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And why is your vote still on gumshoe. I guarantee you he is town. Even if i am mafia that's a 100% read.
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According to you, if suki thinks gumshoe could be town she has no reason to respond in a rage to his post. Or is that solely something that's supposed to come from me because I know gumshoe's meta?
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On February 26 2014 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 13:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I see absolutely no reason why he should be assuming that suki's posting is either coming from a scummy place or a bad towny place at all, and to me that shows a scum mindset of setting the stage of placing her in a bad light/misrepresenting what she does. He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. Scum agenda, very clearly.
Well he has commented on this and explained his thought process which reads very clear to me. Yet you have nothing to say about the explanation but the original action instead? I literally respond to his post here. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh and by martyr-y post I meant gumshoe's, if that wasn't clear. The over-defensive 'woe is me I'ma get mislynched' I find is usually more likely to come from town (or scum jaybrundage), but yeah, gonna go read a scumgame. On February 26 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote:
As for accusations regarding meta, my post on Suki talked about how I felt the post wasn't made a long time in Advance ( because it was careless) but felt crafted, she had to have thought about the Harry potter thing at least , it's a somewhat complicated thought, not really a spur of the moment one . I then supplemented the read with meta.
Same with toad, his serius change in tone felt abrupt, it felt odd, especially after a very serious scum game, so I tried to think of a motivation for it. I always combine and justify my reads with a combination of substance and meta, the substance provides actus reus , the meta providing men's reus. I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias. Whoa, this shoe has claws. Where do you get confirmation bias from anything I've said? And my 'lurker attack' of you has nothing to do with me coming up with a scumread on you at first that is now threatening to devolve. Please stop talking about how easy of a mislynch you are, because you're just going to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. And Rayn, as I said before, you don't have marv to back you up here with baseless shit so you're gonna have to try harder than that if you want me to swing this time around. His response isn't good enough for me on its own, especially because it doesn't address the problem I have with that post of his to begin with. Saying a post is 'crafted' on its own is silly; what would it being a forethought have to say about suki's alignment to begin with, and even then every post is 'crafted' to some degree. I also mention multiple times that I don't appreciate his use of meta here; specifically how he bases his reads heavily on mindset that he believes people should have 'coming off of their last game.' Your vote can stay on me for all I care Rayn, but my vote stays on gumshoe until I feel better about him.
Crafted( very deliberate purposeful game call back) but sloppy(easily called out by Mocsta) made me think it was planned in a quick span of time, a mafia role pm would be ample motivation for production of such a rough intro post. The arguments not bad, just not necessarily right, but it is there / : also as for the two options I shoe horned her in, you imply both are bad and serve as a trap, they dont, theres no motivation for trapping her into an answer if those answers arent scummy. I picked those two because they seemed most likely and would provide more discussion than "I'm just having fun".
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On February 26 2014 13:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why is your vote still on gumshoe. I guarantee you he is town. Even if i am mafia that's a 100% read.
To spite you at this point I suppose.
I'm coming around to him but let me get there on my own. Find scum, not reasons to push town gumshoe on me.
Now if I'm wrong about suki (which knowing my newbie reads I very well could be), you think that she didn't respond to gumshoe because he is right?
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On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying.... Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective. Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me. Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff?
I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.
The suki case was bad.
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On February 26 2014 13:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
According to you, if suki thinks gumshoe could be town she has no reason to respond in a rage to his post. Or is that solely something that's supposed to come from me because I know gumshoe's meta?
No i am saying i do think it's odd that you don't find it odd that a case that is really bad to you doesn't seem any bad to suki, who is the target of the case. Usually townies, when facing a bad case against them call it bad and are very vocal about it, especially when we are talking about suki here, who calls all the cases against her bad when she is town.
So this is not odd at all to you?
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On February 26 2014 13:25 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 13:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I see absolutely no reason why he should be assuming that suki's posting is either coming from a scummy place or a bad towny place at all, and to me that shows a scum mindset of setting the stage of placing her in a bad light/misrepresenting what she does. He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. Scum agenda, very clearly.
