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On February 05 2014 03:41 marvellosity wrote:
rayn & Artanis
When i came to the thread and saw the first thing from rayn I was like "what the shit is rayn doing now, he literally just summarised everything I said. Oh god is this scum rayn, there's no 3rd party and this isn't town rayn wth is going onnnnn" because it's so far removed from what he usually does.
Yet because he threw in this line in his response to your points on him I also decided before the game that i am going to be more passive and not a usual shithead who jumps on all the places. Yes, i would do that as mafia aswell, but that does not mean i am mafia. Also, this is the perfect game to start because i don't give a fuck if you lynch me because i can just shoot mafia. I instantly felt more aprehensive. Maybe this was his plan all along with posting that though because it took the edge off what I was thinking. I assumed it meant "post everything I'm thinking" which would correlate to what he has been doing.
Your last 2 points on him about having wrong reasons are like quintessential any alignment rayn though he just calls people scum/town with no reason all the time.
I liked the fact that he was trying to get you and DP to stop and actually start making cases because you were clogging up the thread with useless crap at that point, if he was mafia he'd perpetuate that or just sit back and let you get out of hand (something you even mentioned at the start would be great for scum).
On February 04 2014 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
CAN YOU BOTH JUST FUCKING STOP?
Make a case if you think the other one is mafia.
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You have clearly not read the thread Holyflare.
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On February 05 2014 03:58 Promethelax wrote:
I'm going to grab a bite to eat and wait for someone who isn't HF to be here. This is not a productive conversation.
Marv, when you get I'd like you to address my points on HF. If you find him townie I need some convincing, If you find him scummy lets lynch him.
HF please provide a list of your reads from towniest to scummiest
Lists are dumb.
Scummy people: Wave, Prome, Cephiro (haven't checked artanis enough to put him in any list yet)
Towny: Me, marv, probably add DP in here too now (not totally convinced on iamp because I haven't ever played with him)
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On February 05 2014 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have clearly not read the thread Holyflare.
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Midway through the thread but I wanted to post this first. Reads will come after I'm done with the thread
This seems obvious to me but it is pretty important
On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote:
The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically.
Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off.
Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Maybe Artanis is town and he's not going to bow to the will of the people, but if he's in danger of being lynched, it should be clear how and why his top suspect is, and we can go off that.
There isn't a LYLO in this game. Even if it is 3v2 and we mislynch, the player has the chance to kill a mafia and keep the game going. The only way the mafia can win is to stir up emotions in the town.
In fact this is why I don't think we should have people say who they would shoot. This paints a big target on their back for the mafia as "Should we push this guy" or "Should we take the pressure off of him".
After all to the mafia there is no difference between lynching a mafia, and lynching a town who would shoot mafia.
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I don't think marv's points point to you being scum and you have been asking questions so I don't think you're as scummy as marv makes out for you to be so why would I invest so much time into reading you more and more when I have 2 other people that I think are definitely more scummy?
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On February 05 2014 04:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have clearly not read the thread Holyflare. ?
This comment of yours:
When i came to the thread and saw the first thing from rayn I was like "what the shit is rayn doing now, he literally just summarised everything I said. Oh god is this scum rayn, there's no 3rd party and this isn't town rayn wth is going onnnnn" because it's so far removed from what he usually does.
That's not what i did. I thought you did intentionally provoke DP into raging and therefore asked marv about the post he made about DP. I had missed a comment of yours regarding your read on DP, and when i found it i understood what marv said and more importantly why he did say what he did.
But the thing i still don't get about you is why did you drop your scumread on DP?
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On February 05 2014 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 04:05 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2014 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have clearly not read the thread Holyflare. ? This comment of yours: Show nested quote +When i came to the thread and saw the first thing from rayn I was like "what the shit is rayn doing now, he literally just summarised everything I said. Oh god is this scum rayn, there's no 3rd party and this isn't town rayn wth is going onnnnn" because it's so far removed from what he usually does. That's not what i did. I thought you did intentionally provoke DP into raging and therefore asked marv about the post he made about DP. I had missed a comment of yours regarding your read on DP, and when i found it i understood what marv said and more importantly why he did say what he did. But the thing i still don't get about you is why did you drop your scumread on DP?
On February 04 2014 17:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:I did not like Holyflare at all in the beginning. It felt like he was doing the same thing to DarthPunk that Artanis did to me as scum in the NMM, which was to piss me off for no reason. Which brings me to this: marv, you made this post: Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote:
The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically.
Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off.
Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Maybe Artanis is town and he's not going to bow to the will of the people, but if he's in danger of being lynched, it should be clear how and why his top suspect is, and we can go off that.
