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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 22 2014 21:24 GMT
#721
Alright final post, I'm feeling better about dropping my vote here.
Call it a sheep of gonzaw or thread sentiment if you want, if not you can use my current line of questions/suspicion including my earlier problems with his first case on me.

This may be one of the most difficult games I've played in, and it's a good kind of difficult.
##Vote: Foolishness

Be back a little bit after deadline.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 22 2014 21:27 GMT
#722
kita: I think your first and last paragraphs contain your best points, I'm going to reread on that basis now I think

On January 23 2014 06:17 Foolishness wrote:
There's also this game where marvellosity is mafia:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=marvellosity&view=all

And there is a notable difference between that game and him this game. In that game where he is mafia he's much more trolly and has a very notable attitude: lots of swearing, calling people idiots, and quoting a post and responding "lol". Now I know his attitude has improved on the whole, but the fact that he's taking this game seriously probably does say something about him.

So what is it saying, Fool?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 22 2014 21:32 GMT
#723
On January 23 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
kita: I think your first and last paragraphs contain your best points, I'm going to reread on that basis now I think

Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 06:17 Foolishness wrote:
There's also this game where marvellosity is mafia:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=marvellosity&view=all

And there is a notable difference between that game and him this game. In that game where he is mafia he's much more trolly and has a very notable attitude: lots of swearing, calling people idiots, and quoting a post and responding "lol". Now I know his attitude has improved on the whole, but the fact that he's taking this game seriously probably does say something about him.

So what is it saying, Fool?

Well it did say you were town. But now you're nitpicking over something about sandroba, and when your vote comes down on me you're definitely going to have a lot of explaining to do on why you caused a town to be lynched after not pushing anyone day 1.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 22 2014 21:33 GMT
#724
Quick cheat list:

Sexy mofos:
marv
Hapa
gonzaw

Mildly attractive mofos:
VisceraEyes
WaveofShadow
austinmcc

Totally ignoring this mofo for now:
Holyflare

Could be attractive, but i don't like his shoes mofo:
kitaman27

Possibly unattractive, pending mofo:
Promethelax

Ugly mofos:
Foolishness
sandroba

1. Foolishness
2. Marvellosity
3. Promethelax
4. Austinmcc
5. Sandroba
6. VisceraEyes
7. Kitaman27
8. HolyFlare
9. Hapahauli
10. Gonzaw
11. WaveofShadow
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 22 2014 21:34 GMT
#725
On January 23 2014 06:32 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
kita: I think your first and last paragraphs contain your best points, I'm going to reread on that basis now I think

On January 23 2014 06:17 Foolishness wrote:
There's also this game where marvellosity is mafia:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=marvellosity&view=all

And there is a notable difference between that game and him this game. In that game where he is mafia he's much more trolly and has a very notable attitude: lots of swearing, calling people idiots, and quoting a post and responding "lol". Now I know his attitude has improved on the whole, but the fact that he's taking this game seriously probably does say something about him.

So what is it saying, Fool?

Well it did say you were town. But now you're nitpicking over something about sandroba, and when your vote comes down on me you're definitely going to have a lot of explaining to do on why you caused a town to be lynched after not pushing anyone day 1.

How is that nitpicking? Why don't you seem vaguely interested in sandroba and instead only some murmurings? What were his strong posts? The one on Prome?

Would you kill sand today instead of Prome?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 22 2014 21:36 GMT
#726
Seriously, nitpicking? that's a horrible discredit of what I said.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 22 2014 21:37 GMT
#727
Hapa inc., he just logged on to skype.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 21:38 GMT
#728
Foo, do you think maybe both sandro and marv are town? Care to answer that?
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 22 2014 21:39 GMT
#729
On January 23 2014 06:34 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 06:32 Foolishness wrote:
On January 23 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
kita: I think your first and last paragraphs contain your best points, I'm going to reread on that basis now I think

On January 23 2014 06:17 Foolishness wrote:
There's also this game where marvellosity is mafia:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=marvellosity&view=all

And there is a notable difference between that game and him this game. In that game where he is mafia he's much more trolly and has a very notable attitude: lots of swearing, calling people idiots, and quoting a post and responding "lol". Now I know his attitude has improved on the whole, but the fact that he's taking this game seriously probably does say something about him.

So what is it saying, Fool?

Well it did say you were town. But now you're nitpicking over something about sandroba, and when your vote comes down on me you're definitely going to have a lot of explaining to do on why you caused a town to be lynched after not pushing anyone day 1.

How is that nitpicking? Why don't you seem vaguely interested in sandroba and instead only some murmurings? What were his strong posts? The one on Prome?

Would you kill sand today instead of Prome?

