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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
February 04 2014 17:48 GMT
#561
On February 05 2014 02:45 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:37 marvellosity wrote:
He's just had 3/4 games as mafia and he hates mafia as you probably know.

His play here is... well, just flick through his filter yourself. It's both nonsense AND flat.

So is your case on Artanis pure meta?

No. Read his posts. That is my evidence beyond meta.

Narp, not quite following.
Explain?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 17:48 GMT
#562
Which it has, incidentally.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 17:49 GMT
#563
On February 05 2014 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 02:45 marvellosity wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:37 marvellosity wrote:
He's just had 3/4 games as mafia and he hates mafia as you probably know.

His play here is... well, just flick through his filter yourself. It's both nonsense AND flat.

So is your case on Artanis pure meta?

No. Read his posts. That is my evidence beyond meta.

Narp, not quite following.
Explain?

Well you go to page 1

and you click on his filter

and you read his posts

and you go "gosh darnit, that looks awful! marv was right!"

then you come back to the thread

and you go "wow marv, you so cute, I want to touch your bum"

and I go "maybe later Wave, but I'm glad you managed to read"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
February 04 2014 17:50 GMT
#564
I guess. I just found his second post in combination with that one more trying to look like he cares while that first post in SMB was a hard don't-give-a-fuck post which read quite townie.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
February 04 2014 17:54 GMT
#565
On February 05 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:45 marvellosity wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:37 marvellosity wrote:
He's just had 3/4 games as mafia and he hates mafia as you probably know.

His play here is... well, just flick through his filter yourself. It's both nonsense AND flat.

So is your case on Artanis pure meta?

No. Read his posts. That is my evidence beyond meta.

Narp, not quite following.
Explain?

Well you go to page 1

and you click on his filter

and you read his posts

and you go "gosh darnit, that looks awful! marv was right!"

then you come back to the thread

and you go "wow marv, you so cute, I want to touch your bum"

and I go "maybe later Wave, but I'm glad you managed to read"

Narp.
Explain please?
I don't go for this 'you should know,' business.
(ie if I have a townread on you right now it's not because I 'should have one by now,' or you're obvious town and everyone should know that)
I'd like to hear it from the mouth that is connected to the sexy bum.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 17:55 GMT
#566
On February 04 2014 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't understand why so much discussion has arisen on my mafia claim. It was clearly in jest. It's sort of an inside joke though; Rayn always counterclaims what I claim on voice, so I claim mafia in thread with the attempt of making him counterclaim it for funsies as well as being a conversation starter. The intent wasn't to have 15 pages littered with people calling it non alignment indicative though, so sorry 'bout that.

I like HF's comments regarding Wave. Rayn mentioned that you can't really meta him because his last scum game was 9 months ago, but if a game is different enough from his usual towngame then that's a point that points towards scumminess. Him finding HF and myself scummy despite agreeing with HF's initial remark is, to put it in scummarv words, smelly.

Speaking of Marv, I'm curious why you find Rayn scummy for what he's poking at. The Rayn I know likes to poke at everything and tends to just post a lot. I like the point regarding his inconsistency between thinking there are clearly reads to be made yet not supplying any, though.

Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 23:22 Cephiro wrote:
Back home and briefly read through the thread. I still have some things to take care of, so I will post my thoughts later on in the evening. I like the content available so far, although some back and forth's were taken too far and lost their usefulness in my opinion.

Automatic + for everyone that isn't rushing to get a lynch done too quickly.

What is the purpose of this post? What content do you like? Why did you feel the need to post a comment without any content?
I don't understand.

Specifically this post.

Paragraph 1: some explanation that means nothing. Fine, whatever.
Paragraph 2: He finds Wave scummy maybe? Smelly? But it speaks in general terms "if a game" - not Wave's game,"a" game.
Paragraph 3: he's "curious" why I find rayn scummy. Why is he curious? I explained clearly in my case on rayn and in followup posts precisely why I was suspicious of rayn. What does his curiosity of me mean for my alignment? He even says he likes one of my points on rayn, yet is curious. He follows up this point with a whole series of wishy washy posts about "point 2 and 3" of my case that he never quotes and eventually backs weirdly down from.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkk
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 17:56 GMT
#567
It's basically a quintessential mafia post that has a few paragraphs that actually say nothing at all and/or the things that are said are said oddly.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
February 04 2014 17:57 GMT
#568
Also the introduction to the third stanza of that post is really odd in my head.

'Speaking of marv, which we weren't, I really wanted to make a point about this thing because I have so totes been reading the thread'
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 17:59 GMT
#569
Yeah. I guess when I read Artanis' filter I think

Going through the motions
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 18:00 GMT
#570
Like in all seriousness I just came off a fucking tough mafia game. And look at how i'm playing here. I'm fucking ecstatic I'm town, and that's obvious (well, not to DP, but you get the point)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
February 04 2014 18:03 GMT
#571
marv. I doubt you'll listen to me on this but you should, DP doesn't need to be antagonized anymore. He is probably town and he is liable to explode due to rage. At the end of the game you can bring it up that DP does not know how to read you as town or scum and that is fine but it isn't doing anything to benefit this town here and now. DP doesn't need it. You don't need it. More importantly the thread really doesn't need it.

Let DP calm down and just ignore him unless you actually need to call him scum, mmmkay?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 18:05 GMT
#572
For someone who has me as their top 3/4 list of scum (Promethelax) and I've been his pretty much only non-lurker scummy target he sure is interested in talking to/about me isn't he?

