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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 24 2014 05:45 GMT
#1501
I'm the Parity Cop

You are Marvellosity, you always seem to have really good reads. Probably because you are a cop.
Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check will not tell you an alignment but is necessary for your N2 check to work. You can't check yourself. You are Sane. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated


I breadcrumbed here:

On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote:
[red]In this chapter, we will be looking at both Raynpelikoneet and VisceraEyes. A Bum Emersion Fanfic[/red

A Bum Emersion Fanfic = ABEF; the possible set-ups with a Parity Cop.

Here is a post I had ready, but one of the set-ups confirmed that mafia blind shot rayn when then didn't know if there was a doctor or not. Unless they pinpointed myself being a DT (which I doubt), they couldn't have known, unless they still belived Wile. You can understand how adamant I was about lynching Zarepath, but I couldn't out myself just to disprove that maybe one of three people are scum. It was worth it to wait. Then, I was ready to accuse Wile, but his green correction again altered my game plan.

I combed the scenarios, and was certain there was a set-up that let mafia know there was a doctor or not, which led me to believe zarepath was lying. Alas, set-up C was still possible so it destroyed my theory.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we do not have doctor. The prescence on a Cop is irrelevant at this point.
1) Rayn was shot. I believe he was a likely candidate to be protected, and mafia knew that. Mafia could not afford to have shot Rayn still be alive and no one dead.
2) Roleblocker was dead, so no shenanigans there.

For reference on the set-up.
Show nested quote +
A: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather

B: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

C: 8x VT, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

D: 8x VT, 2x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather

E: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather

F: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

G: 7x VT, 1x Doc, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

H: 7x VT, 3x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather


Mafia would really have to know that none of ACEG are possible. They only have two groups in confirming the set-up, GF and no GodF. ADEH and BCFG.

If they have a GodF, and they believe both claims, then option D and H are possible.

If they do not have a GF, and they believe both options, then they cannot know there is not a doctor. F and G are interchangeable, so it would be taking a huge risk if mafia still were willing to shoot rayn on the 50/50 that he wasn't going to be protected. This is pretty speculative, but it is pretty good for us. If we have a Parity Cop, know that mafia will not have a Godfather.

Thing is, I'm the Parity Cop

You are Marvellosity, you always seem to have really good reads. Probably because you are a cop.
Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check will not tell you an alignment but is necessary for your N2 check to work. You can't check yourself. You are Sane. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated

So D and H are not possible. I also find it unlikely that the scum team was willing to shoot Rayn without knowing there was not a doctor. So I do believe the set-ups where both thrawn and zarepath are Blue VTs are extremely unlikely.


Obviously, I am wrong, but it was a good exercise in determine that mafia do not have a GF. Knowing this made my power much stronger. Saying I thought Wile was lying and then going back on it because he said he was green was a DT slip, but suki pursuing the idea felt incredibly anti-town.

At this point, I believe it makes sense for both suki and Artanis to be mafia. That's probably why she is voting me instead of Artanis. I'm pretty willing to go either direction.

I don't think mafia can win if people believe, especially if I survive the lynch and the night. That's a huge risk by mafia when they don't have a GF. I'm debating whether or not I should say who I checked, I guess not, but I will see it's a townie. I wish I had checked Artanis, but my reads were bad when I made the check.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 24 2014 05:46 GMT
#1502
Well, god damn it, if I knew we were going to lynch artanis I wouldn't have claimed. Oh well.

CARPE DIEM!
Together but separate, like oatmeal
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 24 2014 05:57 GMT
#1503
Let me address my attackers, particularly JonnyLaw.

JonnyLaw, first your case says I am scumbuddies with bum, but right now Bum is kinda confirmed town.. well, that's not for sure but my big case on him blew up before it even left the ground. Also if Artanis flips scum then the bum-suki theory is false by default.

And like, you point all these stupid things that I did, flip-flopping on people, soft or even hard defending bum AND balla. Frankly I'm a bit insulted that you'd think I'd play such a transparently awful game as scum lol.

Let me just add in kush's question to me:

On January 24 2014 11:56 kushm4sta wrote:
current scumreads of possible scum. feel free to correct me.

bum: artanis, zarepath
-im saying this guy is solid town. fuck scumslips. He reminds me of ronald reagan or some shit. i just want to trust him.

suki: JL, artanis, (kush??)
-her scumreads change a lot for very little reason. Towards the end of d1, she was all about BALLA/KUSH scum. This stance is not ipso facto scummy, but it is a convenient stance for scum. One is town and one is scum, so the stance gives suki an excuse for voting the town, while still leaving the option open to vote to scum if she needs to so she doesn't look too bad.
My question to suki: Do you realize you are basically scumreading JL for something you yourself did? essentially the balla/kush stance, leaning kush when it was convenient for scum to lean that way.
very possible scum


So my answer to all this is, I am town, and I have been bouncing around and 'giving people outs' as you call it because I really just am not sure about anyone's alignment. I genuinely wanted to believe Balla was town because I wanted to be teammates with him so maybe I tried too hard to read him as town (I also dont have experience of playing him when he was scum, and reading filters is not really as effective).

