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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 05:29 GMT
#581
The problem is there seems to be no train of thought..
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 06:11:05
February 26 2014 05:30 GMT
#582
Votecount

Mocsta (2) - suki, Holyflare

geript (1) - Toadesstern

JarJarDrinks (1) - Geript

gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet

Toadesstern (0) - Geript

suki (0) - WaveofShadow

Not Voting - gumshoe, Ange777, Cavalinho, JarJarDrinks, TheChyz, Vivax, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, WaveofShadow



Mocsta is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in .
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 26 2014 05:31 GMT
#583
Typo seen ^ *gumshoe is currently set to be lynched*. Just found that funny since so much talk has been about him
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 05:32 GMT
#584
On February 26 2014 14:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:19 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:10 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay let's go from the beginning.
gumshoe, when you made this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

..did you think suki is scummy or not?


I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left.

Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything.
Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread.
Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve?
What happens if suki answers (a)?
What happens if suki answers (b)?
What happens if she answers something else?

In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)?


I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand.


Okay two questions:
1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason?
2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why?


1) I am reactive, not proactive, at points in the game I run through filters and find scummy things and build cases around them. Traps, well pointed questions, pressure, is not my forte, when I ask questions, my only goal is to create content, so long as I can get people talking I feel that thier alignment will reveal itself overtime regardless of the discussion itself. This is how I've always played, an answer to a question for me is not a fork in the river, but rather a random water toy sunk to the bottom of a wave pool.

2) She chose not to answer, which puts her at null. As the games goes on, I will probally look back at her reactions and try and put two and two together. At the moment shes not here, so not much to go on.

1) Okay so you are trying to create content with your questioning. Now why did you think asking some random questions is a better way to create content than asking about her scumreads?
2) See (1). Also how can you look at her reactions to this particular happening "later on" when you don't know what to expect in the first place?


1: Because I found Moc innocent (her primary scum read cause omgbus) and I assumed she could make us aware of her other reads at her leisure, whereas the questions I asked her, while generic, where very specific to the thread I was talking at the time and would not go answered if not asked. They felt like natural extensions of the argument I was raising. I wasnt sure what answer to expect, but I did want one, like a dog wants a belly rub that never ends.

2: No idea what your saying here, but ill take a shot, my lack of ability in predicting what people will say and guiding their answers has nothing to do with my ability to make reads off what they already said.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 05:36 GMT
#585
Okay i agree with Wave. Let's do something else than question gumshoe about this, idk what to think, maybe time will tell.

TheChyz you seem to think JJD is mafia, why?
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 05:40 GMT
#586
On February 26 2014 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the purpose of your post i quoted in the first place is totally unclear to me.
You don't think suki is mafia, yet you say she looks scummy.
You ask her questions, which do not help you in any way.
You don't expect anything, and when she does something that says nothing you get nothing out of it.

What was the point of the post in your opinion?


The purpose of the post was to see how other people reacted and to share my thoughts on Suki at the time. Also you make it sound like I think Suki is great all of a sudden, shes not, I consider people townie already but Suki is null on that spectrum, which means she did not prove her towniness to me in our exchange, but also did not give me any reason to tunnel her. Oh and The questions dont help me, it was the answers I was counting on and who says I didnt expect anything? I'm always hopeful.

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TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 26 2014 05:42 GMT
#587
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 05:42 GMT
#588
On February 26 2014 13:51 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:42 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?


Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him.
I'd say I'm leaning town on him and he's either misguided or trying to pressure me to see my reaction.

Explain
Explain what exactly?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 05:43 GMT
#589
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image.

That's totally not what he is saying.
I am amazed how anyone who actually reads the post and the rest of the page it was posted in with any thought can think like this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 05:45 GMT
#590
TheChyz; if you think that's what he is saying why don't you think he is mafia?
You just said there is a mafia motivation but no town motivation so why is JJD not mafia then?
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Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
February 26 2014 05:45 GMT
#591
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image.


Why is it that you don't think he's mafia, but you think he's scummy? Are mafia and scum two different entities?
Spectaticle
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 05:47 GMT
#592
I think the real question you need to ask yourself Rayn is this, if I'm scum, what do I gain by flip flopping? If suki's town, I just keep pushing her, makes me look consistent and helpful, if Suki's scum why bus her in the first place only to flip flop?

Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 05:48 GMT
#593
On February 26 2014 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image.

That's totally not what he is saying.
I am amazed how anyone who actually reads the post and the rest of the page it was posted in with any thought can think like this.

I even expounded on it:
On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.

TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 26 2014 05:49 GMT
#594
NVM on the JJD case. I'm retarded and kept thinking he was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe. I also don't call him mafia cause 1 scummy thing from a person doesn't mean they are mafia.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 05:50 GMT
#595
On February 26 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote:
I think the real question you need to ask yourself Rayn is this, if I'm scum, what do I gain by flip flopping? If suki's town, I just keep pushing her, makes me look consistent and helpful, if Suki's scum why bus her in the first place only to flip flop?

Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript.

I don't know. I have no idea what would your goal be from any perspective tbh.. That's why i don't push it further. It does not answer anything, jsut raises more question that will never be answered because you are gumshoe.

I don't know what exactly do you mean with "dense" on geript, but yeah, he's quite meh atm.. I find it very unlikely he would read the thread and people's intentions this carelessly as town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 05:51 GMT
#596
On February 26 2014 14:49 TheChyz wrote:
NVM on the JJD case. I'm retarded and kept thinking he was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe. I also don't call him mafia cause 1 scummy thing from a person doesn't mean they are mafia.

Actually yes it does.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 05:51 GMT
#597
On February 26 2014 14:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote:
I think the real question you need to ask yourself Rayn is this, if I'm scum, what do I gain by flip flopping? If suki's town, I just keep pushing her, makes me look consistent and helpful, if Suki's scum why bus her in the first place only to flip flop?

Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript.

I don't know. I have no idea what would your goal be from any perspective tbh.. That's why i don't push it further. It does not answer anything, jsut raises more question that will never be answered because you are gumshoe.

I don't know what exactly do you mean with "dense" on geript, but yeah, he's quite meh atm.. I find it very unlikely he would read the thread and people's intentions this carelessly as town.


dense means dumb.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 26 2014 05:52 GMT
#598
On February 26 2014 14:45 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image.


Why is it that you don't think he's mafia, but you think he's scummy? Are mafia and scum two different entities?


This. Although I'm not sure Chyz's incompetence in his past few posts translates to guilt, unless he feels unreasonably pressured.
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 05:54 GMT
#599
On February 26 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote:
Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript.
What do you think he's being dense about? Just the thing w/ my quote? ANd how do you know he's not being helpful? Are you reading me as town?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 05:57 GMT
#600
gumshoe why did you ask me about geript? I think i have pretty clearly stated what i think of geript before you asked.
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