Well he has commented on this and explained his thought process which reads very clear to me. Yet you have nothing to say about the explanation but the original action instead? I literally respond to his post here. On February 26 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh and by martyr-y post I meant gumshoe's, if that wasn't clear. The over-defensive 'woe is me I'ma get mislynched' I find is usually more likely to come from town (or scum jaybrundage), but yeah, gonna go read a scumgame. On February 26 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote:
As for accusations regarding meta, my post on Suki talked about how I felt the post wasn't made a long time in Advance ( because it was careless) but felt crafted, she had to have thought about the Harry potter thing at least , it's a somewhat complicated thought, not really a spur of the moment one . I then supplemented the read with meta.
Same with toad, his serius change in tone felt abrupt, it felt odd, especially after a very serious scum game, so I tried to think of a motivation for it. I always combine and justify my reads with a combination of substance and meta, the substance provides actus reus , the meta providing men's reus. I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias. Whoa, this shoe has claws. Where do you get confirmation bias from anything I've said? And my 'lurker attack' of you has nothing to do with me coming up with a scumread on you at first that is now threatening to devolve. Please stop talking about how easy of a mislynch you are, because you're just going to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. And Rayn, as I said before, you don't have marv to back you up here with baseless shit so you're gonna have to try harder than that if you want me to swing this time around. His response isn't good enough for me on its own, especially because it doesn't address the problem I have with that post of his to begin with. Saying a post is 'crafted' on its own is silly; what would it being a forethought have to say about suki's alignment to begin with, and even then every post is 'crafted' to some degree. I also mention multiple times that I don't appreciate his use of meta here; specifically how he bases his reads heavily on mindset that he believes people should have 'coming off of their last game.' Your vote can stay on me for all I care Rayn, but my vote stays on gumshoe until I feel better about him. Crafted( very deliberate purposeful game call back) but sloppy(easily called out by Mocsta) made me think it was planned in a quick span of time, a mafia role pm would be ample motivation for production of such a rough intro post. The arguments not bad, just not necessarily right, but it is there / : also as for the two options I shoe horned her in, you imply both are bad and serve as a trap, they dont, theres no motivation for trapping her into an answer if those answers arent scummy. I picked those two because they seemed most likely and would provide more discussion than "I'm just having fun".
There is, as I said earlier, discrediting a townie can often be the first step towards a mislynch.
Same question I asked to Rayn though---do you think her refusal to outright address you properly and provide the 'more discussion' you wanted is scummy?
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And don't start the 100% shit. I don't take it at face value even when marv does it.
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On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying.... Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective. Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me. Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff? I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it. The suki case was bad.
First day man, we bring up bad cases(which they almost all are at this point) then move on or evolve those cases. The only people who are scared of working through possibilities are scum, because it incriminates them and brings town closer to the truth. Also if you want you can sheep wos's complaints with the Suki's case, otherwise back up your declarations of war.
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On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...
in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.
Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about. I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?
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On February 26 2014 13:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying.... Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective. Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me. Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff? I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it. The suki case was bad. First day man, we bring up bad cases(which they almost all are at this point) then move on or evolve those cases. The only people who are scared of working through possibilities are scum, because it incriminates them and brings town closer to the truth. Also if you want you can sheep wos's complaints with the Suki's case, otherwise back up your declarations of war. Trying to move on. I'm being questioned about it.
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On February 26 2014 13:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying.... Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective. Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me. Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff? I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it. The suki case was bad. First day man, we bring up bad cases(which they almost all are at this point) then move on or evolve those cases. The only people who are scared of working through possibilities are scum, because it incriminates them and brings town closer to the truth. Also if you want you can sheep wos's complaints with the Suki's case, otherwise back up your declarations of war.
So which cases are not bad so far today?
Do you have a scumread yet?
