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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 23 2014 05:33 gonzaw wrote:
Foolishness, who of these 2 is mafia?
sandroba
marvellosity
Assume you HAVE to pick ONLY ONE of them. Which one do you pick and why?
Marvellosity. He's posted a bunch and hasn't done anything. Can you tell me without looking at his filter something that marvellosity has done for the town this game?
+ Show Spoiler +The real answer to your question is "both"
On January 23 2014 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
But I am in no way convinced about Prome by your earlier case, like, at all. Your return simply makes me want to lynch you less.
Are you going to vote for HolyFlare then?
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On January 22 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
ok he can stay for now
##unvote Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum? I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying
Yeah...I'm in agreement with a lot of marv stuff from his filter, and the timing at which he posted stuff. One thing that stuck out is the above.
I'm wondering why marv gave me a ??? at that point considering it seems likely he thought I was town before that from his attitude towards me.
Meh..maybe not.
And then this comes after my return
On January 23 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful. Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread? I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being. ##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare Wave is waffling earnestly at length as I'd expect him to. Although he's only got one scumgame, I'd very much expect him to be more direct than he has been if mafia. I've been suspicious of him in two reasonably recent games for being slow and waffly (##, LXIV) and now it just seems it's how he opens day 1 as town. So maybe not obvious after all. I just think his thought process is transparent. Like he's posted a lot of his thought process, where's his agenda? Mainly with Holy that he seems angrier than was justified. But most of all it's the constant niggling at Hapa, especially with his last post(s) when Hapa was by a large margin the towniest guy in the thread. It's just not natural at all. Tbh I don't make a massive amount of his absence, I believe he'd be here posting as either alignment, so not that alignment indicative.
I guess I expect marv to know...I dunno...more about me? Maybe why I was shocked he found me scummy in those games because I don't believe i've shifted my meta all that much in between games, and town-marv always seems to find me town eventually for all the right reasons.
Yeah....would not lynch, but marv you left me high and dry---our palaver did not quench my thirst for you this game. (And it's basically become tradition at this point)
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
I think marv, sandroba, Prom is my personal top three right now.
If foolishness is mafia with someone like VE/Holy, he is doing a great job at appealing to my interests XD
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 23 2014 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
ok he can stay for now
##unvote Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum? I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying Yeah...I'm in agreement with a lot of marv stuff from his filter, and the timing at which he posted stuff. One thing that stuck out is the above. I'm wondering why marv gave me a ??? at that point considering it seems likely he thought I was town before that from his attitude towards me. Meh..maybe not. And then this comes after my return Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:On January 23 2014 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful. Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread? I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being. ##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare Wave is waffling earnestly at length as I'd expect him to. Although he's only got one scumgame, I'd very much expect him to be more direct than he has been if mafia. I've been suspicious of him in two reasonably recent games for being slow and waffly (##, LXIV) and now it just seems it's how he opens day 1 as town. So maybe not obvious after all. I just think his thought process is transparent. Like he's posted a lot of his thought process, where's his agenda? Mainly with Holy that he seems angrier than was justified. But most of all it's the constant niggling at Hapa, especially with his last post(s) when Hapa was by a large margin the towniest guy in the thread. It's just not natural at all. Tbh I don't make a massive amount of his absence, I believe he'd be here posting as either alignment, so not that alignment indicative. I guess I expect marv to know...I dunno...more about me? Maybe why I was shocked he found me scummy in those games because I don't believe i've shifted my meta all that much in between games, and town-marv always seems to find me town eventually for all the right reasons. Yeah....would not lynch, but marv you left me high and dry---our palaver did not quench my thirst for you this game. (And it's basically become tradition at this point)
I'm not upset with any of Marv's individual posts, but his overall play so far.
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Really Foo? You really believe that stuff you mention about austin? "He's town just because he's posting"
From what I know about Austin (which isn't that much) he likes to make good, long posts with lots of analysis, similar to a Foolishness or Kitaman
Can you please show me those analysis of his from this game?
On January 23 2014 05:44 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:33 gonzaw wrote:
Foolishness, who of these 2 is mafia?
sandroba
marvellosity
Assume you HAVE to pick ONLY ONE of them. Which one do you pick and why? Marvellosity. He's posted a bunch and hasn't done anything. Can you tell me without looking at his filter something that marvellosity has done for the town this game? + Show Spoiler +The real answer to your question is "both"
Do you think it's possible both of them are town?
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IF VE is scum I will have a big sad.
I'm quickly running out of time as I won't be here for lynch so I may have to sheep someone---my other strong townreads aren't here atm so it may be gonzaw.
Gonzaw assuming you now hold my vote as well and could place it where you wanted, which of the two you mentioned would you put it on?
