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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 22 2014 22:08 GMT
#761
eh keep getting distracted. Shall go hunt.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 22 2014 22:09 GMT
#762
On January 23 2014 07:05 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 07:04 austinmcc wrote:
How do we know sandro is replacing out? Did i miss something?


He didn't vote and has been AFK for like 30 hours...?
He's not the only person to not vote yet, and I don't think there's an hourly post requirement. Also if two people have to replace out of a game in which we got like a month of notice and were told to be available.... (or at least sandro got that notice)


I don't want to lynch HF.

He was poking at some stuff I liked being poked at (prome on WoS/VE), I like his posts at Gonzaw regarding Foolishness. I particularly like this post
On January 22 2014 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 06:07 gonzaw wrote:
Well Hapa, it's not strange if he's scum isn't it?


How about answering the posts directed at you so I can get into your brainz.

Not a 100% townie thing, but I think very very very very likely that this is not a post mafia makes. Doesn't joke, wants Gonzaw to really respond about Foolishness stuff (one of the two things HF seemed interested/involved in), and it's just mildly jokey. I like it for town.


Fe fi fo fum.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 22:11 GMT
#763
LOL MANCHESTER UNITED

....sorry couldn't contain myself

While I read Prome, please someone comment about austin. At least tell me I'm an idiot and he's obvs town like Foo did
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 22 2014 22:11 GMT
#764
sandroba is not a good lynch when Promethelax and HolyFlare are still alive.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-22 22:12:00
January 22 2014 22:11 GMT
#765
Vote Count - Deadline at Wednesday, Jan 22 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Foolishness (3): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw
Promethelax (2): Foolishness, Kitaman27 VisceraEyes
Kitaman27 (1): Promethelax, WaveofShadow
Sandroba (1): marvellosity, kitaman27, kitaman27
WaveOfShadow (0): Foolishness
HolyFlare (0): marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw VisceraEyes
Hapahauli (0): VisceraEyes
VisceraEyes (0): Hapahauli, kitaman27

Not voted (4): Austinmcc, Sandroba, HolyFlare, Haupahauli

If you notice a mistake, please let us know!
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 22 2014 22:13 GMT
#766
On January 23 2014 07:05 gonzaw wrote:
It's like....first people are a little suspicious of Prome (VE and Foo call him scum, etc). Then everybody has town reads on Prome. But now that the lynch is coming, suddenly everybody jumps on the Prome bandwagon, when he isn't even here to defend himself (Foo, kita and now austin, and maybe somebody else I forgot).

I'm not quite comfortable with that.
I, too, would be willing to vote for "that creepy feeling that the thread is giving off right now", but I don't think it's a valid vote option.


On January 23 2014 07:11 gonzaw wrote:
LOL MANCHESTER UNITED

....sorry couldn't contain myself

While I read Prome, please someone comment about austin. At least tell me I'm an idiot and he's obvs town like Foo did
Austin is not obvs town, but he's working his way there. You are misremembering some things about his play, part of the reason you're scummy on him is that his reads differ from yours, which isn't definitively scummy or townie until people actually flip, and you may not have read some recent games of his.
Fe fi fo fum.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 22:14 GMT
#767
Part of the reasons I was scummy on you was the fact you had 0 scumreads 4 hours before D1 ended, remember?
Prome is your 1st scum read in this whole game basically
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
January 22 2014 22:15 GMT
#768
Sup. I'm 95% convinced prom is scum. I could go on and explain my absence etc, but I won't. Let's talk about important things instead.
Getting past the openning post that has already been discussed, his come back post with the kita vote does not make sense for town prom:
On January 23 2014 00:00 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 01:50 kitaman27 wrote:
How much time did you spend looking into Foolishness's history gonzaw? Additionally, what is the point of posting a guide on how to read Foolishness? If you point out his scum qualities before he has any actual posts, do you expect him to read your guide and then get caught anyways? Do you think this was an efficient use of your town as a player who hasn't even read the thread?

When I think of a player that gets off to a trolly start as town, Foolishness is one of the first people to come to mind so I disagree with your assessment based on the posts that you have cherry picked.

