EPTOn January 23 2014 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On January 23 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote: Bringing light to the fact that your post was incredibly weird minus the last two sentences. It was really odd, and I don't think I'm the only one who said so. You're town and we all know it. Don't pull a gonzaw. 1) I explained why I kept my vote on WoS, since then he has responded and I liked what he said. He's being very affirmative and speaking his thoughts. When I first accused him early in the day I thought the opposite of this (also explained in my earlier posts). Now he's here, he's posting, and he's trying for the town. And that's the direction I started to lean towards when I made my big post. My vote on WoS was to affirm this suspicion, and also to get other people to comment on it. 2) Don't know what you're exactly referring to. But you were being trolly at the start of the day and it was impossible to know what your motives were. Your motives are clear now. As I also said in my recent post, you dying would answer a lot of questions. Not that that's going to happen anytime soon (or ever really). 3) Promethelax is scum. WoS probably not. Read above. 4) Nope. ##Unvote ##Vote: Promethelax No no. I'm not satisfied here. What exactly about my early posting would ever make you think I wasn't posting my thoughts then, but all of a sudden I am now? WHY is Prome scum? Spell it out for those of us who might be a little bit slow. | ||
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Foolishness
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On January 23 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote: No no. I'm not satisfied here. What exactly about my early posting would ever make you think I wasn't posting my thoughts then, but all of a sudden I am now? WHY is Prome scum? Spell it out for those of us who might be a little bit slow. Already explained this in my earlier post about you. You were speaking in generics and not getting things done for the town. | ||
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austinmcc
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On January 23 2014 04:46 gonzaw wrote: There's a whole heck of a lot of people I haven't mentioned between then and now, he's one of em. That list is what, 2/3 or more of players in the game? Somewhere around there? He's particular in that I mentioned him before, I know. Right now I'm elsewhere.Actually, if you want to chat, let's chat austin. So, what about Holy? You mentioned this right after I made my "case" against him and Hapa made some points against him as well (which you agreed here). So? You never mention him again. You don't mention him right now. What's up with you and Foolishness? Okay, apparently you don't agree with my meta case (for some reason). Okay, that's not too bad I guess. But what about his actual first posts? You think they are GOOD? You only defend him against me attacking him for being "trolly" and the meta case, but what do you think about those posts he made? I don't care about them. They don't make him town. I don't think they make him mafia. A couple SUPER OVERTLY trolly posts are posts that I read as "trolly", not as town or scum. I see more meat from scum Foolishness in Parallel Worlds than I do here, have not read Liar Game in years. I think his long list post is...okay. It's not as pushy as his Parallel Worlds list post, which doesn't count for terribly much. He doesn't blow anyone's socks off with any read, there's nothing damning/sanctifying about anyone that nobody else had seen, which would make the post a little better/worse depending on what he found, but I'm fine with it in general EXCEPT that the section on sandro and I is odd to me. Everyone else has pretty particular reasons, sandro and I are lumped together and I don't really agree with him that sandro had gotten post-happy within the recent pages before Foolishness posted his big thing. See my question to Foolishness about the sandro read in my filter. Ignoring the fact this is all fluffy "oh, I don't want to talk about Foolishness because scum are surely going to discuss Foolishness!", what about now? Nobody gives a shit about Foo right now. Only WOS and VE briefly discussed him, nothing more. So I guess there are no "mafia freely posting and keeping discussion on Foolishness" right? If so it completely invalidates this "defense" of him (or rather, avoidance of making a read on him), so you could as well start having a discussion centered on Foolishness. You can start by, like, posting what you think of his 2 "big" posts, and his reads and stuff. His second sizeable post...I don't love? His HolyFlare section is pure mush, maybe the mushiest statement in his two large posts. At this moment I feel that Promethelax or HolyFlare should be lynched today. Gonzaw's catch on Holyflare's contradiction is really damning and I'm almost ready to pull the trigger just on that. HolyFlare's defense did feel a bit contrived and forced? He did bring up some good points but at the same time I don't feel like he said all that much. That may just be confirmation bias at this point though. not really what I would expect from anyone pushing a read, or one of his two lynch candidates. Gonzaw's post on HF good, this point good, HF's defense felt contrived and forced, except he made good points, except he didn't say much, except maybe it's just confirmation bias. That's very very very limp-wristed.A NUMBER of people posted questions to him concerning his large reads post, and he really only answered about WoS and HF, also don't love that. So, first big post I'm not scummy on him for. Second big post I don't love as a post, the HF bit is the longest and is pure mush, but...whatever. I'm not seeing Foolishness scum as heavily as you are.No, not wrong. He's got posts that aren't pure troll, although they're just setup chat - + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2012 09:13 Foolishness wrote: Okay so we choose someone to lynch here today. If you are in the world where you're not lynching (and voting to swap) you should be voting to swap a person