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On February 26 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:So tram, if you can post try hard cases as either alignment, what significant reasoning do we have to believe that you are town this game? Why even post the caveat that you can do that as scum as well? Also or me making a good one because I felt I had to ( it's not that difficult to make anyone look scummy if you set your mind to it) and getting someone mislynched.
what does that mean??? Surely if you made a good one it would be on a scum...? That's a pretty martyr-y post. I dunno I'm starting to lean more towards sloppy townplay on gumshoe right now (and I'm also noting the involvement of JJD and Mocsta pushing gumshoe now) but I want to go look at his recent scumgame right now. HF if you had to make a call right now one way or the other, red or green?
black :OOOOO
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hmmm started off by wanting to write a case on Suki but now ended up as nullish.
Anyways for reference:
+ Show Spoiler +(1) On February 26 2014 09:08 suki wrote:
Hey guys, so I moved my thing that I had tonight to Wednesday day/night so I'm here now.
I had to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird but anyways I'm Harry Potter. My power is I can shoot ##spells at people and make them do things. If we lynch correctly I learn new spells.
Right now my spell list is:
##Expeliarmus - Makes target sheeping player provide reasoning on their vote otherwise they have to unvote. For me, if you want to fake claim, you just do it. "I am HP, I have #spells" blah blah . The addition of "having to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird" is verbose and the type of fluff I find people write to make themselves feel safe with a lie <--- indicative of a mafia mindset.
(2) On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
So are you saying I'm scummy? On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Scummiest so far, yes On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:
So then why isn't your vote on me? On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:
This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.-
And something I throw out as scum all the time.
Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.
Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote:
lol what.
##vote Mocsta
I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy.
Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). I've read this exchange a couple times and come to the same conclusion... null. I completely agree with what I wrote: "so then why isn't your vote on me?" is very passive aggressive for early Day1 and is a precursor to calling somebody scum. HOWEVER, I can't shake the feeling that Suki is retorting emotionally/personally -- which ties in with being called not Suki prior -- and thus makes me consider this is a townie going passive aggressive based on anger.
(3) The rest of the filter makes me lean town somewhat.
Im leaning towards I haven't communicated my position well, and Suki has interpreted me the wrong way.
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wave, why were you keen to hear responses about posts that came from mocsta etc but you didn't hesitate to put a vote on gumshoe before he had the chance to respond to anything?
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As for accusations regarding meta, my post on Suki talked about how I felt the post wasn't made a long time in Advance ( because it was careless) but felt crafted, she had to have thought about the Harry potter thing at least , it's a somewhat complicated thought, not really a spur of the moment one . I then supplemented the read with meta.
Same with toad, his serius change in tone felt abrupt, it felt odd, especially after a very serious scum game, so I tried to think of a motivation for it. I always combine and justify my reads with a combination of substance and meta, the substance provides actus reus , the meta providing men's reus. I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias.
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On February 26 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:So tram, if you can post try hard cases as either alignment, what significant reasoning do we have to believe that you are town this game? Why even post the caveat that you can do that as scum as well? Also or me making a good one because I felt I had to ( it's not that difficult to make anyone look scummy if you set your mind to it) and getting someone mislynched.
what does that mean??? Surely if you made a good one it would be on a scum...? That's a pretty martyr-y post. I dunno I'm starting to lean more towards sloppy townplay on gumshoe right now (and I'm also noting the involvement of JJD and Mocsta pushing gumshoe now) but I want to go look at his recent scumgame right now. HF if you had to make a call right now one way or the other, red or green?
U know as scum, when I want to get ppl off a scum buddy. I vote jump on them scummily.
Case in point: PYP with Johnnywup
In this game, I gave a sound reason for gumshoe.
Further, I agree completely after a re-read that his post for calling me town was opportunistic and lacking in detail.
Ironically I now prefer Chz position for calling me town.
You know, as scum my agenda is to infiltrate town. Thats my goal every game as scum.
As town, I dont have that care. Thats how you read me.
The fact that half this game think I am scum, in indicative of me pushing the buttons I DONT as scum.
My 6 scum games out of 8, should be indicative of this enough to be gospel.
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On February 26 2014 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: WaveofShadow
watz the sekret?
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Oh and by martyr-y post I meant gumshoe's, if that wasn't clear. The over-defensive 'woe is me I'ma get mislynched' I find is usually more likely to come from town (or scum jaybrundage), but yeah, gonna go read a scumgame.
On February 26 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote:
As for accusations regarding meta, my post on Suki talked about how I felt the post wasn't made a long time in Advance ( because it was careless) but felt crafted, she had to have thought about the Harry potter thing at least , it's a somewhat complicated thought, not really a spur of the moment one . I then supplemented the read with meta.
Same with toad, his serius change in tone felt abrupt, it felt odd, especially after a very serious scum game, so I tried to think of a motivation for it. I always combine and justify my reads with a combination of substance and meta, the substance provides actus reus , the meta providing men's reus. I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias.
Whoa, this shoe has claws.
Where do you get confirmation bias from anything I've said?
And my 'lurker attack' of you has nothing to do with me coming up with a scumread on you at first that is now threatening to devolve.
Please stop talking about how easy of a mislynch you are, because you're just going to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And Rayn, as I said before, you don't have marv to back you up here with baseless shit so you're gonna have to try harder than that if you want me to swing this time around.
