMT
#2570
On March 12 2014 01:50 boonetown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote:
rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.

Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.

Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic..


you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages.

other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes?


Now don't go all lying on me, you have the shortest filter of anyone in the game by quite a bit.

That's a good metric for lynching scum usually.

But hey, I'm the listening type of person, let's hear what you have to say.

And my vote isn't actually on you, I am not pushing towards your lynch right now, and that is precisely because all I have on you is that you are some wifom day 1 roleclaiming medic thing + your posts look very much like statement posts and you're very inactive and don't interact much with people in the thread.

This looks bad, but I can't conclude you must be scum because of those things. So for now you're just some random medic.
Computer says mafia
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
March 11 2014 16:55 GMT
#2571
I've got about two hours here to figure out where I'm putting my vote today on the off-chance that it matters.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
March 11 2014 16:56 GMT
#2572
On March 12 2014 01:50 boonetown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote:
rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.

Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.

Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic..


you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages.

other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes?

Let's see.... being a non-factor in pushing/questioning people, overall defensiveness and excuses/lack of confidence and unexplained weird reads.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 16:56 GMT
#2573
On March 12 2014 01:51 IAmRobik wrote:
My lynches today are Grack and Palmar with a sprinkle of Dandelion. I know that Rayn is gonna keep pushing Templar, but I refuse to vote on him and think he'd be a terrible lynch...About as terrible a lynch as Rayn thinks Dandelion is.


I like how you're doing exactly the same shit to me today as Dandel did to you yesterday that made you go mental.

Don't ignore me buddy.
Computer says mafia
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
March 11 2014 16:56 GMT
#2574
So Palmar, if you assume I am town, who is scum for you?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
March 11 2014 16:57 GMT
#2575
On March 12 2014 01:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Anyways, right now, assuming Rayn is wrong, I can't really put stock into his townreads because I know his reads are shit this game. He will get time to re-evaluate them once I flip green though so hopefully he can figure this shit out after he wastes one of the misslynches based on a "meta-read".

I know there seems to be this huge town circle from Rayn/Palmar that seems to conclude that Grack/Dandel/Palmar/Rayn/Slam are all town but I know this can't be the case because I'm fairly confident that Robik is town now so it can't be Robik/Boone, meaning someone is pretty fucking wrong.


So your scumread on rayn has vanished?
boonetown
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada169 Posts
March 11 2014 16:58 GMT
#2576
On March 11 2014 23:41 IAmRobik wrote:
Decided to reread Joey's filter to see if he has any interactions that may make me feel one way or another about any living players.


This makes me feel good about Slam:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 15:02 Killing wrote:
On March 04 2014 14:58 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 04 2014 14:53 Killing wrote:
The only person I like right now is austin. Although it`s super easy to put in these softball questions of why do you have this read and such, I actually like him for being one of the only ones to do so.

SUP SON

WHAT I MESS U UP ON?


The fuck did I just read



This makes Templar look good:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 04:52 Killing wrote:
Robik is now my top town. He's playing his exact same town game where he makes read on what seemingly is insignificant. He likes to believe that he found some proof even though it usually means and amounts to nothing. Other than that, his reasoning on Dandel is kinda bad. He's probably just tunneling on him as I'm not sure if anything Dandel has done has been that scummy. Voting GGtemplar for obvious reasons. Also VE is really high in my town list, I liked what he had to say earlier and try to fix the fight between Robik and Dandel is probably townie.

##vote GGtemplar


The bolded portion from Joey is 100% accurate and thus he's being truthful when he says that it's indicative of Temp's town play:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 01:29 Killing wrote:
Hey guys, Sorry I lurked all of last night. The reason I unvoted GGtemplar was simply because of his gigantic post. When he's town in video mafia, he'll go into these long winded theories about who he thinks the mafia and why but when he's mafia he'll just do a quick explanation. I'm not saying that he couldn't do his gigantic post as scum but I think it's extremely unlikely.

I don't know what's going on with boone this game as it isn't her town or mafia play. Typically, she can project town extremely well as either alignment but in this game she's done a pretty bad job. I don't really know what was the deal with the QT stuff in regards to the game but outting it probably pushed her to more scummy in my eyes.

Also, I had austin as one of my strongest towns earlier in the game but I don't know where he's been for hours. Where u at?

Here are my updated reads:

Strong Town

Rob

Leaning Town:

Palmar
GGTemplar
JAT
Dandelion

Neutral

Grack
Oats
VE

Leaning Maf

Alakazam
Rayn

Strong Maf

Boone

I think that's all except austin. I didn't put him because I was reading him town before but now that he hasn't really said much which makes me more unsure of him. no idea where to put him. if anyone has any questions about any of my reads, just ask and i'll clarify


Boone's probably not mafia here. Rayn might be mafia. Maybe Grack. Maybe Dandelion.
I know I'm town and I don't think he put his mafia buddy as his strongest maf.


Just kidding. Rayn almost certainly town:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 01:36 Killing wrote:
@rayn

I don't play much forum mafia but all you do is talk shit about other players when you're pretty terrible yourself.




