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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On May 13 2012 12:49 eshlow wrote: Oh great more straw mans. How about we just leave this topic alone if you're not going to try to educate on anything and just mischaracterize everything. Lol. The pot calling the kettle black. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On May 13 2012 19:50 ElizarTringov wrote: Yeah lets leave it alone, we would not want the straws to add up to a haystack. Ah yes, the guy who got temp banned for trolling. Glad you can contribute something useful to the thread. Same to you, sir. If you "know so much" but can't "inform us" without spewing logical fallacies, then there's no real point to discussion. I actually tried to be reasonable in my last few posts, but if that's the way you guys wanna play it just stay out of the thread because you're wasting everyone's time. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On May 13 2012 11:47 Heh_ wrote: All those stuff I've mentioned allow massive boosting of crop yields, year after year. There's nothing wrong with using fertilizers; it's a form of technology that can be exploited to greatly boost crop yields. Growing random stuff and calling it "Paleo" isn't gonna feed people. If you want to run a monoculture, you're gonna run into all those problems you're complaining about. If you want to let whatever random shit grow, you're gonna have low yields and run into difficulties harvesting. Do you know what's going on in other parts of the world? A billion people having difficulties putting food in their mouths. Any kind of food, mind you. We're not talking about poor people who can't afford to eat proper food. I can tell you of an alternative starch-based food that is key to alleviating malnutrition in Africa: cassava. Good luck finding other stuff. How the heck are cows any more terrible than other farm animals? They're all herbivores and eating meat is naturally more inefficient than eating plants. Unless you consider methane to somehow "reduce" yields. I just said people are dying of starvation, idk if you can't read or are just a troll. The point is your argument about farming techniques is not relevant. The problem of starvation and hunger worldwide is one of logistics (the food is not in the right place at the right time), not one of quantity. We could switch to plants that are better for us and have the same quantity available. Other animals have a lower impact on the environment and create higher yields. Cattle are a very inefficient source of meat, it's why they are not really raised in great quantity outside of select areas (typically places with lots of very flat, empty land). | ||
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Sovern
United States312 Posts
Also, the reasons why people didnt die from many of todays diseases is because they didnt live as long. Most people didnt make it past 30 when hunting/gathering played a big role in survival. I just got done eating some oat grains actually and checked the nutiritional facts and its loaded with vitamins, I dont know of many vegtables and/or fruits that have as many vitamins as a serving of grains. I'm sorry if some people view this post as an attempt at trolling but to me personally, calling grains the main source of disease in todays society and calling them unhealthly are extremely laughable and I find it humerous that people actually believe anything what they read on the internet without using logic as to why people didnt die from diseases that are caused primarly by aging when the average life expenctency in the hunter/gather days was under 30. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
btw the avg life expectancy for hunter gatherers are so low is because a huge percentage die before 5 years old. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On May 17 2012 08:59 AoN.DimSum wrote: how are grains good when it causes my eczema? what nutrients does grains have that veggies dont? btw the avg life expectancy for hunter gatherers are so low is because a huge percentage die before 5 years old. not to mention you died if you caught a flue or any common sickness the only reason we eat grains today is: Its cheap to produce and buy (which is needed to feed 7 billion people) | ||
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Sovern
United States312 Posts
On May 17 2012 08:59 AoN.DimSum wrote: how are grains good when it causes my eczema? what nutrients does grains have that veggies dont? btw the avg life expectancy for hunter gatherers are so low is because a huge percentage die before 5 years old. Ever hear of food allergies? I want to see some proof of your claim of why the average life expectancy of hungers/gathers was low because the average age of death was before age 5. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On May 17 2012 09:37 Sovern wrote: Ever hear of food allergies? I want to see some proof of your claim of why the average life expectancy of hungers/gathers was low because the average age of death was before age 5. Death at birth or in infant stages were ridiculously high as early as 100 years ago. Even so much more in the times before the word medicine or drugs were invented | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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Miyoshino
314 Posts