I'm still content with my vote on him however based on activity.


This kind of post is why I feel all hinky about you Kita.

Rest of the thread: this post adds nothing to the discussion, doesn't do anything but castigate Gonzaw (a player who, based on length of post alone looks townie) and tries to throw doubt everywhere. It reminds me of a Kita scum game with WBG where the two of them got in the thread every time a lylch they didn't like was discussed to talk shit about the lynch by attacking the guy who was leading said lynch. Can anyone remember said game? Either way, that is with or without that meta, this rings of scum to me enough that I am comfortable laying down a
##Vote:Kitaman


This is clearly a total misconception of what kita is trying to acomplish in his post which was question gonzaw in his motives when making an useless post about foolishness early meta and move the thread off an issue he deemed unimportant at the time. Not only that, the reason he he votes for him is because it "reminds him of a game in which he did something simillar" and was scum. Not only this already smells of total bullshit, this already makes sense from the backward logic scum normally has of first deciding who to vote for and later trying to justify it, twisting it to suit their needs. If you are not convinced take a look at how prom presents his vote in the recent pyp game as town:
On December 04 2013 17:36 Promethelax wrote:
Johnnylaw

Not even a name I recognize. Given that he doesn't even have a mafia database entry I'll assume he is new.. As always anyone who knows anything about the individual who can add anything metawise would be greatly appreciated.

According to an old Gonzaw heuristic I'd have to call JL scum, he stopped posting while getting boozed up. You can't trust a dude who stops posting while his guard is down.

Based on his early posts I'll assume Johnnylaw is a LoL convert brought over by Wave. Dude knows his LoL (and I don't, so a lot of his early posts are not in a language I speak).

DINGDINGDING we have a winner folks
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 11:18 JonnyLaw wrote:
On December 01 2013 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
but jcarl is scum so... i dont't give a fuck


This makes no sense. There's not a lot of pressure on you because you're flipping it on everyone else. Just fucking calm down, make your arguments and wait while we gain more information as people post, vote and draft. I get that you're making people talk and that will help us down the line but for now we have little information and ten pages of personal attacks and shit posting is clogging up the whole fucking thread.

Get your shit together or I'm saying you are scum or at the least, not helping the town actively.


The series of personal attacks and shit posting for ten pages gave me nothing yet. I'll post again after I see what scum ban.


Holy double donkey dicks. Would lynch off of this post.
1. threat
2. it was a weak threat
3 that last sentence. You know what ten pages of shitposting gives a townie? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with bum lead.
4. the whole thing is a soft grab for town points, its a 'ooh but bad thread atmosphere is bad' post with out doing anything to fix what it complains about. Scum love to agree with something being anti town while doing nothing to prevent it.

So far this post is the scummiest thing I've read in this thread. Would lynch.

This post is pretty awful to (its directed at bum)
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote:
Warwick's not a strong first pick. + Show Spoiler +
At night, you may submit the name and champion name of a player


This means we need to know which champion the player has successfully picked. Why pick trynd at all? Just so you know who has tryndamere? There's not a chance in hell I'm picking that champion. I plan to contribute to winning this game. Dealing damage to people above/below me does not help us win the game. I don't even understand.

Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is.


"I don't understand, therefore you are scum" = scummy
"I don't understand, I would like to understand" = townie
which is the above? Oh yes, the former. Johnnylaw is not making new points of his own, is arguing for and against nothings and keeps grabbing at town points while attacking town favoured plans. Note that he argues with the usefulness of the plan but does not provide a better plan, he is tearing down not bringing up.

Corollary to the Chezinu rule, the kushmasta rule.
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 06:25 JonnyLaw wrote:
Okay, I was out all day yesterday. Two hours later I've finally caught up in the thread.

gtrs - I dont like how his filter reads but he hasn't really given us much to lynch him either. I know he's capable of playing better as town so either he's busy, lazy or scum. None of these qualities help us win the game.

Soniv - fine for now. Looks to be making an effort to push the game towards a goal.

kushmasta - Like really? This guy comes into the thread and starts calling people scum in one liners and generally shitting the place up. He replaced OWB who completely shut down and hated playing scum in NMM L. The random tooscummytobescum post irritates me as well.