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On February 26 2014 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: WaveofShadow
Is it for trolling all wrong?
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gumshoe is like really really town.
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On February 26 2014 12:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:So tram, if you can post try hard cases as either alignment, what significant reasoning do we have to believe that you are town this game? Why even post the caveat that you can do that as scum as well? Also or me making a good one because I felt I had to ( it's not that difficult to make anyone look scummy if you set your mind to it) and getting someone mislynched.
what does that mean??? Surely if you made a good one it would be on a scum...? That's a pretty martyr-y post. I dunno I'm starting to lean more towards sloppy townplay on gumshoe right now (and I'm also noting the involvement of JJD and Mocsta pushing gumshoe now) but I want to go look at his recent scumgame right now. HF if you had to make a call right now one way or the other, red or green? U know as scum, when I want to get ppl off a scum buddy. I vote jump on them scummily. Case in point: PYP with Johnnywup In this game, I gave a sound reason for gumshoe. Further, I agree completely after a re-read that his post for calling me town was opportunistic and lacking in detail. Ironically I now prefer Chz position for calling me town. You know, as scum my agenda is to infiltrate town. Thats my goal every game as scum. As town, I dont have that care. Thats how you read me. The fact that half this game think I am scum, in indicative of me pushing the buttons I DONT as scum. My 6 scum games out of 8, should be indicative of this enough to be gospel.
Ewwww self-meta analysis, Mocsta.
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On February 26 2014 12:03 geript wrote:Is it for trolling all wrong?
No it's for correctly describing gumshoe's meta and then making a really bad read that contradicts the meta he described.
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Mocsta what is your reason for voting gumshoe? Surely not just "marketing crap" post you made. You don't really explain it much.
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On February 26 2014 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:03 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: WaveofShadow Is it for trolling all wrong? No it's for correctly describing gumshoe's meta and then making a really bad read that contradicts the meta he described.
Are you going to show me how I did this?
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EBWOP:
ugh.. reasoning for voting for gumshoe contradicts the meta Wave brought up on gumshoe.
In other words, gumshoe plays directly to his town meta that Wave (correctly) described and now he is voting for him.
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On February 26 2014 12:03 geript wrote:Is it for trolling all wrong?
Also, stop that, you.
You do this every game and think you can read me based on my early game posts when you can't.
Or we're both scum 'cause I think you did similar stuff in Survivor.
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On February 26 2014 12:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
ugh.. reasoning for voting for gumshoe contradicts the meta Wave brought up on gumshoe.
In other words, gumshoe plays directly to his town meta that Wave (correctly) described and now he is voting for him.
I absolutely did not make a meta case on gumshoe Rayn.
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On February 26 2014 12:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:So tram, if you can post try hard cases as either alignment, what significant reasoning do we have to believe that you are town this game? Why even post the caveat that you can do that as scum as well? Also or me making a good one because I felt I had to ( it's not that difficult to make anyone look scummy if you set your mind to it) and getting someone mislynched.
what does that mean??? Surely if you made a good one it would be on a scum...? That's a pretty martyr-y post. I dunno I'm starting to lean more towards sloppy townplay on gumshoe right now (and I'm also noting the involvement of JJD and Mocsta pushing gumshoe now) but I want to go look at his recent scumgame right now. HF if you had to make a call right now one way or the other, red or green? U know as scum, when I want to get ppl off a scum buddy. I vote jump on them scummily. Case in point: PYP with Johnnywup In this game, I gave a sound reason for gumshoe. Further, I agree completely after a re-read that his post for calling me town was opportunistic and lacking in detail. Ironically I now prefer Chz position for calling me town. You know, as scum my agenda is to infiltrate town. Thats my goal every game as scum. As town, I dont have that care. Thats how you read me. The fact that half this game think I am scum, in indicative of me pushing the buttons I DONT as scum. My 6 scum games out of 8, should be indicative of this enough to be gospel.
I don't understand, what is the reason for this post? If we should all know your scum meta why would you need to point it out and describe it all to us? Isn't the fact that you "know" your meta a good enough reason to throw your meta out of the window now? This post just leads to wifom and I find it hard to see where your
"As town, I dont have that care. Thats how you read me."
aligns with you posting these defensive meta posts because the fact that you "needed" to post that infers that you do actually care what other people are thinking about you. If anything this is a more "infiltration" post because you're pointing out why you must be town, just like you tried to point it out with the JJD post earlier.
Me no likey you
##Vote Mocsta
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Also, why is my case better now (@Mocsta). Before you told me how "fallacious" it was. Why does it change now?
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On February 26 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:So tram, if you can post try hard cases as either alignment, what significant reasoning do we have to believe that you are town this game? Why even post the caveat that you can do that as scum as well? Also Show nested quote +or me making a good one because I felt I had to ( it's not that difficult to make anyone look scummy if you set your mind to it) and getting someone mislynched.
what does that mean??? Surely if you made a good one it would be on a scum...?
Nothing, honestly I'm just writing down my thoughts, it's not for me to decide if I look townie or not : P ask yourself why I'm saying whatever I say, and if what I'm saying is hurting town. Then decide for yourself what I am, all I'm going to do is respond honestly and write try hard cases as they occur to me, I'm not gonna be making up bullshit to save myself if that's what you expect of me.
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