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kushm4sta
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thrawn2112
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On January 24 2014 12:17 JonnyLaw wrote: Do that thrawn and let me know what you come up with because all I read in that filter is balla light defense and odd interactions with bum. bum is here. what you think bout his newer posts? | ||
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kushm4sta
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DarthPunk
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On January 24 2014 12:13 bumatlarge wrote: wut, how would that be fair if mafia was not given a counterclaim to a blue role if everyone is allowed to copy/paste their role, name, flavor that the host gives them. By that logic, we could all claim our names like Zarepath did and mafia would have to make up ones? Also, did Rayn have a flavor name? He said he did and flipped town, but it wasn't given at the nightpost. Balla had one for the lynch. Not that I care too much Yeah that was because noob blazinghand ninja'd the day post like a noob. Rayns Role PM: + Show Spoiler + you are Z-Boson a good old fashioned vanilla townie. Find a lynch scum. You win when there are no mafia remaining. (vanilla town) Mafia get fake role flavor for every role in the game. The game is unbreakable by comparing role pm's | ||
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thrawn2112
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kushm4sta
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JonnyLaw
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Honestly, read her filter otherwise I'll try to break it down better tomorrow. Bum's recent posts don't make me feel any better about him at all. I might be around longer tonight, otherwise I'm here tomorrow before voting 100%. Like the entire filter of suki is talking claiming balla is neutral or going back and forth on bum. In the meantime she votes Zarepath, then unvotes him, says my reason for voting him is bad then revotes him. suki is scum. The rest is calling me scum. Before anyone else did. Wagon train incoming. Bum prob also scum. Wanna call me out for not tunneling here's your chance. Anyway, I'm going to do dinner stuff with the gf sorry guys. Like I said I might be around again tonight. | ||
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suki
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On January 23 2014 15:25 suki wrote: Actually bum, out of curiosity could you let me know what your theory on WileE was, even though it's not valid anymore? | ||
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bumatlarge
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On January 22 2014 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I am. I agree that Zare is probably not scum with all what happened. I want to lynch Kush. He's saying a lot of things without explaining anything. Follows thread sentiment except oddly on Zarepath, as if he knew he was town. ##unvote ##vote Kushm4sta The vote was still up in the air, and if kush was town, artanis might pick up on why people aren't voting him. It's hard to grab the reins in a situation like this as town, and it was Artanis that started the Kush lynch. He was giving content at a stressful time which is important for townies to do. This might be a credit to how well artanis plays scum though. I can see why he would as mafia focus rayn after I did, and then attempt to grab the lynch by guiding the town. Artanis is a rough call for me. I'm not going to go on Zarepath yet either, because there was a lot of pressure on and off him, and he did give content as to who to lynch, but it was at crossfire. suki has an interesting filter at the time of the lynch as well. Her content was there, up until they decided to lynch balla instead of kush. When it came to kush, she was trying to justify her vote on him, which is what you should do as town. But her content turned into more null posts and then she switched to balla in the heat of the moment at 7:52, when his lynch was more certain. The last thing she had said about him- On January 22 2014 06:45 suki wrote: I think Balla's play fits my view of him as town so far. Hm, not great. Her vote on him is virtually useless if she is scum. It is important to differentiate between barristan and suki here. | ||
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bumatlarge
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On January 24 2014 13:01 suki wrote: Hi bum, you never answered my question that I asked you earlier: Use your imagination  it's not worth talking about unless this an only this are going to effect your read on either me or Wile. | ||
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suki
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bumatlarge
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On January 24 2014 13:12 suki wrote: That's exactly why I'm asking you bum, stop dodging the question. I don't think I have to answer it. You persist with this I'm going to vote you. | ||
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suki