So if I assume you're town, DP, then whatever it takes for this not to happen is what you gotta do. Because I'm not having tits throw this game away because they're pissed off and they want to shoot people. In your opinion, is it only DP who is to "blame" here? Why d you think it's only DP that needs to calm down and not Holyflare who needs to not provoke people in a way that he KNOWS pisses them off? That being said i like his recent posting much more. Prome most likely mafia. His top 2 contributions are: 1) "Those two guys who are asleep atm, at least one of them is scum because everyone else seems town" 2) "I'd like to talk more about Holyflare, but after i say this i never talk about Holyflare."
On February 04 2014 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave could you explain your stances on Artanis and DP? I am not following you here.
That's what i'm referring to. My case on wave was him not making sense and my case on prome (regardless of whether his cephiro mislynch post was a joke or not) was that he was lynching lurkers (cephiro over you rayn for no reason). So your first posts of the game looked really fishy to me as they were so close to what I had already said.
DP is a case of too much legitimate rage to be scum. He's literally arguing with me and marv over the most lame shit over and over again and when it get's too heated it's "lynch me i don't care i'll shoot you". That would be -1 mafia and he'd be shooting the guy that he "thinks" is scummy so that wouldn't make any sense. You can argue that his rage is fake and he wouldn't shoot marv etc but I don't think it is.
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That being said, I still think wave adding me to his "top 3 scum suspects" despite agreeing with me on almost everything to do with artanis is single handedly the most weird thing in the thread.
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Like my thought process would be.
Oh Holyflare said some good points about artanis ("vote artanis"), I think artanis is scummy so holyflare is probably right etc etc +town points for pointing it out and discussion!
Oh, some rage is going on in thread, someone asked me who my reads are let's respond!
Hmm, sooo, the guy that actually started some discussion and made me vote for who i am voting for is probably a + in my books rather than scummy, then there's the afkers and the guy i'm voting for sooooo yeh that guy who made me vote for my target is ok in my books
that would be logical, however, out of nowhere BAM holy/artanis/dp???????????????????
On February 04 2014 13:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
you missed the thread a bit there. Which makes me feel better given how many times I've already almost posted in their game.
WoS: will you play along? You liked my thought that the posters so far felt townie. Which of the players who have posted feels the least townie? Artanis, HF, mebbe DP. I don't like giving iamp a townread because I feel he hasn't contributed much but I give him one anyway for 'feels+' reasons. You're probably somewhere above DP level right now, on towny side of null.
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On February 05 2014 04:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 05 2014 04:05 Holyflare wrote:On February 05 2014 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have clearly not read the thread Holyflare. ? This comment of yours: When i came to the thread and saw the first thing from rayn I was like "what the shit is rayn doing now, he literally just summarised everything I said. Oh god is this scum rayn, there's no 3rd party and this isn't town rayn wth is going onnnnn" because it's so far removed from what he usually does. That's not what i did. I thought you did intentionally provoke DP into raging and therefore asked marv about the post he made about DP. I had missed a comment of yours regarding your read on DP, and when i found it i understood what marv said and more importantly why he did say what he did. But the thing i still don't get about you is why did you drop your scumread on DP? Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 17:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:I did not like Holyflare at all in the beginning. It felt like he was doing the same thing to DarthPunk that Artanis did to me as scum in the NMM, which was to piss me off for no reason. Which brings me to this: marv, you made this post: On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote:
The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically.
Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off.
Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Maybe Artanis is town and he's not going to bow to the will of the people, but if he's in danger of being lynched, it should be clear how and why his top suspect is, and we can go off that.
So if I assume you're town, DP, then whatever it takes for this not to happen is what you gotta do. Because I'm not having tits throw this game away because they're pissed off and they want to shoot people. In your opinion, is it only DP who is to "blame" here? Why d you think it's only DP that needs to calm down and not Holyflare who needs to not provoke people in a way that he KNOWS pisses them off? That being said i like his recent posting much more. Prome most likely mafia. His top 2 contributions are: 1) "Those two guys who are asleep atm, at least one of them is scum because everyone else seems town" 2) "I'd like to talk more about Holyflare, but after i say this i never talk about Holyflare." Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave could you explain your stances on Artanis and DP? I am not following you here. That's what i'm referring to. My case on wave was him not making sense and my case on prome (regardless of whether his cephiro mislynch post was a joke or not) was that he was lynching lurkers (cephiro over you rayn for no reason). So your first posts of the game looked really fishy to me as they were so close to what I had already said.DP is a case of too much legitimate rage to be scum. He's literally arguing with me and marv over the most lame shit over and over again and when it get's too heated it's "lynch me i don't care i'll shoot you". That would be -1 mafia and he'd be shooting the guy that he "thinks" is scummy so that wouldn't make any sense. You can argue that his rage is fake and he wouldn't shoot marv etc but I don't think it is.