It's nitpicking cause I said that his opening was fine (when he first started posting). And I posted that not too long after he was here and posting (check the timestamps). Now you're claiming that I am, but am not but maybe I was interested and oh here's a quote from Liar Game with some analysis that is only tangentially related to my argument.

At least Gonzaw's tunneling has conviction behind it (which is why he's town and you aren't). Show some conviction if you think I'm mafia.

I would not bat an eye if sandroba died. The problem is is that Promethelax is mafia and there is solid information on why. What's the information saying sandroba is mafia? oh he's inactive. Well great, welcome to day 1 sandroba.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 21:40 GMT
#730
On January 23 2014 06:38 gonzaw wrote:
Foo, do you think maybe both sandro and marv could be town? Care to answer that?

gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 21:41 GMT
#731
marv, what do you think of that last streak of austin's posts, and what I posted about him?
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 22 2014 21:43 GMT
#732
On January 23 2014 06:38 gonzaw wrote:
Foo, do you think maybe both sandro and marv are town? Care to answer that?

Initial response is no. If they are both town then who is mafia? Promethelax, HolyFlare, and like, VE I guess? That doesn't make sense as there is no other third to put in.

WaveOfShadow's vote might be sketchy, but watch the people who hammer this (marvellosity and company).

And yes I'm actually saying that now because it needs to be said in case you guys are that incapable of reading my posts.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 21:45 GMT
#733
All of you guys are officially mindfucking me right now.

Foo, please PLEASE tell me one thing: WTF is up with your first posts?
Why:

1)Vote someone without posting any reason behind it, then AFKing before doing so
2)Randomly call 2 guys town, again, without posting any reason behind it, nor having any kind of previous interaction with them nor context to make us know why you think so.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 22 2014 21:45 GMT
#734
gonzaw, could you respond to my prom post and let me know if you think it holds any merit?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 21:47 GMT
#735
I dunno, I have to reread his filter to do that. I'm kind of bummed right now.

Why can't all of you guys be good townies and not do scummy shit?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 22 2014 21:47 GMT
#736
On January 23 2014 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't know man, the catchup posts seemed disingenuous, but I'm afraid I'm biased. Based on the posts I'm more willing to admit that I could be wrong about Prome, and yes the alternatives are looking better.


So you strongly believed Prom was mafia at the start, you don't believe that Prom's posts since then make him town, yet you're unwilling to vote him when given the chance?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 22 2014 21:48 GMT
#737
I'm willing to vote him - I'm just hesitant. And Foolish looks like he's trying to manipulate me and it hurts my soul.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 22 2014 21:49 GMT
#738
On January 23 2014 06:39 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 06:34 marvellosity wrote:
On January 23 2014 06:32 Foolishness wrote:
On January 23 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
kita: I think your first and last paragraphs contain your best points, I'm going to reread on that basis now I think

On January 23 2014 06:17 Foolishness wrote:
There's also this game where marvellosity is mafia:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=marvellosity&view=all

And there is a notable difference between that game and him this game. In that game where he is mafia he's much more trolly and has a very notable attitude: lots of swearing, calling people idiots, and quoting a post and responding "lol". Now I know his attitude has improved on the whole, but the fact that he's taking this game seriously probably does say something about him.

So what is it saying, Fool?

Well it did say you were town. But now you're nitpicking over something about sandroba, and when your vote comes down on me you're definitely going to have a lot of explaining to do on why you caused a town to be lynched after not pushing anyone day 1.

How is that nitpicking? Why don't you seem vaguely interested in sandroba and instead only some murmurings? What were his strong posts? The one on Prome?

Would you kill sand today instead of Prome?

It's nitpicking cause I said that his opening was fine (when he first started posting). And I posted that not too long after he was here and posting (check the timestamps). Now you're claiming that I am, but am not but maybe I was interested and oh here's a quote from Liar Game with some analysis that is only tangentially related to my argument.

At least Gonzaw's tunneling has conviction behind it (which is why he's town and you aren't). Show some conviction if you think I'm mafia.

I would not bat an eye if sandroba died. The problem is is that Promethelax is mafia and there is solid information on why. What's the information saying sandroba is mafia? oh he's inactive. Well great, welcome to day 1 sandroba.

So let me get this straight.
1) sandroba's opening posts are fine/insightful (??)
2) if sandroba continues to post and is active he is town
3) sandroba has not been posting or active, but... it's sandroba!

that's the line you've taken, yes?
And
a) marv might be mafia for not doing anything
b) marv points out contradiction on attitude towards sand
c) marv is dissimilar to this mafia game so maybe he's town
d) marv is mafia because he's attacking me

right?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 21:51 GMT
#739
Is there ANYBODY who believes Holy might be a good D1 lynch? Even if you don't believe he might be a good lynch (because of replacement stuff), did that last post of his convince you he's town? Did it have an impact on your read of him? If so why?

marvy, you said you would be thinking about Holy after you come back.....so? You are just focusing on Foo now.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 22 2014 21:53 GMT
#740
On January 23 2014 06:45 gonzaw wrote:
All of you guys are officially mindfucking me right now.