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I didn’t really read your attack on me because I’m town so whatever. While I was filter diving last night looking for the ‘final scum’, I decided that you weren’t scum after all, but I wanted to wait for your response just to see if you’d actually start playing again and helping town. Reasons I don’t think you’re scum: Balla’s only targets were Zarepath and Crossfire. It’s pretty stupid scum play for two scum to target the exact same people. Especially in the case of Zarepath who was already under heavy pressure from lots of people, scum can and should take the safe route, which you didn’t do. Your fist pump ‘I caught a scum’ after the lynch followed by immediate rage at me is actually really understandable from a town point of view because who wouldn’t be mad at being called scummy for playing a great town game? And then to be #1 to lynch, yeah. Anyways, I also read your post: On January 23 2014 12:05 JonnyLaw wrote: No, I just don't care anymore. I get called scum for finding scum. Figure it yourself. Because your one read so far is me and I'm town. As pretty townie cuz it’s kinda exactly what I said in that newbie mini that I referenced in my earlier speech. Hm. Also, having both balla and Jonny vote crossfire/zare from the beginning really doesn’t lend itself to a long term scum strategy at all, there’s no set up for the following days, which is too short sighted for people of Balla and Jonny’s calibur. The scum slip that rayn pretty much convinced everyone with.. well, it’s pretty damning but hey, I was reading balla as town the whole time so it should be reasonable to expect Jonny having second thoughts of Balla’s towniness on the condition that his activity were to start picking up. In short, Jonny is really town to me. Plus, I think I’ve solved the game. Lol. Gimme a bit to write things up. ##unvote | ||
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suki
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The reason I pressured Bum is because I believed (and now I know) he slipped hard. Let me bring up the two posts: On January 22 2014 08:35 bumatlarge wrote: I'm gonna say last two scum are kush and Wile. Going to take my time looking them over. On January 23 2014 04:04 bumatlarge wrote: WileSlam I had a stupid reason, but he actually claimed green, which debunks it. On January 24 2014 13:11 bumatlarge wrote: Use your imagination it's not worth talking about unless this an only this are going to effect your read on either me or Wile.On January 24 2014 13:14 bumatlarge wrote: I don't think I have to answer it. You persist with this I'm going to vote you. Why did Bum suddenly put pressure on WileE? WileE has always been considered definite blue VT because it's such a bad move for scum to make early game. Even Bum admitted it. On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything. I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty. Now pretty much right after Bum said the last two scum are kush and Wile, Wile posted an apology post saying oops I'm actually green, not blue. Again, my thoughts and I assume everyone else's is that WileE was just being completely honest, because there is no way that scum is going to un-claim blue. So why would Bum suspect WileE? We know now that there are 2 (claimed) named VT's, not 3. But to a townie it makes no difference. And that's the slip. My guess is that the scum team is made up of 2 Goons, 1 RB. Because if this is the case, having 3 named VT's is impossible. Bum looks at the 3 claims and says, wait a sec, I don't know why, but one of those guys is lying about being named VT. Out of the three claimed boxers, WileE is the least genuine, the easiest to target. Bum knows that WileE is lying, and if he can expose WileE, that's a free mislynch. So he posts his suspicion of WileE, not expecting WileE to admit his mistake so fast. But now what? Here is the important part. There is no reason at all for town to suspect that any one of the three boxers are lying. NONE. So the only way Bum could find WileE suspicious is if he knows the setup. I asked him what his reason was for suspecting WileE just now, and he refused to tell me, and threatened to vote me if I didn't stop pressuring him. And why? Because it's impossible for him to explain without revealing that he's scum. Now, lots of people have posted cases on Bum so I'm not going to reiterate why people think he's scummy. However, this is pretty damning by itself. Think it through, you'll see there's no town explanation for Bum to suspect WileE, especially due to claiming boxer.. Now, Artanis: Artanis' play has been really quiet. He's asked a lot of questions but rarely expresses his own views. A safe way to play while looking like he's contributing. He followed the safe lynch on Zarepath, did not vote Balla, and also insta-voted JL on Day 2 with me and VE. Although he is now distancing himself from JL scum theory which fits with him being scum. And now, when I asked him who he thought was scummy he said this: On January 24 2014 06:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think it might be Barristan. I'm not sure though. The only point that really goes against him was the one I pointed out earlier, other than that nothing really stands out from his filter. If it's not Barristan, then I imagine it's one of the people that's town for the wrong reasons. It could be someone town just for a claim (Zarepath, Wile E, Thrawn). I haven't looked into them too much. Still plenty of time and I'm pretty sure on my other townreads. Boxer's are a townie's safe haven. They are a way to eliminate people from consideration and make it easier to hunt scum. All three of our claims were made in a very convincing, townie manner. There is no reason, and Artanis has not stated any reason, why he would suspect the boxers, instead of other people. As scum though it makes perfect sense to try to start warming people up to lynching blues, because in the later parts of the game they have to make something happen. People already find Artanis scummy so I don't want to go into the reasons already brought up, I just want to reveal something I found that connects Artanis and Bum: On January 23 2014 10:51 bumatlarge wrote: I like this. And I thought that's what you meant about me. Don't