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raynpelikoneet
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gumshoe
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On February 26 2014 12:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe of course i would be capable of doing something like that as scum. However that does not make me mafia. I actually know very well how you post as town and having played with you in GSL as mafia and as we talked in TS during the game i know how you operate as scum. Fair point, any accusation against you is preliminary right now at best. I agree with you WOS's posting is a bit shit, but I think he made some of those posts to get the ball rolling, something he does as town. his behaviour atm is proactive, something I dont want to lose right now, if hes scum hell give us more to work with. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Games a cluster for me right now and gumshoe tugged at the right heartstrings. Sigh. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On February 26 2014 09:56 Toadesstern wrote: you honestly think either a mafia-rayn or mafia-Toad would let that situation slip by? He said and I said Yes I'm pretty sure rayn would be over this if he was mafia. How do you come to the conclusion that it's a thing mafia would want to say because you make it look like you're not voting me out of confusion. It's like some of the same reasoning for why I'm still scum on Toad (regarding the JJD comment). Like, Toad hasn't ever said that his townread on you then was baiting and I don't believe his was counter-trolly. So coming from that perspective it feels really odd that his defense of why I'm red on Toad is that post hoc townread on you is because of how you didn't respond to it. I mean your townread on him initially seemed super trolly so no scum would take that seriously for an reason. But the counter townread makes complete sense as scum especially on Rayn who's one of the "names" in this game. Like, apparently it looks like I ignored the millers thing because well, not important; I do understand the miller read which makes me feel better about toad. It's just how it's panning out doesn't feel like town on town to me. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 26 2014 12:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bad AtE defense. Try again. Don't need to defend. Your case is awful and there is no way in hell that'll get me lynched. Actually you know, I'll even give you a gift despite the fact that whatever I say won't be good enough for you as per always. See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. See the bolded? That's linked to your idea that my whole case on gumshoe is based on meta. I've already shown it's not, and it's awful that you would even think it is. As for the first part, I see absolutely no reason why he should be assuming that suki's posting is either coming from a scummy place or a bad towny place at all, and to me that shows a scum mindset of setting the stage of placing her in a bad light/misrepresenting what she does. He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. Scum agenda, very clearly. Now gumshoe's posting since that point has been better but his insistence of bringing up his own meta (and looking into GSL) is clouding my ability to use my normal reads. If you think I shouldn't be using games from 6 months ago, Rayn, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LET ME ATTEMPT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE'S DOING THIS GAME RATHER THAN USE META. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 26 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote: I'm prob treating you differently because I think you are town and thats my way of dealing with you whether right or wrong.Ok, I'll humour you. Explain to me why you get all on wave for posting his gumshoe policy meaningless post and telling him how if he's town he isn't being conducive to finding gumshoe's alignment but then the past page and a half of your filter is all self-meta posts and chastising me for having a scum read on you (peppered slightly with gumshoe/suki stuff)? What kind of environment are you trying to create and if it's a townies best interest to glean information from others sensible posts why are you berating me instead of questioning why I have those reads? I fail to see from any of this why its mafia mindset specific. I haven't read RSM since we played it, so no idea if its reminiscent I doubt it given my care factor for that game was zilch. As I said in my first post, I had high hopes for this game when I got my town pm. Then I lost my phone in the train tracks which put a considerable dent into the day. Am I making an emotional play here, no I am not. Im am merely giving context for where my care factor is today even given my shitty start to the day. Hot Tip, its pretty high. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 26 2014 12:35 Mocsta wrote: Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
My case on Wave is that he made a terrible case on gumshoe based on some scenario gumshoe "should have thought about as town" when in fact if he didn't think about it he possibly couldn't have thought about it in the first place. That's making something out of nothing, especially considering how gumshoe posts as town - yes, he makes all sorts of mistakes like this. For reference: In Extractor trick mafia gumshoe has even said "rayn claimed cop as town but not because of what he is saying but because of something else". Yes, that's our gumshoe. <3 | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 26 2014 13:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I see absolutely no reason why he should be assuming that suki's posting is either coming from a scummy place or a bad towny place at all, and to me that shows a scum mindset of setting the stage of placing her in a bad light/misrepresenting what she does. He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. Scum agenda, very clearly. Well he has commented on this and explained his thought process which reads very clear to me. Yet you have nothing to say about the explanation but the original action instead? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote: A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. Reeaaalllly rubbing me the wrong way with this. Do you remember my start in our most recent scumgame together? Do you also remember how many times you have made similar posts towards me in the past and they have been wrong? (Please don't make me go look them all up---suffice it to say you say shit like this all the time, and up until the last game we've played together I was always town.) I also want to talk to you about this JJD/Toad business but I gotta finish with Rayn and my attention is divided. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. And this is very much bullshit because it's impossible as if suki is a "good-towny" she'll disagree and get into argument with gumshoe. | ||
