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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 04:42 GMT
#541
On February 26 2014 13:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?


Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:43 GMT
#542
On February 26 2014 13:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No actually Wave there is something behind this that i don't understand and gumshoe needs to explain. He is saying different things.

Oh I'm still committed to getting to the bottom of this but I'm more comfortable with YOU right now.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 04:43 GMT
#543
On February 26 2014 13:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:39 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia?


It wouldn't, it would just get her to talk, which is something that asking "hey suki you maf?" would not acomplish. People on tl mafia always go ham with thier cases, I bilieve there is a middle route, that works partly because mafia are more likely to adress a non threatening case that most greens ,secure in their townieness, would choose not to.

But I thought it wasn't a 'trap?'


The options arent traps, theyre just discussion, there is no trap, only the generation of contribution.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 04:43 GMT
#544
Okay so gumshoe:

  • First you say "suki is either mafia or A or B"
  • Then you say "i wanted to ask about A or B because they would be scummy answers and there is no reason to ask about townie answers"
  • Now you say "actually answering A or B would not make her scum at all"


Now how does any of this make any sense?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 04:44 GMT
#545
Like that's what you literally say and everything contradicts the last thing you say...
Why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 04:47 GMT
#546
No fuck.. Damn your posts are hard to read gumshoe. Wait a sec, i gotta read all of this crap again.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:48 GMT
#547
On February 26 2014 13:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No fuck.. Damn your posts are hard to read gumshoe. Wait a sec, i gotta read all of this crap again.

This is how I feel trying to delve into Geript's thought process.
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Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
February 26 2014 04:48 GMT
#548
On February 26 2014 13:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like that's what you literally say and everything contradicts the last thing you say...
Why?


You can read your own analysis of him from, like, a page ago and get an answer.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 04:49 GMT
#549
On February 26 2014 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so gumshoe:

  • First you say "suki is either mafia or A or B"
  • Then you say "i wanted to ask about A or B because they would be scummy answers and there is no reason to ask about townie answers"
  • Now you say "actually answering A or B would not make her scum at all"


Now how does any of this make any sense?


1: in that first post, I asked her to respond, the a or b were just options I wanted to see her react to. You make it sound like I was just stating something, whereas the point was always to gleam info from her, otherwise I wouldnt have asked her which option.

2: When did I say they would be scummy answers 0_0.

3: Again never said that, methinks your misunderstanding me, point is this. I found something wierd, I asked myself what motivations were available for wierd behaviur, and wanted to hear how she reacted, at the time perfectly willing to consider her scum or town based off the merit of her answers and continued contribution. End of story. I you got jangled in my words, I apologize / :. Thats kinda what happens when you have to explain something over and over again.

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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 04:50 GMT
#550
On February 26 2014 13:42 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?


Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him.
I'd say I'm leaning town on him and he's either misguided or trying to pressure me to see my reaction.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 26 2014 04:51 GMT
#551
On February 26 2014 13:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:42 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?


Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him.
I'd say I'm leaning town on him and he's either misguided or trying to pressure me to see my reaction.

Explain
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 04:51 GMT
#552
On February 26 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No fuck.. Damn your posts are hard to read gumshoe. Wait a sec, i gotta read all of this crap again.

This is how I feel trying to delve into Geript's thought process.


I can understand what Geript is saying, the problem is when you get to the core of it, hes really not saying much ) :
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 26 2014 04:52 GMT
#553
On February 26 2014 13:51 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No fuck.. Damn your posts are hard to read gumshoe. Wait a sec, i gotta read all of this crap again.

This is how I feel trying to delve into Geript's thought process.


I can understand what Geript is saying, the problem is when you get to the core of it, hes really not saying much ) :

Explain
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 04:53 GMT
#554
Okay let's go from the beginning.
gumshoe, when you made this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

..did you think suki is scummy or not?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:54 GMT
#555
On February 26 2014 13:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:32 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying....

Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective.

Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me.
Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff?

I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.


First day man, we bring up bad cases(which they almost all are at this point) then move on or evolve those cases. The only people who are scared of working through possibilities are scum, because it incriminates them and brings town closer to the truth. Also if you want you can sheep wos's complaints with the Suki's case, otherwise back up your declarations of war.

So which cases are not bad so far today?

Do you have a scumread yet?

Gumshoe?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2014 04:54 GMT
#556
Lol you're under a lot of pressure atm.
Answer mine when you can, get to the other stuff first.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 04:55 GMT
#557
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 26 2014 04:57 GMT
#558
On February 26 2014 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in.

I don't even know where to start with this. Like, I don't see that at all.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 05:00 GMT
#559
On February 26 2014 13:52 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:51 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No fuck.. Damn your posts are hard to read gumshoe. Wait a sec, i gotta read all of this crap again.

This is how I feel trying to delve into Geript's thought process.


I can understand what Geript is saying, the problem is when you get to the core of it, hes really not saying much ) :

Explain


The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy.


Long tangent under the assumption that Toad actually thinks Rayn is town for no reason 0_0 it's early game trolling man, what the hell are you taking it at face value for.

I honestly haven't looked seriously at either of you. One of his posts threw me off a bit. Why do you care about my read on you?


What kind of a turnaround is this? Townies look for other townies reactions to major events, dont see why you question her for it.

A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.


Same crap about Toad 'buddying' rayn but now 4 lines longer.


It's like some of the same reasoning for why I'm still scum on Toad (regarding the JJD comment). Like, Toad hasn't ever said that his townread on you then was baiting and I don't believe his was counter-trolly. So coming from that perspective it feels really odd that his defense of why I'm red on Toad is that post hoc townread on you is because of how you didn't respond to it. I mean your townread on him initially seemed super trolly so no scum would take that seriously for an reason. But the counter townread makes complete sense as scum especially on Rayn who's one of the "names" in this game. Like, apparently it looks like I ignored the millers thing because well, not important; I do understand the miller read which makes me feel better about toad. It's just how it's panning out doesn't feel like town on town to me.


2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially.
3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type.


MORE OF THE SAME THING, how much effort are you going to sink into a conversation that means virtually nothing?

Almost all of your posting concerns this one exchange, that realistically gleans nada regarding alignment. Yet at a glance, your filter looks packed and well reasoned, while in reality it is the opposite.

Whats your read on Jar?

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 05:00 GMT
#560
Well geript, you interpretation of me <-> Toad exchange is a big pile of i don't even know what but you are clearly not on the same page with us and your case on JJD is based on him talking about himself when he is actually talking about gumshoe which is in fact very easy to see if you read the post in question in context.
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