who you think is innocent. Swap powers should be used to get innocent people into the swap world, and mafia into the lynch world. Presumably we can only vote for people in our world? On December 12 2012 09:20 Foolishness wrote: Honestly we should just not swap players at all if we can help it. those two into the first bit about not swapping in the post you brought up, which IS more trolly Moreover, that post IS trolly. But look at the followup. He does dick all forever with his marv comment and vote. He doesn't really respond to anything but marv for almost 24 hours until he starts talking with Palmar in more detail (he gives crappy little posts to Keirathi and marv in response, not like his response here). There's a decent amount of posting, even shitty posting, trying to get something done. Here there's no posting trying to get anything done. His response/explanation post (the second big one), doesn't go anywhere, doesn't push anything, just waffles around. WHICH SOUNDS PARTICULARLY SCUMMY, EH? But in a game where there hasn't been huge pushes on people yet, it looks different enough from the way he was actually trying to do a thing, even lazily trying to do a thing, in that game. Anyways, you seem to be making a meta case FOR his posts not being scummy. Does that mean you think his early 3 posts were not scummy? Why austin? Everybody basically agrees they are somewhat scummy. Why are you DEFENDING those posts of his via some weird meta? I think anyone making a read of those posts is being silly. I don't care if someone starts with a few trolly posts, at all. If those posts tell me ANYTHING important, then I should be examined. Others may get something from them, but I don't at all. To me, they're trolly posts, they don't mean anything, and I disagree that scum Foolishness is a big trollface at the start of games.Take those posts for what they are, posts from a player playing this game. What do they tell you? Why do you take issue with 1? You think it doesn't matter that Foo has his vote on a guy he doesn't want to lynch? And about 3, what do you believe? Yes, it's a perfectly legitimate question, so please answer it austin, don't wait for others to do so for you Also, what's up with you and chatting? I thought WOS had an obsession with it, but you seem to be OCD about it wtf I'm a big chatter recently. | ||
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Foolishness
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On January 23 2014 05:14 gonzaw wrote: Anyways, Foo, I'll assume your vote is not real since you haven't addressed any of Prome's new posts. I'll assume you just parked it there and now will calmly read the thread and Prome's filter and address his new posts and suspicions and either incorporate them to your case or change your mind about Prome Right? 100% Real. I have read it. Nothing has changed. Also it is clear that in the last few pages you are just searching for arguments against me that aren't there. I responded to your main points and obviously since you have nothing to say about them it is obvious that there is nothing to say about them (cause there isn't!) | ||
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austinmcc
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On January 23 2014 05:05 gonzaw wrote: No no. Liar Game was the question with the two answers, and depending on answers, only part of the game could be lynched on any given day? With multiple scum factions? I don't care about vanilla-ness, I care about the fact that the basic setup of liar game was, as I remember it, different in multiple ways than the setup here, in terms of basic factions, voting, etc.You would say that a heavily themed game would make a Scum Foolishness be MORE aggressive/confident than in an All-Vanilla game, or the opposite austin? I don't really see a contradiction with a Scum Foo feeling more "intimidated", or (maybe a better term) "not knowing what to do" (thus not really posting much "real posts" with "less trolly stuff") in an All-Vanilla game where there is no setup discussion, no wacky mechanics, no PMs, to hide in, than in a Heavily Themed game where there is. | ||
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Foolishness
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You're here and posting, should be obvious that you are town. He's not here and not posting, and that speaks volumes for him. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On January 23 2014 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote: That's the thing though, we don't "expect more" we expect actual thoughts and opinions. Having suspicions of someone, and succinctly explaining them, takes actually LESS effort than doing a stream of consciousness catch up thing. It's that I expected LESS. Like, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But I'm not voting for him so ultimately it doesn't matter much. Foolishness can you comment on the conversation VE and I had about Prome that ended with the above post? | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 23 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote: 1) I explained why I kept my vote on WoS, since then he has responded and I liked what he said. He's being very affirmative and speaking his thoughts. When I first accused him early in the day I thought the opposite of this (also explained in my earlier posts). Now he's here, he's posting, and he's trying for the town. And that's the direction I started to lean towards when I made my big post. My vote on WoS was to affirm this suspicion, and also to get other people to comment on it. Sorry that doesn't make much sense to me. I'd think after "getting obvious scum" Holy (based on your post) you wouldn't really care about "pressuring" WoS with that vote, and would care more about, you know, voting scum. | ||
