EPTThe Paleo Diet thread - Page 23
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Ender985
Spain910 Posts
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rEiGN~
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On March 14 2013 20:43 rEiGN~ wrote: What's the latest on healthiness of red meat? That and chicken are pretty big part of my diet and I'm a bit concerned. Preferably grass fed, but it's fine. Any type of processed carbs is worse than meat (juice, soda, candy, any type of wheat products like pasta, noodles, pastries, bread,etc). | ||
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farhatbokhari
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rEiGN~
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9978932/Red-meat-nutrient-linked-to-heart-disease.html | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On April 09 2013 09:03 rEiGN~ wrote: Red meat nutrient linked to heart disease http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9978932/Red-meat-nutrient-linked-to-heart-disease.html Dont post the random crap science pop article news. Basically, if you have some specific strains of gut bacteria they will produce TMAO from L-carnitine. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/349480/description/Molecule_in_meat_may_increase_heart_disease_risk_ L-carnitine is a naturally occurring amino acid in muscles so it's not like it's unhealthy. Only when it's converted. This pretty much only serves to further the fact that gut health is still not well understood, but it's very important overall for health. When you eat crappy food your gut flora will reflect that. It will be interesting to see studies on the particular flora from the entire diets that the meat eaters had and whether they compared it to subjects who were eating standard american diet vs mediterranean or paleo or whatever. But I think we're still a while away from that. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
On April 09 2013 11:05 eshlow wrote: Dont post the random crap science pop article news. Basically, if you have some specific strains of gut bacteria they will produce TMAO from L-carnitine. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/349480/description/Molecule_in_meat_may_increase_heart_disease_risk_ L-carnitine is a naturally occurring amino acid in muscles so it's not like it's unhealthy. Only when it's converted. This pretty much only serves to further the fact that gut health is still not well understood, but it's very important overall for health. When you eat crappy food your gut flora will reflect that. It will be interesting to see studies on the particular flora from the entire diets that the meat eaters had and whether they compared it to subjects who were eating standard american diet vs mediterranean or paleo or whatever. But I think we're still a while away from that. ah thanks for the info! | ||
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rEiGN~
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I read that on national (non-english) news and googled for an English equivalent that seemed most credible. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
More studies coming out that carnitine is protective for your heart http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/MyocardialInfarction/38422 They even address the other study "The Nature Medicine paper is of interest, but the main study reported there was in animals, and unlike our study, lacks hard outcomes," said senior investigator Carl J. Lavie, MD, of the John Ochsner Heart and Vascular Institute at the University of Queensland School of Medicine in New Orleans, in a statement. So guys... red meat = bad... then red meat = good. I still say stick to non-processed foods and you'll be generally better off. And yes, that includes eating meat. | ||
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Creem
Sweden254 Posts
On April 09 2013 09:03 rEiGN~ wrote: Red meat nutrient linked to heart disease http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9978932/Red-meat-nutrient-linked-to-heart-disease.html Just an attempt from the big food companies trying to divert our attention from the real issue - processed carbs. Does it make sense to you that something we've been eating for the last couple of million years suddenly was able to kill you? If that really was the case the human race would've died off a long time ago. Edit: I agree it's a difference between meat and meat, go with grass fed and locally produced when available. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
http://anthonycolpo.com/bullshit-study-of-the-year-carnitine-causes-heart-disease/ NSFW hilarious | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
What is the longest period you have been on this diet? | ||
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susanhedstrom70
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Hollow
Canada2174 Posts
On April 14 2013 01:17 Creem wrote: Just an attempt from the big food companies trying to divert our attention from the real issue - processed carbs. Does it make sense to you that something we've been eating for the last couple of million years suddenly was able to kill you? If that really was the case the human race would've died off a long time ago. Edit: I agree it's a difference between meat and meat, go with grass fed and locally produced when available. What we've been eating for millions of years is not an indicator of whether or not it is healthy/promotes longevity. Evolution does not care how long you live, as long as you live long enough to be able to reproduce. You are here because your ancestors managed to get enough calories and nutrients to reproduce, that's all. No one has ever argued that meat is bad if you want to be able to pass on your genes; you can have a crap diet and get to reproductive age easily. The really bad stuff that will kill you always takes a long time to develop. It's bad because it augments your risk of chronic disease and early mortality. This is the case for meat, actually, regardless of its source. Cooking methods have a lot to do with it as well, but on the whole, people who eat more meat will live less long, confounding factors taken into account. | ||
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