On February 05 2014 02:32 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:29 Promethelax wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:10 marvellosity wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:09 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 19:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 04 2014 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
How do I know? You just made some weird nitpicky thing about a post I made, and said Prome is mafia when he probably isn't. Very bleh.

Yeah and you didn't even care to answer me.
You said "mafia benefits from chaos and whatever shit", then you call DP out for it when it was clearly Holyflare who caused the thing in the first place. So yes, i want to know why it's only DP's "fault". And now you are being a bitch and doing the same thing here, and i have no fucking idea why.


I cared to fall asleep though.

Early game is early game. Like you I'm bored of DP going on about his bullshit with Artanis' entrance. I tried, halfheartedly, to change the direction of the conversation onto HF. This game has felt like one with an end day shennanie scum lynch. And the players who haven't done anything to strike me as townie are: HF/Rayn/Ceph/Art of those three I like Artanis most on a personal level and find him easiest to read (I have no idea how I would read Ceph as I've never played with him) so I'd rather like to lynch one of the other three guys.

Bold and red don't really go together. Try again.


I have not had the chance to read him yet so at this point I'd prefer not to lynch him.

Probably better to read people before offering opinions on who you want to lynch, hmm darling?


I read everything he posted and had found it not alignment indicative. Given that it was ~6 hours into d1 I figured I'd keep the guy I liked more and would wait for him to show up to have a chit chat with and see if I could read him. Not like I'm advocating a lynch of anyone RIGHT NOW. I'm advocating a lynch of one of these four dudes and placing pressure on the ones I know less well/have a harder time reading. I see no issue here, why do you?


You'd think if his original suspicion was on 2 lurkers (rayn/cephiro) and Artanis he can read with interaction. Then surely the only person he CAN talk about is me??? Yet, he just says half of my case on him was a joke (even though another half still stands but he discredits it wholly) and fails to talk about my other case. In fact he doesn't say ANYTHING about me for the entirety of the game yet I am still in his list. Just because "I've done this with Gonzaw".
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 18:07 GMT
#573
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 04 2014 18:10 GMT
#574
On February 05 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave.

I think it's pretty clear what you are saying in that paragraph but, just to clarify:
Do you think DP is mafia or not?
table for two on a tv tray
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
February 04 2014 18:12 GMT
#575
Okay, HF is scum because the only thing which makes him town is his rage inducing interactions with DP which is something he has very recently proved he is able to do.

There are things which make 5 players town. PoE three of the other four are scum.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 18:20 GMT
#576
On February 05 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave.

I think it's pretty clear what you are saying in that paragraph but, just to clarify:
Do you think DP is mafia or not?


I'll have to re-read him thoroughly but from what I got on my run through and what I was thinking after things cooled down, probably not.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 18:25 GMT
#577
On February 05 2014 03:12 Promethelax wrote:
Okay, HF is scum because the only thing which makes him town is his rage inducing interactions with DP which is something he has very recently proved he is able to do.

There are things which make 5 players town. PoE three of the other four are scum.


There is nothing that makes wave town and I am confused why you have placed him in the "town" pile. Regardless of his meta or not he kept his vote on artanis without discussing with him and he didn't care what Artanis' claim meant in terms of alignment, he was quite happy to waste his vote on someone he knew nothing about. He can argue it's "pressure" or whatever but he has done nothing to interact with that vote since.

The only thing he has done since Artanis started talking is to say

On February 04 2014 23:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm reading and posting when I can until later
Speaking of pointless cases can anyone explain iamps suspicions on me? Marv you have a super towny townread on him right? Maybe you can elaborate.

I don't like HF's case but at the very least I can sort of understand what he's getting at because my D1 this game IS different from last game, but as I said if he cared to look, its not so different from other more aggressive games of mine, ie NWM or LXII. What bothers me a little is Rayn bringing up the meta defense because I'm not sure it applies in this case. Ill delcve into it when I get a chance later today.

Artanis, keep talking.


No more interaction, no more talking. You'd think you'd want to determine the alignment of someone you are voting since he is so adament at keeping his vote on him. Coupled with the fact that he has lumped me in with his scum reads even though he agreed with the majority of what I said about Artanis. Wave's play just doesn't make sense as someone trying to learn about other people's roles.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#578
LSB has replaced iamperfection, effective immediately.
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#579
On February 05 2014 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 05 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave.

I think it's pretty clear what you are saying in that paragraph but, just to clarify:
Do you think DP is mafia or not?


I'll have to re-read him thoroughly but from what I got on my run through and what I was thinking after things cooled down, probably not.

umm..
On February 04 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
dp can get emotional as town.

answer my question dp its quite a simple one.


Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum".

Catching up, but....um...did you or did you not read my reactions to Toad's/Foolishness's terrible cases on me last game?

Your conclusions are completely wrong imo.


Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view?

Please explain how my conclusions are wrong.

Okay then what do you mean by the bolded part?
What i read is you tell your case on DP is good and ask Wave why does he not agree with it, no?
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 18:28 GMT
#580
On February 05 2014 03:12 Promethelax wrote:
Okay, HF is scum because the only thing which makes him town is his rage inducing interactions with DP which is something he has very recently proved he is able to do.

There are things which make 5 players town. PoE three of the other four are scum.


This is also why I think prome is actually scum. He keeps harping on with rhetoric about "the heart of the thread is towny guys!" and "I love you allllllllllll let's lynch dem lurkers scummers!!!!!" yet, he isn't actively determining whether his town reads are correct. He has lumped 5 players into one category and perpetuates more about Cephiro (even if his posts are awful) rather than trying to interact with other people and see if he needs to second guess himself.
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