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On January 23 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote: I am absolutely not here and posting. I only just now get back and active after a long period gone.To explain Austin, at the time I made that post where you and sandroba are together, you and him had both shown up to the thread and posted a couple times, but that was it. My thinking was that, "okay, as long as these guys are here and continue to post they should be town". This especially applies to sandroba because he is known for being really inactive as mafia. You're here and posting, should be obvious that you are town. He's not here and not posting, and that speaks volumes for him. Driving now, ~40ish til at comp | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 23 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote: You're here and posting, should be obvious that you are town. He's not here and not posting, and that speaks volumes for him. Could you explain how this applies to austin and not Prom's recent set of big posts. I haven't found much merit in the recent set of posts by prom, but nor do I find austin's all that special. How did you differentiate the two? | ||
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On January 23 2014 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Foolishness can you comment on the conversation VE and I had about Prome that ended with the above post? Sounds like you're making good arguments why he should be lynched. Look at it this way. Let's say I posted and said, "Kitaman is the best lynch right now!" what would you respond? You'd say, "wtf he's been pushing the town in the right direction and asking good questions." Now I say, "Promethelax is the best lynch right now!" (or Holyflare) what is your response? You say, "Eh, I feel like he's doing okay..." I don't see any arguments that show that Promethelax is pushing the town in the right direction or pushing a pro-town agenda. He's responded sure, but where's the conviction and the push to get something done? | ||
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gonzaw
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sandroba marvellosity Assume you HAVE to pick ONLY ONE of them. Which one do you pick and why? | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 23 2014 05:17 Foolishness wrote: 100% Real. I have read it. Nothing has changed. Also it is clear that in the last few pages you are just searching for arguments against me that aren't there. I responded to your main points and obviously since you have nothing to say about them it is obvious that there is nothing to say about them (cause there isn't!) You are creating the arguments yourself, by saying stuff like "To explain Austin...You're here and posting, should be obvious that you are town" | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On January 23 2014 05:31 Foolishness wrote: Sounds like you're making good arguments why he should be lynched. Look at it this way. Let's say I posted and said, "Kitaman is the best lynch right now!" what would you respond? You'd say, "wtf he's been pushing the town in the right direction and asking good questions." Now I say, "Promethelax is the best lynch right now!" (or Holyflare) what is your response? You say, "Eh, I feel like he's doing okay..." I don't see any arguments that show that Promethelax is pushing the town in the right direction or pushing a pro-town agenda. He's responded sure, but where's the conviction and the push to get something done? In relation to what gonzaw just posted, I feel like the above could be applied as well to either marv or snadroba----and actually starts to mesh with the idea that I haven't been feeling anything at all from marv all game aside from a little bit of agreement in some posts that I quoted earlier in my filter. Taking a closer look at marv. | ||
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Foolishness
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On January 23 2014 05:25 gonzaw wrote: Sorry that doesn't make much sense to me. I'd think after "getting obvious scum" Holy (based on your post) you wouldn't really care about "pressuring" WoS with that vote, and would care more about, you know, voting scum. I said I was confirming my read on him. You're asking me a question and quoting the post I answered it in? See where my vote is now? Promethelax or HolyFlare, both are good lynches. HolyFlare's recent posts are very meh, but he could genuinely be frustrated and he did ask to be replaced out. Had he not asked to be subbed out this would be an easy decision, but I feel his real life frustration could be coming out in his posting behavior. I could also just be reading too much into this. On January 23 2014 05:27 kitaman27 wrote: Could you explain how this applies to austin and not Prom's recent set of big posts. I haven't found much merit in the recent set of posts by prom, but nor do I find austin's all that special. How did you differentiate the two? Look at his two posts here: + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2014 04:29 austinmcc wrote: PAGING MARV Small game, not overly themed. You were shot N1 by Sandroba in the game. Scum team was Sandroba/ShiaoPi/?. I was a watcher, watched you N1, saw Sandroba shoot you. On D2 I tried to buddy up to Sandroba rather than dunk him as mafia. This caused some problems later on in the game for me. Name that game! LET US BEGIN TO CHAT! YES? (I will have to pause shortly for an interview thing, but oh well) Anything OVERTLY scummy from marv, or just the general worry? I don't share your worry about Foolishness right now, but I do about Sandroba. Working on that, because there are very few scumgames but the town filters I'm reading are much more involved, except generally more involved as far as planning and policy and whatnot is concerned, less him being very involved in reads and discussion (so not perfectly applicable to this game). The only worry I have on Foolishness is his putting Sandroba up at townie-neutral for getting active, when Sandroba was really just posting on one subject and it wasn't a boatload of new thoughts/info. Anyway, you should also ask me some questions. I know I only have the one about marv here right now, but poke me! + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2014 05:16 austinmcc wrote: Simmer down, Gonzaw There's a whole heck of a lot of people I haven't mentioned between then and