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On February 26 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:25 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 13:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I see absolutely no reason why he should be assuming that suki's posting is either coming from a scummy place or a bad towny place at all, and to me that shows a scum mindset of setting the stage of placing her in a bad light/misrepresenting what she does. He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. Scum agenda, very clearly.
Well he has commented on this and explained his thought process which reads very clear to me. Yet you have nothing to say about the explanation but the original action instead? I literally respond to his post here. On February 26 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh and by martyr-y post I meant gumshoe's, if that wasn't clear. The over-defensive 'woe is me I'ma get mislynched' I find is usually more likely to come from town (or scum jaybrundage), but yeah, gonna go read a scumgame. On February 26 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote:
As for accusations regarding meta, my post on Suki talked about how I felt the post wasn't made a long time in Advance ( because it was careless) but felt crafted, she had to have thought about the Harry potter thing at least , it's a somewhat complicated thought, not really a spur of the moment one . I then supplemented the read with meta.
Same with toad, his serius change in tone felt abrupt, it felt odd, especially after a very serious scum game, so I tried to think of a motivation for it. I always combine and justify my reads with a combination of substance and meta, the substance provides actus reus , the meta providing men's reus. I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias. Whoa, this shoe has claws. Where do you get confirmation bias from anything I've said? And my 'lurker attack' of you has nothing to do with me coming up with a scumread on you at first that is now threatening to devolve. Please stop talking about how easy of a mislynch you are, because you're just going to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. And Rayn, as I said before, you don't have marv to back you up here with baseless shit so you're gonna have to try harder than that if you want me to swing this time around. His response isn't good enough for me on its own, especially because it doesn't address the problem I have with that post of his to begin with. Saying a post is 'crafted' on its own is silly; what would it being a forethought have to say about suki's alignment to begin with, and even then every post is 'crafted' to some degree. I also mention multiple times that I don't appreciate his use of meta here; specifically how he bases his reads heavily on mindset that he believes people should have 'coming off of their last game.' Your vote can stay on me for all I care Rayn, but my vote stays on gumshoe until I feel better about him. Crafted( very deliberate purposeful game call back) but sloppy(easily called out by Mocsta) made me think it was planned in a quick span of time, a mafia role pm would be ample motivation for production of such a rough intro post. The arguments not bad, just not necessarily right, but it is there / : also as for the two options I shoe horned her in, you imply both are bad and serve as a trap, they dont, theres no motivation for trapping her into an answer if those answers arent scummy. I picked those two because they seemed most likely and would provide more discussion than "I'm just having fun". There is, as I said earlier, discrediting a townie can often be the first step towards a mislynch. Same question I asked to Rayn though---do you think her refusal to outright address you properly and provide the 'more discussion' you wanted is scummy?
It's easy to feel threatened as town, from her perspective she might have felt the only thing we would garner out of the conversation was a mislynch. Just as easily she could have been scum dodging. Also have you also considered that she was having the same argument with Moc, and didn't feel like having the same conversation twice?
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gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia?
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You know what Rayn, I'll trust you. I just remembered something about you that I remembered earlier but you made me respond to your shitcase and I forgot it.
On February 26 2014 13:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia?
I'm pretty sure that gumshoe said scum OR nervous/baiting.
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Yes that's why i am asking him about this now.
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On February 26 2014 13:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia?
It wouldn't, it would just get her to talk, which is something that asking "hey suki you maf?" would not acomplish. People on tl mafia always go ham with thier cases, I bilieve there is a middle route, that works partly because mafia are more likely to adress a non threatening case that most greens ,secure in their townieness, would choose not to.
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No actually Wave there is something behind this that i don't understand and gumshoe needs to explain. He is saying different things.
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On February 26 2014 13:39 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia? It wouldn't, it would just get her to talk, which is something that asking "hey suki you maf?" would not acomplish. People on tl mafia always go ham with thier cases, I bilieve there is a middle route, that works partly because mafia are more likely to adress a non threatening case that most greens ,secure in their townieness, would choose not to.
But I thought it wasn't a 'trap?'
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