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On May 25 2012 19:13 Miyoshino wrote:
Maybe he likes science and dislikes conspiracy theories. Anyway, your airheadedness was funny 5 years ago decaf. It's 2012 now and your clowning now got annoying.
Oh, you like science now?
How about the studies I posted 3 pages ago:
And the post right after you posted this:
On May 12 2012 02:19 Miyoshino wrote:
Makes no sense to make a diet based on cutting out perfectly fine foods, legumes and grains, because of the belief they are severely unhealthy. Why would those be so much more unhealthy than nuts? I mean peanuts aren't nut but legumes so you can't eat them but cashew are fine?
It seems to be largely based on a misunderstanding of evolution and making all kinds of assumptions based on what we used to eat in the paleolithic.
It seems silly to me to suggest that diseases of civilizations are caused by legumes and grains while red meat is ok. Especially considering the evidence that is out there. Also, the whole concept wasn't born out of empiricall evidence anyway but bad evolutionary assumptions.
I am not saying this is a bad diet. It the rationale just doesn't make any sense. This seems just another fashion trend in diets to me. Everyone already knows what is and what isn't healthy. I never understood the appeal of in-vogue diets.
The last study in the above group even backs up the rationale:
http://ncp.sagepub.com/content/25/6/594.full
If Paleo is has a poor rationale or does poorly against other diets in studies and science then I assume you have the studies to back it up....? Oh what is that? You don't?
All you have is whining that grains are not bad and nuts are? That's not science.
I even pointed out the science -- genes -- are the major factor behind longevity, not meat vs fish nutrition like you claimed.
Oh well... maybe you can actually post some sciences... or you know.... go troll another thread with baseless statements.
Also, LOL at Paleo being a conspiracy theory. Now I've heard it all.
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Sheesh, this is worse than talking with a creationist of 9/11 truther.
Nice straw man. You say you can eat unlimited nuts but no seeds. I called you out on that. Your problem, ot mine. You make all these threads but apparently you know nothing about nutrition and probably very little about fitness as well. Your advice on anything you give here should be considered outright dangerous. Imo, a mod should delete every since post you made on this board.
And yes, gluten causing all these diseases like Alzheimer, that is a conspiracy theory. Now I understand why people call paleo dioet a sect.
I'm done. Also, don't call me a troll, asshole.
User was temp banned for this post.
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You say you can eat unlimited nuts but no seeds.
Prove it. Find a quote of me saying this exact thing. You can't because it's a straw man.
I have never said anyone can eat unlimited nuts, and I have recommended seeds.
You make all these threads but apparently you know nothing about nutrition and probably very little about fitness as well.
TL wouldn't have me as a thread starter if I was putting up fake information, so I would think it's more like you know little about nutrition and fitness.
Your advice on anything you give here should be considered outright dangerous. Imo, a mod should delete every since post you made on this board.
lol, ok.
And yes, gluten causing all these diseases like Alzheimer, that is a conspiracy theory. Now I understand why people call paleo dioet a sect.
It's too bad that you're just biased and wrong.
Gluten is bad because gliadin stimulates T-cell autoimmune activation against transglutaminase enzyme.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019701860100064X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-transglutaminase_antibodies#Mechanism_of_Autoimmunity
If you take a look at the literature aside from the above study that directly links gluten, transglutaminase and Alzheimer's, you'll see that there is highly increased activity of transglutaminase in chronic neurological degenerative diseases. Like I said, do any type of search with the chronic neurological degenerative diseases and you'll see the relationships.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=alzheimer's transglutaminase
Honestly, it truly is a pity that people are blinded to the science just because they believe what the government tells them about how grains are healthy.
And yes, you are a troll because you present no scientific facts and are just here to spout out opposing points because you think Paleo is a cult when it is based on a solid scientific groundwork that is starting to become evident in the literature.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Bumping this to the main page!
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thanks for the bump eshlow. read through the entire thing to familiarize myself with the diet and the reasoning behind it.
on a side note, i've been trying to slowly cut processed grains out of my diet. im a huge lover of pasta, noodles, ramen, bread, etc, but it hasn't been too difficult slowly phasing them out in favor of just plain old real food with white rice for carbs/energy. of course, sometimes ill go and indulge in some delicious linguine with a light cream sauce (throw in some shrooms, sun dried tomatoes, basil, and chicken.... fuck) but it'll only be once in a while.
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On September 06 2012 06:30 ieatkids5 wrote:
thanks for the bump eshlow. read through the entire thing to familiarize myself with the diet and the reasoning behind it.
on a side note, i've been trying to slowly cut processed grains out of my diet. im a huge lover of pasta, noodles, ramen, bread, etc, but it hasn't been too difficult slowly phasing them out in favor of just plain old real food with white rice for carbs/energy. of course, sometimes ill go and indulge in some delicious linguine with a light cream sauce (throw in some shrooms, sun dried tomatoes, basil, and chicken.... fuck) but it'll only be once in a while.
Have you noticed any changes in general health/energy/etc after cleaning everything up?