Okay, but my case on Prome was not the same things you said. I did not say "he wants to lynch lurkers", i said he can't possibly justify townreads on other people based on what has happened in thread. I also do not think you talked about his stance on you in your case. Unless you meant the one half arsed comment he made about you after that? Then my apologies but you were not being clear enough. I was talking about the fact that he wanted other people to talk more about you but never really seemed to have any interest in doing so or leading the discussion that way.
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Like I get what you're saying but I don't think you are scum at the moment so why are we still discussing this rather than discussing about other people that are more likely to be scum?
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Yes you are right HF, Wave's reasoning for his reads is weird.
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Prome, Artanis, Wave. read on Cephiro is pending.
Other people seem more or less town.
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Post Prome's comeback i could not understand a single thing he said, he just... flung some words somewhere...
Post Wave's comeback he said pretty much nothing and suddenly had a scumread on me based on me "doing nothing"???
Artanis' posts were just.. terrible.
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Someone requested a rules clarification on mafia's win-condition.
The game ends in a mafia victory when the following two conditions are fulfilled:
1) The # of Mafia is greater than or equal to the # of Town.
2) The town has no possible way to change the balance back in its favor.
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Man this thread was an aweful read. So much egos and rage.
I just made a few notes on some people who are important I guess
+ Show Spoiler [DP] +DP WoS seem too buddy buddy to me.
DP is really defensive
Dp is really mad, seems a little overblown and fake to me. Then again he may just be Mad
+ Show Spoiler [WoS] +Seems too interested in making friends.
Pops a push on DP out of nowhere, keep in mind DP is probably going to death shot HFI also don't like how he is trying to tie DP/HF together
Otherwise he talks about artanis which is one of the strangest cases off of spam I have ever seen
##Vote: WoS
+ Show Spoiler [HF] +Just stirring up things (Which is bad). IE what he did as town in Titanic
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On February 05 2014 04:59 LSB wrote:Man this thread was an aweful read. So much egos and rage. I just made a few notes on some people who are important I guess + Show Spoiler [DP] +DP WoS seem too buddy buddy to me.
DP is really defensive
Dp is really mad, seems a little overblown and fake to me. Then again he may just be Mad Seems too interested in making friends.
Pops a push on DP out of nowhere, keep in mind DP is probably going to death shot HFI also don't like how he is trying to tie DP/HF together
Otherwise he talks about artanis which is one of the strangest cases off of spam I have ever seen
Just stirring up things (Which is bad). IE what he did as town in Titanic
This post comes to no conclusions and your vote on WoS is really odd given the reasoning you are giving. Your points on DP are really odd and say he could be either alignment..? Your points on me have no basis either because I'm actually pointing out things rather than stirring. You also leave out everyone else, why are these 3 people the most important to you? x_x
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Votecount
Artanis[Xp] (2) - Holyflare, WaveofShadow, marvellosity
WaveofShadow (2) - Holyflare, LSB
Holyflare (1) - Artanis[Xp], DarthPunk
marvellosity (1) - WaveofShadow, DarthPunk
raynpelikoneet (0) - marvellosity
DarthPunk (0) - Holyflare, iamperfection, DarthPunk, marvellosity
Promethelax (0) - DarthPunk
Not Voting - raynpelikoneet, Promethelax, Cephiro
If any votes have been missed, please let us know!
With 9 players remaining, 5 votes are required to lynch.
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On February 05 2014 04:07 LSB wrote:Midway through the thread but I wanted to post this first. Reads will come after I'm done with the thread This seems obvious to me but it is pretty important Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote:
The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically.
Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off.
Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Maybe Artanis is town and he's not going to bow to the will of the people, but if he's in danger of being lynched, it should be clear how and why his top suspect is, and we can go off that. There isn't a LYLO in this game. Even if it is 3v2 and we mislynch, the player has the chance to kill a mafia and keep the game going. The only way the mafia can win is to stir up emotions in the town. In fact this is why I don't think we should have people say who they would shoot. This paints a big target on their back for the mafia as "Should we push this guy" or "Should we take the pressure off of him".After all to the mafia there is no difference between lynching a mafia, and lynching a town who would shoot mafia.
This is why people should at the very least be shooting into a pool of people. For example if I got lynched (roflcopter) I would be shooting between my 7-8-9 type thing. There's no reason for people not to be indicating who they would shoot, because who they would shoot = scumreads and that could get quite silly... ;p
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