The only thing I can say is, people might (for some reason) praise me on my scum game, but my town game is pretty damn awful. Yup.

I was going to post this after the game, but I guess it's appropriate to say it here too. When I was writing my motivational speech to you, at the end of it I was re-reading it and got a bit sad. Like, I absolutely suck at hunting scum. I was wrong every single read in that game that I linked, and this game is no different.

Sigh.. Anyways, if anyone has any questions for me or if there's an attack that I missed that you want me to clarify please ask cuz I've got nothing to hide.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 24 2014 06:00 GMT
#1504
Wait, we have to wait for VisceraEyes to come in an tell everyone I'm lying. He's not going to reference anything specifically, but he's going to say it regardless.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 24 2014 06:02 GMT
#1505
So, so far my town credentials read:
lead a mislynch against a veteran on Day 2
caused a parity cop to be outed before Day 2 was over.
wrong about everyone


bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 24 2014 06:04 GMT
#1506
On January 24 2014 15:02 suki wrote:
So, so far my town credentials read:
lead a mislynch against a veteran on Day 2
caused a parity cop to be outed before Day 2 was over.
wrong about everyone




Meh, my claim is my fault. I let my role and speculation get in the way of how I play town. I can understand why I looked fishy. Those credentials are something to be proud of if you do happen to be scum, which is unfortunate for you.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 24 2014 06:06 GMT
#1507
I'm not scum, so those are pretty much the worst credentials ever.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 24 2014 06:07 GMT
#1508
And actually I even read your soft-claim wrong, I thought you were claiming boxer -_-;
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 24 2014 06:10 GMT
#1509
On January 24 2014 15:07 suki wrote:
And actually I even read your soft-claim wrong, I thought you were claiming boxer -_-;


See, I probably should have just claimed boxer when thrawn did, but last time I lied as town I got insta-lynched. I couldn't do that now, because you did nail me on knowing the set-up. I could have been mafia knowing about the set-up.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 24 2014 06:12 GMT
#1510
so can everyone just claim now? im vt
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 24 2014 06:16 GMT
#1511
That looks like a pretty legitimate claim from bum.

I have been pretty busy and had a hard time keeping track of everyone's cases, but from what's happened here I definitely do not think Suki or bum are scum.

Artanis has done the least to look town, I am still unsure about VE and Barristan, and actually somewhat worried that kush is escaping discussion simply by virtue of going up against Balla. Town can be right twice and not know it.

I am surprised that JL's case, which was mostly quotes, has pushed so many people off of him. But I think that everyone already has Artanis as their second read anyway, so it's easy to compromise.

##Vote Artanis

"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 24 2014 06:22 GMT
#1512
On January 24 2014 15:12 kushm4sta wrote:
so can everyone just claim now? im vt


There is a very slim chance we still have a doctor, but that would involve someone lying, and not protecting rayn. I doubt this scenario very much.

I support claiming.

Bum - Cop
Zera - Boxer
thrawn - Boxer
kush - VT
WileSlam - VT
Together but separate, like oatmeal
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 24 2014 06:23 GMT
#1513
VT =[
I'm Ange777
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 24 2014 06:55 GMT
#1514
VT. Bum could be lying. I want to know who he checked and how he knows they are town before I believe or disbelieve.

If you believe both Named VT claims, then if scum have a Godfather they know they can fake-claim anything they want without fear of being counterclaimed. With two named VTs, then there's either ONE of Doc/Cop and no GF or ZERO of Doc/Cop and a GF.

If you're a power role you need to counterclaim.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 24 2014 07:00 GMT
#1515
If you would have us believe your claim, then why do you say "Alas, setup C was also possible" when setup C contains zero Parity Cops?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 24 2014 07:01 GMT
#1516
On January 16 2014 21:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Setup

This game uses a semi-open setup. The exact setup will be randomly determined from the following:

A: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather

B: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

C: 8x VT, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

D: 8x VT, 2x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather

E: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather

F: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

G: 7x VT, 1x Doc, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

H: 7x VT, 3x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather


whoops!

##Unvote
##Vote: bumatlarge
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 24 2014 07:14 GMT
#1517
This game in a nutshell.

I checked someone who is probably town. I don't know yet, I'm a Parity Cop, I only get information the second night.

Set-up C means even if Zarepath or thrawn were lying, they couldn't know if there was a cop or not. I knew that, but scum can't.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 24 2014 07:17 GMT
#1518
EBWOP: Couldn't know if there was a doc or not
Together but separate, like oatmeal
BarristanTheBold
Profile Joined February 2013
Angola89 Posts
January 24 2014 07:30 GMT
#1519
On January 24 2014 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
With two named VTs, then there's either ONE of Doc/Cop and no GF or ZERO of Doc/Cop and a GF.

Technically there could be a third named VT that could counterclaim a scum fake doc/cop claim, assuming mafia has a GF.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 24 2014 07:31 GMT
#1520
ve wtf are you even talking about. no counterclaims = all the claims are true
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