now, he's one of em. That list is what, 2/3 or more of players in the game? Somewhere around there? He's particular in that I mentioned him before, I know. Right now I'm elsewhere.I don't care about them. They don't make him town. I don't think they make him mafia. A couple SUPER OVERTLY trolly posts are posts that I read as "trolly", not as town or scum. I see more meat from scum Foolishness in Parallel Worlds than I do here, have not read Liar Game in years. I think his long list post is...okay. It's not as pushy as his Parallel Worlds list post, which doesn't count for terribly much. He doesn't blow anyone's socks off with any read, there's nothing damning/sanctifying about anyone that nobody else had seen, which would make the post a little better/worse depending on what he found, but I'm fine with it in general EXCEPT that the section on sandro and I is odd to me. Everyone else has pretty particular reasons, sandro and I are lumped together and I don't really agree with him that sandro had gotten post-happy within the recent pages before Foolishness posted his big thing. See my question to Foolishness about the sandro read in my filter.Some of my thoughts are above. His scumreads are ... convenient? But mostly fine with me. He justifies them, doesn't really push them, oh well. I'm really not concerned there. His second sizeable post...I don't love? His HolyFlare section is pure mush, maybe the mushiest statement in his two large posts.not really what I would expect from anyone pushing a read, or one of his two lynch candidates. Gonzaw's post on HF good, this point good, HF's defense felt contrived and forced, except he made good points, except he didn't say much, except maybe it's just confirmation bias. That's very very very limp-wristed. A NUMBER of people posted questions to him concerning his large reads post, and he really only answered about WoS and HF, also don't love that. So, first big post I'm not scummy on him for. Second big post I don't love as a post, the HF bit is the longest and is pure mush, but...whatever. I'm not seeing Foolishness scum as heavily as you are.No, not wrong. He's got posts that aren't pure troll, although they're just setup chat - + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2012 09:13 Foolishness wrote: Okay so we choose someone to lynch here today. If you are in the world where you're not lynching (and voting to swap) you should be voting to swap a person who you think is innocent. Swap powers should be used to get innocent people into the swap world, and mafia into the lynch world. Presumably we can only vote for people in our world? On December 12 2012 09:20 Foolishness wrote: Honestly we should just not swap players at all if we can help it. those two into the first bit about not swapping in the post you brought up, which IS more trolly Moreover, that post IS trolly. But look at the followup. He does dick all forever with his marv comment and vote. He doesn't really respond to anything but marv for almost 24 hours until he starts talking with Palmar in more detail (he gives crappy little posts to Keirathi and marv in response, not like his response here). There's a decent amount of posting, even shitty posting, trying to get something done. Here there's no posting trying to get anything done. His response/explanation post (the second big one), doesn't go anywhere, doesn't push anything, just waffles around. WHICH SOUNDS PARTICULARLY SCUMMY, EH? But in a game where there hasn't been huge pushes on people yet, it looks different enough from the way he was actually trying to do a thing, even lazily trying to do a thing, in that game.I think anyone making a read of those posts is being silly. I don't care if someone starts with a few trolly posts, at all. If those posts tell me ANYTHING important, then I should be examined. Others may get something from them, but I don't at all. To me, they're trolly posts, they don't mean anything, and I disagree that scum Foolishness is a big trollface at the start of games.I don't care at all that someone has a vote on someone he doesn't want to lynch. No. About 3, I think it's telling about OTHERS and not about Foolishness. People who thought Foolishness was cool for his reads, but then haven't gone back to update their reads on Foolishness after saying Prome or HF look better/different/whatever, look slightly worse. Do I know if any of those people exist? No. But you're right that anyone who was weighing Foolishness's reads in his favor OUGHT to be reweighing foolishness if their own reads on Prome/HF/whoever have changed. Also, what's up with you and chatting? I thought WOS had an obsession with it, but you seem to be OCD about it wtf For me the big thing about austin is that he's here posting. In the first 12 ish hours of the game he was absent. Then he came in and started posting and his initial posts were okay. Nothing good or horribly town but nothing horribly mafia. My thoughts were that if he continues to post and be active he's town, if not then he's mafia. Similar to sandroba. From what I know about Austin (which isn't that much) he likes to make good, long posts with lots of analysis, similar to a Foolishness or Kitaman. For him it'd be very easy to just post a few times and peace out until his name is brought up again. This is what a mafia Austin would do. But he's here and he's posting, and from the two posts I quoted it's definitely clear that he's speaking his mind and trying to get things done. Austin said this in the last big post I quoted: I don't care at all that someone has a vote on someone he doesn't want to lynch. No. About 3, I think it's telling about OTHERS and not about Foolishness. People who thought Foolishness was cool for his reads, but then haven't gone back to update their reads on Foolishness after saying Prome or HF look better/different/whatever, look slightly worse. Do I know if any of those people exist? No. But you're right that anyone who was weighing Foolishness's reads in his favor OUGHT to be reweighing foolishness if their own reads on Prome/HF/whoever have changed. A very good point. | ||
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