lynch this guy anytime soon. If we are scumteam, then oh well, you caught us. The last thing kush said about zarepath before the lynch. To be fair, it was a unique situation, where we all switched on to him, rayn changed his mind, and we all switched off him. IT didn't seem as though kush was that interested in not lynching Zarepath, but covering his bases if he were to flip town. ##Vote kushm4sta It strikes me as really weird that Bum buddies up to Artanis with 'you caught us'. Put yourself in this scenario: You are town and being lightly accused of being scumbuddies with another guy who you see as town. Why would you ever, ever say the word 'us' when referring to the two of you? You don't know each other's true alignment, you don't know if they're scum you just kinda think they aren't. Like, imagine someone who is kinda townie, lets say VE. Imagine you and VE were being accused of being a scum team and VE said 'well if we're a scumteam, you caught us'. Wouldn't that really throw you off? Wouldn't your reaction be, hey hey hey VE get away from me. Artanis doesn't even mention it. What this means is bum and Artanis are already buddies. They are already comfortable enough with each other to accept the association of 'us'. And I mean, bum is pretty much saying 'lynch us' right there. The phrase 'if we are scumteam' is also really weird for a town to say. There's the association again, 'we'. When would you ever, as town, say 'Well if rayn and I are scumteam, lynch us.'? Bum can try to WIFOM his way out of this one but I think this is a rock solid scum slip. As icing on the cake, in that quote Bum says 'dont lynch this guy I like him'. And right now he's like well he is on my scum list, but don't lynch him: On January 24 2014 11:30 bumatlarge wrote: Here is my list at the moment. Town 11.) Thrawn 7.) Crossfire99 13.) Kush <3 12.) Johnnylaw Neutral 2.) BarristanTheBold 8.) VisceraEyes 9.) Wile E. Coyote 4.) Suki, the scum god Red 5.) Artanis[Xp] 1.) Zarepath On January 24 2014 13:10 bumatlarge wrote: Ok, I think we should wait to lynch Artanis for now at least. I'm undecided on Zarepath, but I think Artanis being scum can really tell us something. I have a town read on barristan with the way he posted during the lynch, and I do believe he was on a phone. He was actively looking for the right lynch, and I would rank him about the same as JLaw as far as townie goes. Artanis was clearly actively trying to move the lynch, but no longer think their alignments are the same. The vote was still up in the air, and if kush was town, artanis might pick up on why people aren't voting him. It's hard to grab the reins in a situation like this as town, and it was Artanis that started the Kush lynch. He was giving content at a stressful time which is important for townies to do. This might be a credit to how well artanis plays scum though. I can see why he would as mafia focus rayn after I did, and then attempt to grab the lynch by guiding the town. Artanis is a rough call for me. SUMMARY I've only presented the most damning pieces of evidence that I found last night. I wanted Artanis and bum to answer my questions so I could be sure of my reads, and now I am. Main points (Read the entire thing, because I don't explain the full logic in this summary): 1. Bum suspects WileE for a setup reason, but that's only possible if he knows the setup. Ie. he's scum 2. Artanis casts suspicion on boxers and there's no townie reason to do so 3. Bum and Artanis are totally fine associating with each other with 'we' and 'us' 4. Bum's flipping on his read of Artanis. First, town don't lynch this guy, then 1 of 2 scum on his list, then want to wait to lynch Artanis I think Bum and Artanis planned to start leading town after Night 2. I looked over their possible mislynch pushes and night kills and it seems like a pretty possible thing to do. These guys are good, they planned ahead, they stayed in the shadows and let town fight over itself while being careful about their targets. But they weren't counting on two boxers and two VT's (if you include kush with WileE) claiming in a fashion that pretty much makes them confirmed. ##vote bumatlarge Tomorrow we lynch Artanis. GG | ||
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kushm4sta
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you named yourself after true blood didn't u... suki can we lynch artanis? i think there is more agreement on him maybe? w/e happy about this because it means i was right about scumslipage. ##vote bum | ||
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bumatlarge
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3). I am a respectful teammate when I'm mafia, I would never risk incriminating my last teammate with me, especially the last one, unless they were ok with that. But I really don't mind if we were both to die. That said, suki, would you still follow through lynching artanis if I was lynched and flipped town today? This is pretty important. 4). I've always been suspicious of Artanis. Just because some posts I point out what I like doesn't mean I ever switch my read on him. He's valuable as a townie, and I wouldn't want to be the one to screw town over by leading a lynch on him without being sure. If suki or Artanis claim anything, they are mafia. I agree with kush, let's lynch artanis first and see what happens. I pretty much know I am not going to be lynched, and the only other person I think I'd like to see lynched is suki. It's unfortunate for mafia, but they already lost if I can count at all. ##Vote Artanis | ||
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kushm4sta
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suki
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