Foo, please PLEASE tell me one thing: WTF is up with your first posts?
Why:

1)Vote someone without posting any reason behind it, then AFKing before doing so
2)Randomly call 2 guys town, again, without posting any reason behind it, nor having any kind of previous interaction with them nor context to make us know why you think so.

1) To see how people would respond to it, but mostly to see how he responded. I quoted his first post (which is suspicious as I've already explained) so that you would know where I saw the evidence before I revealed my whole hand.

2) Which 2 guys? I'm pretty sure I explained everything here.
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:
Here's what I think is going on this game.

There are quite a few questionable people in this game, but by eliminating some obvious town players things start to make more sense.

Towniest of towns
Hapa
VE
Kitaman

Hapa is by far the most town person in this game? Why, put simply if you read his filter he is here, he is active and he is pushing pro-town agendas. This is seen because he is generating conversation, trying to organize the town and get everyone on the same page, and questioning suspicious players where appropriate. This is not a matter of debate if you have read the thread.

Kitaman is similar in matter and this has already been brought to light by a few players. Actually when I started reading the game yesterday his posting reminded me a lot of myself. Slight trolly attitude to try to get things moving, but when push came to shove he was there to call people out on their shit. Now, if you want to read into that and say, "But Foolishness, Kitaman is usually a strong analyzer, posting paragraphs of information and analysis about a person's behavior and actions" I got nothing to say back about that yet. Though I'm sure time will confirm what I think here.

The thing with VE is that yes, on his own some of his posts are suspicious. This one in particular made me raise an eyebrow:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 22 2014 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Morning guys. Marv no, I don't think it's the same kind of Prome that I'm used to seeing. What it reminds me of is that game I was the mayor and lynched the piss out of Prome D1. He was a lurky little shit that game, but I caught him on something very similar to what I noticed this game. Like I think it's awful that I have to ask this, but did you read my post on him?

That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all.

If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned.

where the first two paragraphs seem really out of place and forced, though the last two sentences of the post read very town.

However I think if you just read through his filter and analyze it as a whole there's nothing to be afraid of. Is he pushing any sort of mafia agenda? No. Does it feel like he doesn't have the town's best interest in mind? No. Does it feel like he's actually trying to figure things out? Yes.

Now I can see why some people have shed some suspicion on him (unlike anyone calling Hapa or Kita mafia), but he just does not feel mafia, and he's definitely interested in the game.

Questionable players
Austin
sandroba

marvellosity
Holyflare
Gonzaw

This is roughly in order of most to least town. Austin and sandroba might as well be afk until 3 pages ago, but since coming to the thread both have had strong appearances. I'm okay with them right now because they have brought things to the thread, and it is also obvious that if they continue their activity then they are town. If they keep going afk for long periods of time then start to worry. But I don't feel like that will happen.

The following 3 people are all in the ? category. Marvellosity and Holyflare in particular because for all that they have said I don't feel they have really contributed much. Even as I'm writing this I'm thinking back, "what has marvellosity or holyflare done this game", and I cannot remember a single post they have made. That's a bad sign. Anything mafia indicative off the bat? No so much, but then seem to be here without actually being here.

Gonzaw is only questionable and not mafia because of his recent vote on me. As kitaman properly pointed out, gonzaw brought up a lot of new information about the case on me. That's good and productive. But as he also pointed out, gonzaw just kinda did nothing with it. "Oh here you go I did some research, now don't mind me anymore let me go be trolly and lurk some more" is that kinda vibe I got from that.

mafia
Promethelax
WaveOfShadow

I will go into a little more detail here.
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.

One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.

Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.

What about this post is good? He says generic things that anybody can say. Also the "Let's do something" seems incredibly forced. What does he hope to accomplish by saying that? I don't know (most likely he's mafia) and it feels like he's trying very hard to sound like he's vested in the game (when all he would have to do is just post whatever his thoughts are).

And then there's this post as well.
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On January 21 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 21 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
Okay broskis, this is just silly. We know how to start a game and it isn't this Mafia Scum inspired baseless lynches shall we discuss policy? Why yes we shall because you all will actually have to commit to something.

Since we aren't the run of the mill hokey dory TL types I think its time we set a few ground rules: there should be no discussion of policy lynching lurkers. We simply lynch them. If everyone is good enough to be shadowed everyone is good enough to play the game and we cannot tolerate lurkers.

It is my hope that this particular policy doesn't come into play since, obviously, we are the best that TL has so we should play the best as well and lurking simply isn't the best. We are all good enough to carry a town and I would like us all to be that good this game. Play your hearts out gentlemen.

