|
On February 26 2014 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well geript, you interpretation of me <-> Toad exchange is a big pile of i don't even know what but you are clearly not on the same page with us and your case on JJD is based on him talking about himself when he is actually talking about gumshoe which is in fact very easy to see if you read the post in question in context.
That's not the point. The point is that he's aware of 'scumminess" but not pushing anything in either direction. IDK, I just don't get you Rayn.
|
On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not?
I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left.
|
On February 26 2014 14:03 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well geript, you interpretation of me <-> Toad exchange is a big pile of i don't even know what but you are clearly not on the same page with us and your case on JJD is based on him talking about himself when he is actually talking about gumshoe which is in fact very easy to see if you read the post in question in context. That's not the point. The point is that he's aware of 'scumminess" but not pushing anything in either direction. IDK, I just don't get you Rayn.
He clearly says gumshoe is scummy for sheeping Mocsta's bad case. no?
|
On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not? I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left.
Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything.
Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread.
Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve?
What happens if suki answers (a)?
What happens if suki answers (b)?
What happens if she answers something else?
In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)?
|
Rayn if gumshoe is 100% town (and presumably your earlier scumreads in that list seem to be based on other people jumping on him) where does that put JJD?
|
On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not? I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left. Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything. Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread. Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve? What happens if suki answers (a)? What happens if suki answers (b)? What happens if she answers something else? In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)?
I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand.
|
On February 26 2014 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn if gumshoe is 100% town (and presumably your earlier scumreads in that list seem to be based on other people jumping on him) where does that put JJD?
I retract from my townread on gumshoe. 
|
On February 26 2014 14:10 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not? I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left. Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything. Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread. Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve? What happens if suki answers (a)? What happens if suki answers (b)? What happens if she answers something else? In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)? I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand.
Okay two questions:
1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason?
2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why?
|
I'm impressed by the high post count just within 5 hours, currently just skimmed to see if geript has posted his townie seal. He hasn't. He's scum. Now back to reading.
|
On February 26 2014 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn if gumshoe is 100% town (and presumably your earlier scumreads in that list seem to be based on other people jumping on him) where does that put JJD? I retract from my townread on gumshoe.
Well that's stupid.
What about your own meta shit on him?
|
On February 26 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:10 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not? I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left. Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything. Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread. Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve? What happens if suki answers (a)? What happens if suki answers (b)? What happens if she answers something else? In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)? I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand. Okay two questions: 1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason? 2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why?
1) Eh. Not necessarily true.
2) Am interested in answer.
|
On February 26 2014 14:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn if gumshoe is 100% town (and presumably your earlier scumreads in that list seem to be based on other people jumping on him) where does that put JJD? I retract from my townread on gumshoe. Well that's stupid. What about your own meta shit on him?
I thought i knew what he was doing, apparently i didn't.
Also my read on Mocsta or anyone has nothing to do with their read on gumshoe (like i don't do connection cases - i didn't think yo uare scum because you think my townread is scum).
|
Of course (1) is true Wave. As town you can always explain why you do stuff.
|
On February 26 2014 14:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn if gumshoe is 100% town (and presumably your earlier scumreads in that list seem to be based on other people jumping on him) where does that put JJD? I retract from my townread on gumshoe. Well that's stupid. What about your own meta shit on him? I thought i knew what he was doing, apparently i didn't. Also my read on Mocsta or anyone has nothing to do with their read on gumshoe (like i don't do connection cases - i didn't think yo uare scum because you think my townread is scum).
So big coincidence that me and Mocsta were two people to have attacked gumshoe at that point?
|
On February 26 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:10 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not? I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left. Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything. Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread. Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve? What happens if suki answers (a)? What happens if suki answers (b)? What happens if she answers something else? In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)? I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand. Okay two questions: 1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason? 2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why?
1) I am reactive, not proactive, at points in the game I run through filters and find scummy things and build cases around them. Traps, well pointed questions, pressure, is not my forte, when I ask questions, my only goal is to create content, so long as I can get people talking I feel that thier alignment will reveal itself overtime regardless of the discussion itself. This is how I've always played, an answer to a question for me is not a fork in the river, but rather a random water toy sunk to the bottom of a wave pool.
2) She chose not to answer, which puts her at null. As the games goes on, I will probally look back at her reactions and try and put two and two together. At the moment shes not here, so not much to go on.
|
On February 26 2014 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course (1) is true Wave. As town you can always explain why you do stuff.
But I appreciate gumshoe's answer to that---sometimes you're just following a train of thought and you're trying to get a specific answer with a specific question. I do that all the time.
|
On February 26 2014 14:19 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:10 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not? I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left. Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything. Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread. Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve? What happens if suki answers (a)? What happens if suki answers (b)? What happens if she answers something else? In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)? I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand. Okay two questions: 1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason? 2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why? 1) I am reactive, not proactive, at points in the game I run through filters and find scummy things and build cases around them. Traps, well pointed questions, pressure, is not my forte, when I ask questions, my only goal is to create content, so long as I can get people talking I feel that thier alignment will reveal itself overtime regardless of the discussion itself. This is how I've always played, an answer to a question for me is not a fork in the river, but rather a random water toy sunk to the bottom of a wave pool. 2) She chose not to answer, which puts her at null. As the games goes on, I will probally look back at her reactions and try and put two and two together. At the moment shes not here, so not much to go on.
1) Okay so you are trying to create content with your questioning. Now why did you think asking some random questions is a better way to create content than asking about her scumreads?
2) See (1). Also how can you look at her reactions to this particular happening "later on" when you don't know what to expect in the first place?
|
EBWOP: *not trying to get a specific answer
|
Like the purpose of your post i quoted in the first place is totally unclear to me.
You don't think suki is mafia, yet you say she looks scummy.
You ask her questions, which do not help you in any way.
You don't expect anything, and when she does something that says nothing you get nothing out of it.
What was the point of the post in your opinion?
|
The question is what was gumshoe's train of thought that led him to ask those questions? The lack of followup can be explained by suki not responding then leaving but there's that feeling of being left high and dry.
I'm done pursuing gumshoe for now---if he keeps up this activity I believe his alignment will be pretty evident.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