I don't see Joey going so BM on his mafia teammate here, which would make me think Rayn is town. Making me reconsider Boone, as Joey is the type of player to sneak a mafia person in his reads and Slam is like confirmed town to me:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 01:48 Killing wrote:
As I said before, in video mafia, GGtemplar only goes into his crazy plans/theories when he's town. It's possible that he has done that in forum mafia but I've never seen it from him in forum mafia. Even after that post, everything I've read from him I could read in his town voice. I guess I can kind of read him differently that how I can everyone else in this game.

Rayn

You've honestly been just a shit poster for me this entire game. All you do is mostly call people terrible, tell them their reads are terrible or just plain disagree with others without giving much of your own thoughts. Although I'm usually the one to call people terrible, it's quite tiring to read through and I think it's overall bad for town. People that do not have town's best interests in mind are usually my top scum.

Alakazam

He also has posted very little content and hasn't tried to push town foward that much (I guess something I'm guilty of as well). I don't know what it is but everytime, my mind is just screaming scum. I guess it's just one of those gut things more than anything else. It seems most of town is reading town so if someone can give me a good detailed explanation why his nothingness constitues town that would be cool. I assume it's something to do with previous games and how he plays alignments differently.

Boonetown

I really really hated the QT play, more so than anything else. I think it was overall ok for town since we now know there's some seconday QT mechanic in play but the revealing part seemed very awkward to me. I read it as someone that was in a deephole and wanted to either

A) Reveal something to town to try and show transparency(?) and by extent seem more town
B) Create some diversion as in that post she begins to offload her blames onto at least 1 in her QT group (not really sure how she came to that conclusion but I think she has rescinded that).

The one thing that scares me is that she does get ultra-defensive when she is town and usually takes lynches more likely as mafia (since we all hate to be mislynched). If we were playing video, I probably wouldn't kill her today but everything she has done has been pretty weird and my other scum reads are pretty light at the moment.




This post was about JAT...i dunno....don't think Joey says this to a fellow mafia teammate:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 09:00 Killing wrote:
Alright man, you're my top town from now on. Welcome aboard!




I'd like everyone's opinion w/r/t the Grack point here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=81#1616

I honestly don't know what to make of it.




Well...that's the entirety of his filter really.


I read his filter once he flipped mafia, and one of the reasons i changed my reads was based off of part of it. I didn't like how he tried really hard to leave people out of his posts, or the interactions he had with certain people (mainly Grack and Dandel) but joey is a tricky fucking player and there is almost always a motive behind everything he does. I'm just trying to figure out what it was. What was his angle, where did he try to trick us, cause either this is the worst mafia he's ever played, or he did something we can't see.
boonetown
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada169 Posts
March 11 2014 16:59 GMT
#2577
On March 11 2014 23:49 Palmar wrote:
I just read the voting thread, I think I may be mafia.



lmfao, so you see why my thoughts on you are confusing? but damnit you're sort of charming.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 11 2014 16:59 GMT
#2578
On March 12 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 01:51 IAmRobik wrote:
My lynches today are Grack and Palmar with a sprinkle of Dandelion. I know that Rayn is gonna keep pushing Templar, but I refuse to vote on him and think he'd be a terrible lynch...About as terrible a lynch as Rayn thinks Dandelion is.


I like how you're doing exactly the same shit to me today as Dandel did to you yesterday that made you go mental.

Don't ignore me buddy.

I've already pointed out what I thought was scummy about you. You didn't really respond other than 'well, i'm confused this game and I suck this game so uhhh, yea. I can't be mafia cause I flipped off of mafia and onto town"
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
March 11 2014 17:00 GMT
#2579
On March 12 2014 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 01:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Anyways, right now, assuming Rayn is wrong, I can't really put stock into his townreads because I know his reads are shit this game. He will get time to re-evaluate them once I flip green though so hopefully he can figure this shit out after he wastes one of the misslynches based on a "meta-read".

I know there seems to be this huge town circle from Rayn/Palmar that seems to conclude that Grack/Dandel/Palmar/Rayn/Slam are all town but I know this can't be the case because I'm fairly confident that Robik is town now so it can't be Robik/Boone, meaning someone is pretty fucking wrong.


So your scumread on rayn has vanished?


It's not vanished. If I meta-read him he's playing almost the same as his other town game (although not exactly the same). I'm suspicious over that small discrepancy but it's so small it could just be regular town-town discrepancy in his play.

I think his accusations against me are bullshit but apparently I'm the only one (aside from the Grack point I concede). I can sort of understand where he's coming from though, and almost everyone here seems to think he's town at this point so it's pretty pointless beating a dead horse. If he's mafia you guys probably already lost. In any case he isn't the lynch today.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 11 2014 17:02 GMT
#2580
Joey is a terrible mafia and an OK town at best. I don't know where you go about respecting his game the way you do. Joey clearly gave up at some point (pretty certain he thought he was lynched on d1). Dandelion and Palmar saved the shit outta him after JAT and I tried to lynch his scummy ass
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