I would also like a non-aggression pact. That is we all agree to play nice since I'd rather like to be good role models for our newbies.

And yes, I know I'm scummy for posting this, does someone want to come out and say it so that I can defend myself and we can move on with this game and make actual cases on each other and find scum.

Unlike WoS I was excited to roll scum in this game, I figured I'd have an excuse to be steamrolled but if I did a good job it would be a huge accomplishment but no, I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money.

So get it together boys, we are policy lynching lurkers, we aren't going to be mean to each other and we are going to catch scum. And we'll start with Hapa making a case on me, why? Because its tradition is why.

I don't think lurkers will be an issue in this game.
I'm really confused by your opener though...you want to discuss policy and then you state right after that you don't want to discuss it? Like...discussion of policy on its own isn't scummy imo but why did you go about it so awkwardly?

I do agree with the non-aggression thing, but no offense---I'd imagine you'd have to be one of the primary people to agree with that (and it seems as though you have?)

Now onto more important details: why specifically Hapa? Do you two have a history?
Is he going to want to make a case on you at all, never mind find something specific in this post of yours in order to make one?

Which fails to do nothing but ask more questions of which he never followed through on (neither of them really followed through on to be honest), when he could do have done something like actively push Promethelax to say something of substance.

The thing about Promethelax is that his first post is a big pile of words and nobody said anything about it besides WoS which was just a passing remark. Here's the post again:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 21 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
Okay broskis, this is just silly. We know how to start a game and it isn't this Mafia Scum inspired baseless lynches shall we discuss policy? Why yes we shall because you all will actually have to commit to something.

Since we aren't the run of the mill hokey dory TL types I think its time we set a few ground rules: there should be no discussion of policy lynching lurkers. We simply lynch them. If everyone is good enough to be shadowed everyone is good enough to play the game and we cannot tolerate lurkers.

It is my hope that this particular policy doesn't come into play since, obviously, we are the best that TL has so we should play the best as well and lurking simply isn't the best. We are all good enough to carry a town and I would like us all to be that good this game. Play your hearts out gentlemen.

I would also like a non-aggression pact. That is we all agree to play nice since I'd rather like to be good role models for our newbies.

And yes, I know I'm scummy for posting this, does someone want to come out and say it so that I can defend myself and we can move on with this game and make actual cases on each other and find scum.

Unlike WoS I was excited to roll scum in this game, I figured I'd have an excuse to be steamrolled but if I did a good job it would be a huge accomplishment but no, I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money.

So get it together boys, we are policy lynching lurkers, we aren't going to be mean to each other and we are going to catch scum. And we'll start with Hapa making a case on me, why? Because its tradition is why.


Promethelax even admits that his post is awful and that we should call him out on it. Sounds great to me! This kinda bait is definitely a mafia trait and if he thinks he's posting bad then we should definitely lynch him for it. The reason being, if he knows his post his bad why is he making it in the first place? His initial post accomplishes nothing and says nothing and only adds fluff to the thread. I am also bothered by his most recent thread post:

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 22:42 Promethelax wrote:
On January 21 2014 19:25 marvellosity wrote:
On January 21 2014 13:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's just one of those things that may or may not end up adding up to something. Prome's thing is worse to me because he literally made up reasoning to respond to me. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. Fluffy? What does that even mean?

You don't think Prome is being typical arch-bullshitter as per usual?


Sometimes it worries me that you and I know each other so well when it comes to this game. Sometimes it makes me warm and fuzzy.

People I don't like:
Foolishness (total lack of justification and his total dismissal of VE/Hapa as townie v townie, both of them are totally capable of what they have done so far as scum and to just not be interested in them at all is scummy)
Kita (said "I don't call people scummy early because it makes people listen to me less later" which isn't true and so totally wired that it rings scummy since I cannot figure out what it gives a town Kita while it does provide some benefit to a scum Kita.)

People who are Gonzaw but haven't posted Gonzaw like posts after fluff o'clock :
Gonzaw

Because all his reads feel very convenient. There is nothing in his filter that gives us new information or his original thoughts.

I'm leaving my vote where it is for now, honestly Promethelax is the best lynch right now because the case on him is the strongest, but I need to hear opinions on WaveOfShadow while we have the time.




Who we are lynching today: Promethelax, WaveOfShadow.

If they died probably not a huge loss: marvellosity, HolyFlare, Gonzaw

Everyone else deserves to live another day at the least.



In case you're talking about something more recent, the mafia are in the following people: Promethelax, HolyFlare, Sandroba, Marvellosity. WaveOfShadow's vote is really meh but he's probably town and I'm over-thinking it (and I'm also probably biased from my day 1 read of him). Everyone else is town, if you want an explanation then ask and say who. I don't have time to respond to all your tunnel arguments.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
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