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because from where I'm looking this looks EXACTLY like really small mafia when I started accusing you and you came out all defensive like you are now
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On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)
A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.
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On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote:
The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy.
Apologies if this has been asked already.
Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid?
Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy".
Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"?
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@Rayn. Your townread on JJD... You got some essplainin to do.
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On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: Show nested quote +In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Here is the post in question: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie
lol.
Terrible.
Remember Nuclear Winter where I pushed a mislynch on gumshoe for doing dick all the whole game?
His plaing his heart out or lurking is completely alignment non-indicative and I said so earlier. That post you quoted in green is not a meta case, and you are awful or scum for thinking that I would dare make one as such.
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On February 26 2014 12:36 geript wrote:
@Rayn. Your townread on JJD... You got some essplainin to do.
This post and especially the green part reads really townie to me:
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...
in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.
Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.
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[/QUOTE]Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.
But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.
Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.[/QUOTE]
Funny, I red that post the entirely different direction because of how aware of how scummy he'd appear for sheeping that case.
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On February 26 2014 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Here is the post in question: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie lol. Terrible. Remember Nuclear Winter where I pushed a mislynch on gumshoe for doing dick all the whole game? His plaing his heart out or lurking is completely alignment non-indicative and I said so earlier. That post you quoted in green is not a meta case, and you are awful or scum for thinking that I would dare make one as such.
Don't you dare to come tell me you are not aware of gumshoe's meta because in last couple of games as i just pointed out you have correctly identified his alignment while he has been making equally "scummy" posts than he has in this game. You cherrypick on some irrelevant part in one of his posts and regardless of if you know his meta or not (which you btw do - and don't even try to bring up some 6 month old game) the case is so fucking awful i don't even know what to say. How about you don't comment on the meta part because it's "no you" as neither of us can 100% prove being wrong on it but instead comment on the case you made that is fucking terrible.
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On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: Show nested quote +In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Here is the post in question: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie
Meta flys both ways Rayn, to play devils advocate, as much as I have a habit of shoddy play as town, you have one for lynching me as scum/wrong townie. You are also a fairly terrific player who is aware of his own meta and history, a history in which as scum you destroyed me and as town you were wrong about me. By positioning yourself on my side and smacking my attackers, you lend yourself a silent authority, quietly asserting to the rest of town that your on the right side. Problem is I'm not sure if Wos is scum for his actions.
He might just be really frustrated with me(last game we played was a lurk I believe) While I will give you the credit of quickly grasping my townieness in several games, I cant help but feel your posturing is too perfect. Afterall, if I can abuse my meta why cant you? If we assume your scum, this case buys you town rep(defending the meek and pushing bullys) secures a mislynch, makes a potential ally out of me and plays to your meta. It's a far better move than just pushing me as well cause gumshoe. Do you think youd be capable of something like this Rayn?
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geript i don't get what you are saying....
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So much anger up in this bish. Can't well all just roast marshmallows and sing Koombiya
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On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying....
Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective.
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To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...
in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.
Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.
Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
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gumshoe of course i would be capable of doing something like that as scum. However that does not make me mafia. I actually know very well how you post as town and having played with you in GSL as mafia and as we talked in TS during the game i know how you operate as scum.
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On February 26 2014 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Here is the post in question: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie lol. Terrible. Remember Nuclear Winter where I pushed a mislynch on gumshoe for doing dick all the whole game? His plaing his heart out or lurking is completely alignment non-indicative and I said so earlier. That post you quoted in green is not a meta case, and you are awful or scum for thinking that I would dare make one as such. Don't you dare to come tell me you are not aware of gumshoe's meta because in last couple of games as i just pointed out you have correctly identified his alignment while he has been making equally "scummy" posts than he has in this game. You cherrypick on some irrelevant part in one of his posts and regardless of if you know his meta or not (which you btw do - and don't even try to bring up some 6 month old game) the case is so fucking awful i don't even know what to say. How about you don't comment on the meta part because it's "no you" as neither of us can 100% prove being wrong on it but instead comment on the case you made that is fucking terrible.
I never said I'm not aware of his meta, but the post you quoted is not me commenting on it.
Him posting a paragraph this early into D1 doesn't prove anything at all about his alignment, and if you honestly think I should call him town for a meta read based on his posting so far DESPITE the fact that he is very obviously aware of what his meta shows as town or scum (as can be seen from his recent scumgame AND YOUR OWN POSTING ABOUT HIM) then I don't even know what to say.
And again the fact that YOU would dare think I of all people would base a read on gumshoe solely on meta is absolutely fucking terrible. I never have and never will do that.
Case dismissed Rayn, it's shit and I'm moving on.
Now as far as what I commented on gumshoe, you are linking it to my 'knowledge of his meta,' instead of taking it solely in the context of this game, so until you do that, I have nothing to say to you.
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As in, I don't give a frak what I look like as town because I'm fraking town. Like it's a really weird perspective to think, "no but it'd be super scummy for me to sheep that terrible of a case" as coming from town because who as town is seriously concerned with their image that much. It's what you do that matters as town and not how it looks.
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On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying.... Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective.
Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me.
Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff?
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Wave is mafia because he is not commenting on the important part of my case which has nothing to do with gumshoe's meta.
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On February 26 2014 12:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Here is the post in question: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie lol. Terrible. Remember Nuclear Winter where I pushed a mislynch on gumshoe for doing dick all the whole game? His plaing his heart out or lurking is completely alignment non-indicative and I said so earlier. That post you quoted in green is not a meta case, and you are awful or scum for thinking that I would dare make one as such. Don't you dare to come tell me you are not aware of gumshoe's meta because in last couple of games as i just pointed out you have correctly identified his alignment while he has been making equally "scummy" posts than he has in this game. You cherrypick on some irrelevant part in one of his posts and regardless of if you know his meta or not (which you btw do - and don't even try to bring up some 6 month old game) the case is so fucking awful i don't even know what to say. How about you don't comment on the meta part because it's "no you" as neither of us can 100% prove being wrong on it but instead comment on the case you made that is fucking terrible. I never said I'm not aware of his meta, but the post you quoted is not me commenting on it. Him posting a paragraph this early into D1 doesn't prove anything at all about his alignment, and if you honestly think I should call him town for a meta read based on his posting so far DESPITE the fact that he is very obviously aware of what his meta shows as town or scum (as can be seen from his recent scumgame AND YOUR OWN POSTING ABOUT HIM) then I don't even know what to say. And again the fact that YOU would dare think I of all people would base a read on gumshoe solely on meta is absolutely fucking terrible. I never have and never will do that. Case dismissed Rayn, it's shit and I'm moving on.
Now as far as what I commented on gumshoe, you are linking it to my 'knowledge of his meta,' instead of taking it solely in the context of this game, so until you do that, I have nothing to say to you.
So are you going to be Back to Basics Rayn this game?
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