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geript
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@Moc 1 Because there aren't millers. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Maybe Holyflare got it.  | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On February 26 2014 13:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Reeaaalllly rubbing me the wrong way with this. Do you remember my start in our most recent scumgame together? Do you also remember how many times you have made similar posts towards me in the past and they have been wrong? (Please don't make me go look them all up---suffice it to say you say shit like this all the time, and up until the last game we've played together I was always town.) I also want to talk to you about this JJD/Toad business but I gotta finish with Rayn and my attention is divided. 1 Not really no 2 So now you see why I'm not voting for you currently Sure wubby take your time. I wanted to get your opinion on JJD to see what you had on him. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 26 2014 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well he has commented on this and explained his thought process which reads very clear to me. Yet you have nothing to say about the explanation but the original action instead? I literally respond to his post here. On February 26 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and by martyr-y post I meant gumshoe's, if that wasn't clear. The over-defensive 'woe is me I'ma get mislynched' I find is usually more likely to come from town (or scum jaybrundage), but yeah, gonna go read a scumgame. Whoa, this shoe has claws. Where do you get confirmation bias from anything I've said? And my 'lurker attack' of you has nothing to do with me coming up with a scumread on you at first that is now threatening to devolve. Please stop talking about how easy of a mislynch you are, because you're just going to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. And Rayn, as I said before, you don't have marv to back you up here with baseless shit so you're gonna have to try harder than that if you want me to swing this time around. His response isn't good enough for me on its own, especially because it doesn't address the problem I have with that post of his to begin with. Saying a post is 'crafted' on its own is silly; what would it being a forethought have to say about suki's alignment to begin with, and even then every post is 'crafted' to some degree. I also mention multiple times that I don't appreciate his use of meta here; specifically how he bases his reads heavily on mindset that he believes people should have 'coming off of their last game.' Your vote can stay on me for all I care Rayn, but my vote stays on gumshoe until I feel better about him. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 26 2014 13:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: And this is very much bullshit because it's impossible as if suki is a "good-towny" she'll disagree and get into argument with gumshoe. Or she'll ignore it like you said I apparently do when gumshoe and I are both town, hmmm? META | ||
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WaveofShadow
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gumshoe
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On February 26 2014 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case is unclear to someone: My case on Wave is that he made a terrible case on gumshoe based on some scenario gumshoe "should have thought about as town" when in fact if he didn't think about it he possibly couldn't have thought about it in the first place. That's making something out of nothing, especially considering how gumshoe posts as town - yes, he makes all sorts of mistakes like this. For reference: In Extractor trick mafia gumshoe has even said "rayn claimed cop as town but not because of what he is saying but because of something else". Yes, that's our gumshoe. <3 Dont hate me cause I'm beautiful : P Is anybody finding Geript really hard to read? His thoughts feel really convoluted, and I really hate stuff like this. Mental note: Rayn and Toad very unlikely to be scum together. This is the opposite of scum hunting, he allows for 1 scum 1 town, 2 town, but not 2 scum. Whenever hes called out on this 'read' he only has to explain why they cant both be scum, not why one of them is, an explanation that really doesnt put him at risk at all, and doesn't help town in almost any way. Later on he gets to do just that. A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one The neutrality of the post also allows him to swing either way as he pleases, he pressures toad(offering no evidence for doing so at the time), but still bothers rayn @Rayn. Your townread on JJD... You got some essplainin to do. (Note, Geript could you go into detail on your jj read?) Also his eventual case on toad is just awful. It's like some of the same reasoning for why I'm still scum on Toad (regarding the JJD comment). Like, Toad hasn't ever said that his townread on you then was baiting and I don't believe his was counter-trolly. So coming from that perspective it feels really odd that his defense of why I'm red on Toad is that post hoc townread on you is because of how you didn't respond to it. I mean your townread on him initially seemed super trolly so no scum would take that seriously for an reason. But the counter townread makes complete sense as scum especially on Rayn who's one of the "names" in this game. Like, apparently it looks like I ignored the millers thing because well, not important; I do understand the miller read which makes me feel better about toad. It's just how it's panning out doesn't feel like town on town to me. Toad is scum because he buddied with Rayn in a trolly way 0_o it's the first hour man, people troll then sober up, besides, do you honestly think Rayn would act oblivious to a scummy Toad just cause he was friendly? Do you think Toad would be dumb enough to ever think that? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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WaveofShadow
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On February 26 2014 13:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: So if gumshoe is mafia and suki is town as you are impyling here why is suki not making a big deal out of gumshoe's totally bullshit artificial scumread with bad reasoning on her? Because it doesn't seem as though suki thinks gumshoe is scummy. It doesn't matter what I think, it matters what she does for your meta bullshit to be right. | ||
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