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The girlfriend has just gone gluten free (not quite paleo) in a bid to take on various health issues - basically been slapped with the chronic fatigue syndrome label. Seems to be going well so far. I like my bread though  so i don't think i can handle paleo.
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Screw paleo. I've been on it with slight variations for almost half a year, but now I can't eat ramen without feeling bloated and disgusted. 
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On September 06 2012 12:55 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 06:30 ieatkids5 wrote:
thanks for the bump eshlow. read through the entire thing to familiarize myself with the diet and the reasoning behind it.
on a side note, i've been trying to slowly cut processed grains out of my diet. im a huge lover of pasta, noodles, ramen, bread, etc, but it hasn't been too difficult slowly phasing them out in favor of just plain old real food with white rice for carbs/energy. of course, sometimes ill go and indulge in some delicious linguine with a light cream sauce (throw in some shrooms, sun dried tomatoes, basil, and chicken.... fuck) but it'll only be once in a while. Have you noticed any changes in general health/energy/etc after cleaning everything up?
to be honest, i'm really not sure for two main reasons. first is that the process of phasing out wheat/grains/processed foods has been gradual, and even now, i'm still eating bread or other processed food every now and then. i cant really objectively take my state of health a year ago and compare it to how i feel now. i cant say ive felt any drastic changes... non-processed meats and vegetables have been part of my diet for a long time (because of my parents' cooking and they passed it on to me), so it's not like my diet changed THAT much compared to people who are eating mcdonalds, junk food, and soft drinks every day.
the second reason is that the main determinant of how healthy i feel is the status of my skin condition. although i do believe that any changes in this condition can be in part affected by my diet, for the last few years, the main cause of it has not been diet at all. so again, it's hard to compare states of health before and after paleo, since my state of health is moreso determined by other factors.
in the end, im glad ive educated myself more on nutrition and made the switch. if anything, i'm feeling more mentally sound since eating a healthy diet provides peace of mind as well. you could call it a placebo effect, but it works, imo. of course, it's much more than a placebo effect, since it's been proven to have real effects, but my point is that just believing im eating more healthily helps me be more healthy.
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Bumping just to say I've just ate Liver with onions and its fucking delicious. I also have an OD of vitamins now.
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try adding bacon to liver and onions. *drools*
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On October 12 2012 09:43 AoN.DimSum wrote:
try adding bacon to liver and onions. *drools*
I like to add bacon to my bacon. Fried in unsalted butter. It's even better if you cook it real slow, but I have a 3 year old, so I minimize the grease splattering time. Need to get one of those grease covers for a pan.
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On October 12 2012 11:11 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 09:43 AoN.DimSum wrote:
try adding bacon to liver and onions. *drools* I like to add bacon to my bacon. Fried in unsalted butter. It's even better if you cook it real slow, but I have a 3 year old, so I minimize the grease splattering time. Need to get one of those grease covers for a pan.
frying it in butter sounds delicious, but i still never do that cuz the pan always fills itself up with the bacon grease. then i make fried rice with the bacon and the grease. throw in some chopped onions (also cooked in the bacon grease), chopped collard greens, mushrooms, and shallots. omfg.
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On October 12 2012 11:21 ieatkids5 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:11 JingleHell wrote:On October 12 2012 09:43 AoN.DimSum wrote:
try adding bacon to liver and onions. *drools* I like to add bacon to my bacon. Fried in unsalted butter. It's even better if you cook it real slow, but I have a 3 year old, so I minimize the grease splattering time. Need to get one of those grease covers for a pan. frying it in butter sounds delicious, but i still never do that cuz the pan always fills itself up with the bacon grease. then i make fried rice with the bacon and the grease. throw in some chopped onions (also cooked in the bacon grease), chopped collard greens, mushrooms, and shallots. omfg.
Don't forget to throw some kids in there. 
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On October 12 2012 12:46 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:21 ieatkids5 wrote:On October 12 2012 11:11 JingleHell wrote:On October 12 2012 09:43 AoN.DimSum wrote:
try adding bacon to liver and onions. *drools* I like to add bacon to my bacon. Fried in unsalted butter. It's even better if you cook it real slow, but I have a 3 year old, so I minimize the grease splattering time. Need to get one of those grease covers for a pan. frying it in butter sounds delicious, but i still never do that cuz the pan always fills itself up with the bacon grease. then i make fried rice with the bacon and the grease. throw in some chopped onions (also cooked in the bacon grease), chopped collard greens, mushrooms, and shallots. omfg. Don't forget to throw some kids in there.
Go away troll.
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Zurich15325 Posts
I thought it was funny But I am easily amused when on a caffeine high.
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I think Eshlow may have missed the joke. It IS early.
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On October 12 2012 22:43 JingleHell wrote:
I think Eshlow may have missed the joke. It IS early.
For a split second I thought it was tied to your comment about bacon splattering around your kid but then I chuckled.
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I thought it was funny too :O
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I'm guessing eshlow's brain, on autopilot at a weird hour, just assumed it was a new "vegan on a mission" suggesting that eating meat is like eating babies.
It HAS been a couple of weeks since we had one, after all. We're kinda due.
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