But the point is, if you need to gather your own food from nature, you can't overeat. Today many many people don't get any exercise at all. And you can buy tons and tons of delicious high calorie foods at the supermarket. We are hardcoded to crave high calorie food and eat as much of it as fits in our stomach. And our stomach will even stretch and when it is empty enough, you will feel the need to fill it. That's how people are unhealthy today. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20090 Posts
On May 17 2012 08:38 Sovern wrote: Grains are very rich in nutrients and grains have a very rich taste with lots of variations when it comes to taste. I guess you guys also dont enjoy a good beer considering most of them are made with grains. Grains is to food what beer is to alcohol, both have an amazing taste and a lot of possibly variations that add to their natural flavor. Adding honey to oats for example tend to give them a nice smooth buttery subtle texture and give the highs a nice mellow natural sweet flavor and the lows a creamier honey like grain texture. It also leaves a pleasant sweet and oaty after taste. Also, the reasons why people didnt die from many of todays diseases is because they didnt live as long. Most people didnt make it past 30 when hunting/gathering played a big role in survival. I just got done eating some oat grains actually and checked the nutiritional facts and its loaded with vitamins, I dont know of many vegtables and/or fruits that have as many vitamins as a serving of grains. I'm sorry if some people view this post as an attempt at trolling but to me personally, calling grains the main source of disease in todays society and calling them unhealthly are extremely laughable and I find it humerous that people actually believe anything what they read on the internet without using logic as to why people didnt die from diseases that are caused primarly by aging when the average life expenctency in the hunter/gather days was under 30. Nobody argued whether or not grains taste good. That is purely preference. Beer is awesome. It's also not very good for you. The age thing has already been talked about in this thread. (or maybe the vegetarian one?) Fruits and veggies are packed with vitamins, i dont know what you're talking about. And most grains have vitamins artificially added to them for that nutritional value, they dont come that way. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
where is ur evidence solvern? | ||
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Miyoshino
314 Posts
The highest life expectancy today is in Japan. The reason is their diet. They eat fish, vegetables, rice, beans, seaweed, seafood and they do it in small portions. Pretty much the anti-thesis of what the early humans and homonids in Africa ate. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On May 25 2012 05:40 Miyoshino wrote: It doesn't really matter how old people on the African savannah could become. The highest life expectancy today is in Japan. The reason is their diet. They eat fish, vegetables, rice, beans, seaweed, seafood and they do it in small portions. Pretty much the anti-thesis of what the early humans and homonids in Africa ate. lol, grasping for straws... Longevity is only a subset of health, and doesn't define all of what "health" is. However, I'll refute the point anyway. Recent studies show that longevity has very strong genetic components, especially in centenarians. http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2011/07/20/science.1190532 Genes predict longevity with 77% accuracy... Of course, behavioral modifications like diet and exercise still matter. You still need a good diet, and fish is a good quality protein and omega 3 fat source just like any other grass fed animals are. | ||
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Miyoshino
314 Posts
This hits the fundamental idea of Paleo. If it were right, the food the Japanese eat must be the least healthy because it's the least like paleo people's diet. Talk about drawing at straws. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20090 Posts
On May 25 2012 08:20 Miyoshino wrote: Yes, but the genetic variation favouring old age in Japanese or any other people will be the same, you silly. This hits the fundamental idea of Paleo. If it were right, the food the Japanese eat must be the least healthy because it's the least like paleo people's diet. Talk about drawing at straws. They eat healthy meats, fruits, and vegetables. That sounds exactly like what paleo endorses. Many smokers grow to be over 100 years old http://www.forces.org/evidence/hamilton/other/oldest.htm Since longevity is evidence of health should we all pick up smoking? | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On May 25 2012 08:48 AoN.DimSum wrote: I'm really not sure why there is so much hate for eating meat and vegetables... I dunno... maybe he's a vegetarian | ||
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Miyoshino
314 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4732 Posts
Yes, but the genetic variation favouring old age in Japanese or any other people will be the same, you silly. This hits the fundamental idea of Paleo. If it were right, the food the Japanese eat must be the least healthy because it's the least like paleo people's diet. Talk about drawing at straws. Maybe he likes science and dislikes conspiracy theories. Anyway, your airheadedness was funny 5 years ago decaf. It's 2012 now and your clowning now got annoying. You are really trying hard to get yourself banned again here. | ||
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