The rest have longer filters and I need to evaluate them. Just reading through the last 20 pages hasn't left me with other strong feelings yet.

I'll be checking filters and around for a while.

twenty pages of reading twenty four hours after his last thread appearance and the only kinda scummy thing he picks up on is that kush is a weird ass dude. I could have told you that for free.
He also says that gtsrs is playing the game. Which is not a conclusion. Everyone can see that gt is busy/lazy/scum JL doesn't provide any insight, he says he didn't like something and follows it with nothing until VE brings it up again at which time JL +1s like a champ.
He does these quick summaries of people which I can't stand, many of you know my stance on list posts without content and JL has many posts which are just one continuous contentless list. A bit of an excuse since Sandro asked him to look at those particular filters but in reality he said nothing about the four players.

Conclusion rating 4.5

my qualms with a JL lynch. The kid may be so new he doesn't see what he is doing and is unsure of how to contribute in a large game, lord knows its hard. He could be throwing around dog crap posts because he simply doesn't know how to make better posts, he seems relativly involved in the thread and has intereacted with many players by name and by idea. For now he looks like my first pressure for day two but I am not yet confidant I will want to lynch him. If I had to guess most likely scum out of the players I have filtered so far I'd take JL no questions asked.

You could go on and compare both filters from these games and notice how different his tone and assertiviness are a lot different this game in a mafia oriented way. In this game his play is totally reactive and comes from a defensive position, where in the game he was town, even replacing in a slot that had a fair bit of suspicion on it he promoted discussion and basically took over the game.
The man is scum.
##vote: promthelax
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 22 2014 22:16 GMT
#769
On January 23 2014 07:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 06:57 marvellosity wrote:
Why is VE playing in some other random scrub game and not in this game at deadline btw?

That's not very nice. :/


marv so mean. I'd never treat you that way VE.

Heading home so I'll be afk for the next 30 minutes or so.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 22 2014 22:16 GMT
#770
On January 22 2014 23:42 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 23:14 Holyflare wrote:
On January 21 2014 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
On January 21 2014 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
On January 21 2014 22:51 gonzaw wrote:
Fluff o clock just happens to be at the same time as my foot massage time Promy prom
Im at work. Skimmed and theres too much blablabla ill ignore.
Ill gladly focus on foo and maybe marvy when i get home. But right now, marv is right, unless anything more interestong happens foolishness should be D1 lynch. WHY CANT YOU BE TOWM FOO I REALLY WANT YOU TO!!
Im scared of kita since he seems to have that umreadable type of attitude when playing and pressuring. Doesnt help he gets into fluffy discussions and shit.



Why Foolishness over sandroba? They have both posted nothing. Your goal is clearly to lynch a lurker today so why are you going to ignore the rest of what has happened on day 1 when your intentions are already set in stone?

The wording of this question doesn't make sense, because the red follows logically from the green, no?


There is clearly more than 1 scum in this game. If he has found 1 why has he got the intention to not read to find another?


Will follow up on this as I read but this post stands out on my so-bad-it-has-to-come-from-town radar. The post so deeply misunderstands how to play mafia as a whole and places pressure so fully away from anything resembling clear thought that it does nothing. I cannot expound enough on how poor I think this line of thought is.
But I don't see it coming from a scummer since my memory of HF is that he doesn't suck at scum and wouldn't post something so totally awful if he was concerned about how other people read him.

I don't think these 2 are mafia together.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 22 2014 22:17 GMT
#771
^ That's a decent observation
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 22 2014 22:18 GMT
#772
On January 23 2014 07:14 gonzaw wrote:
Part of the reasons I was scummy on you was the fact you had 0 scumreads 4 hours before D1 ended, remember?
Prome is your 1st scum read in this whole game basically
you may not have read some recent games of his.
Unless I see something I'm super scummy on or interested in, I think that's kinda how I want to play.

LXIII was a different setup because I didn't HAVE to lynch anyone D1, but you can read my filter there AND if you check the game all the complaints from people about my lack of scumhunting. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275

Thug Life I replaced in, so again, somewhat different, but iirc on D2 I'm mainly yelling about why the lynch candidates are NOT mafia, but don't present a solid other option for lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897

Not that mafia-me is SUPER DUPER SCUMHUNTY on D1, but at the very least, I think some recent games that we weren't in together are SOMEWHAT similar to this one, and I was town. It's a matter for after the lynch probably, unless you want to spend time now looking at em.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 22 2014 22:19 GMT
#773
Can you say anything more about prom this game, sandro?
Fe fi fo fum.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 22:20 GMT
#774
So sandro, would you be okay if we lynch you, and if you flip town follow your dreams and lynch Prome on D2?
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 22 2014 22:22 GMT
#775
On January 23 2014 06:03 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 23 2014 05:51 Foolishness wrote:
On January 23 2014 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 22 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
ok he can stay for now

##unvote


Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell?

Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum?

I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm
kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher
But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine

i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying

Yeah...I'm in agreement with a lot of marv stuff from his filter, and the timing at which he posted stuff. One thing that stuck out is the above.
I'm wondering why marv gave me a ??? at that point considering it seems likely he thought I was town before that from his attitude towards me.

Meh..maybe not.
And then this comes after my return
On January 23 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:
On January 23 2014 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote:
On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.

Wave looks better, for obvious reasons


Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful.

Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread?

I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being.

##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare

Wave is waffling earnestly at length as I'd expect him to. Although he's only got one scumgame, I'd very much expect him to be more direct than he has been if mafia. I've been suspicious of him in two reasonably recent games for being slow and waffly (##, LXIV) and now it just seems it's how he opens day 1 as town. So maybe not obvious after all. I just think his thought process is transparent. Like he's posted a lot of his thought process, where's his agenda?

Mainly with Holy that he seems angrier than was justified. But most of all it's the constant niggling at Hapa, especially with his last post(s) when Hapa was by a large margin the towniest guy in the thread. It's just not natural at all. Tbh I don't make a massive amount of his absence, I believe he'd be here posting as either alignment, so not that alignment indicative.

I guess I expect marv to know...I dunno...more about me? Maybe why I was shocked he found me scummy in those games because I don't believe i've shifted my meta all that much in between games, and town-marv always seems to find me town eventually for all the right reasons.

Yeah....would not lynch, but marv you left me high and dry---our palaver did not quench my thirst for you this game. (And it's basically become tradition at this point)

I'm not upset with any of Marv's individual posts, but his overall play so far.

There's a lot of 'overall play' I'm disappointed with atm, Prome included to some degree.
Does it make those people scum?

No, but Marvellosity is known for getting things done on day 1.


I keep wanting to think you are town but you come up with bullshit like this that isn't even remotely true. I cannot believe that town foolishness actually believes these things as they are not remotely true.

##unvote
##vote: foolishness


I simply cannot connect the idea of foolishness being a good town player and him being town while saying things so blatantly false about so many players in this game.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
January 22 2014 22:23 GMT
#776
What more do I need to say? The man is scum. I could go on and talk about other people that might be scum, but I'd rather we save it for after we lynched the scum that's certain.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 22:23 GMT
#777
Nice of you to tell us to go read his entire filter from another game 30 minutes before the day ends sandro.

It's shit like this I do not tolerate and would be willing to policy lynch you right now. Hell I think I might try and just do that, but have to read that Prome filter first (goddamed this Man U - Sunderland match never ends).
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
January 22 2014 22:24 GMT
#778
On January 23 2014 07:20 gonzaw wrote:
So sandro, would you be okay if we lynch you, and if you flip town follow your dreams and lynch Prome on D2?

Why would I be okay with that? No. Let's lynch prom then we move on to lynch other people that might be scum insteas of lynching town.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 22:24 GMT
#779
Oh cool another guy randomly appearing before deadline.

GOOD GOD PEOPLE
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 22 2014 22:26 GMT
#780
So Fool and sand are both on Prome

i don't like that lynch very much.

In the part of Prome's filter where he attacked Fool and then voted kita which didn't make very much sense to me given he was apparently suspicious of Fool earlier, but now he's back voting Fool which makes more sense. Kinda confusing actually
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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