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On January 23 2014 05:51 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 22 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
ok he can stay for now
##unvote Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum? I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying Yeah...I'm in agreement with a lot of marv stuff from his filter, and the timing at which he posted stuff. One thing that stuck out is the above. I'm wondering why marv gave me a ??? at that point considering it seems likely he thought I was town before that from his attitude towards me. Meh..maybe not. And then this comes after my return On January 23 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:On January 23 2014 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful. Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread? I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being. ##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare Wave is waffling earnestly at length as I'd expect him to. Although he's only got one scumgame, I'd very much expect him to be more direct than he has been if mafia. I've been suspicious of him in two reasonably recent games for being slow and waffly (##, LXIV) and now it just seems it's how he opens day 1 as town. So maybe not obvious after all. I just think his thought process is transparent. Like he's posted a lot of his thought process, where's his agenda? Mainly with Holy that he seems angrier than was justified. But most of all it's the constant niggling at Hapa, especially with his last post(s) when Hapa was by a large margin the towniest guy in the thread. It's just not natural at all. Tbh I don't make a massive amount of his absence, I believe he'd be here posting as either alignment, so not that alignment indicative. I guess I expect marv to know...I dunno...more about me? Maybe why I was shocked he found me scummy in those games because I don't believe i've shifted my meta all that much in between games, and town-marv always seems to find me town eventually for all the right reasons. Yeah....would not lynch, but marv you left me high and dry---our palaver did not quench my thirst for you this game. (And it's basically become tradition at this point) I'm not upset with any of Marv's individual posts, but his overall play so far.
There's a lot of 'overall play' I'm disappointed with atm, Prome included to some degree.
Does it make those people scum?
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On January 23 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
IF VE is scum I will have a big sad.
I'm quickly running out of time as I won't be here for lynch so I may have to sheep someone---my other strong townreads aren't here atm so it may be gonzaw.
Gonzaw assuming you now hold my vote as well and could place it where you wanted, which of the two you mentioned would you put it on?
Foolishness.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 23 2014 05:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I think marv, sandroba, Prom is my personal top three right now.
If foolishness is mafia with someone like VE/Holy, he is doing a great job at appealing to my interests XD
I already said that I'm prefectly okay with HolyFlare getting lynched. And by perfectly okay, I really mean okay. As in, if guys are that convinced that Promethelax needs another chance then please let me know now so I can move my vote.
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On January 23 2014 05:54 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
IF VE is scum I will have a big sad.
I'm quickly running out of time as I won't be here for lynch so I may have to sheep someone---my other strong townreads aren't here atm so it may be gonzaw.
Gonzaw assuming you now hold my vote as well and could place it where you wanted, which of the two you mentioned would you put it on? Foolishness.
So not marv/sandroba then.
I might still be able to get behind that. His answers were good enough...they fit for lack of a better term, and I'm not bothered by the same thing you are regarding his read of austin but it's the early play that doesn't make sense to me. I can't reconcile his using the barest effort he put in for the first 30 or so hours of the game to first toss a vote up on me and give what appeared to me to be 'not the greatest' reads...
I want to re-look over his case on Prome because I already know I thought hsi case on me was pure bunk and I said so earlier---I'm a little too self-focused.
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And if I vote Holy now btw it would be something along the lines of policy for the replacement business because I won't have time before I leave to give a read that will satisfy me enough. I don't want to policy.
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Maybe it's the bias, but sorry Foo your posts make no attempt whatsoever at convincing me you are town.
The way you think austin is like confirmed town...when he STILL doesn't have a SINGLE suspicion nor candidate to lynch, and the fact you say he's making "posts full of analysis, similar to Foolishness". If you mean the Foolishness from THIS game then sure, if you mean the famous Town Foolishness we all remember, then surely you are trolling, right?
You still think Prome is scum while adding nothing new at all, even when your previous case wasn't that great and Prome posted lots of new stuff and made that "stream of consciousness" stuff.
You seem to have lots of town reads you are somehow so confident on with either no (VE) or bad (austin) reasoning, yet you still call them like 100% town. I can't know how you can arrive at those conclusions at all with what's been going on in the thread (i.e you seem to have more info than us, i.e you are scum). You know what they say, if someone is spouting lots of town reads, watch out.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 23 2014 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:51 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 22 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
ok he can stay for now
##unvote Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum? I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying Yeah...I'm in agreement with a lot of marv stuff from his filter, and the timing at which he posted stuff. One thing that stuck out is the above. I'm wondering why marv gave me a ??? at that point considering it seems likely he thought I was town before that from his attitude towards me. Meh..maybe not. And then this comes after my return On January 23 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:On January 23 2014 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful. Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread? I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being. ##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare Wave is waffling earnestly at length as I'd expect him to. Although he's only got one scumgame, I'd very much expect him to be more direct than he has been if mafia. I've been suspicious of him in two reasonably recent games for being slow and waffly (##, LXIV) and now it just seems it's how he opens day 1 as town. So maybe not obvious after all. I just think his thought process is transparent. Like he's posted a lot of his thought process, where's his agenda? Mainly with Holy that he seems angrier than was justified. But most of all it's the constant niggling at Hapa, especially with his last post(s) when Hapa was by a large margin the towniest guy in the thread. It's just not natural at all. Tbh I don't make a massive amount of his absence, I believe he'd be here posting as either alignment, so not that alignment indicative. I guess I expect marv to know...I dunno...more about me? Maybe why I was shocked he found me scummy in those games because I don't believe i've shifted my meta all that much in between games, and town-marv always seems to find me town eventually for all the right reasons. Yeah....would not lynch, but marv you left me high and dry---our palaver did not quench my thirst for you this game. (And it's basically become tradition at this point) I'm not upset with any of Marv's individual posts, but his overall play so far. There's a lot of 'overall play' I'm disappointed with atm, Prome included to some degree. Does it make those people scum?
No, but Marvellosity is known for getting things done on day 1.
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On January 23 2014 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:54 gonzaw wrote:On January 23 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
IF VE is scum I will have a big sad.
I'm quickly running out of time as I won't be here for lynch so I may have to sheep someone---my other strong townreads aren't here atm so it may be gonzaw.
Gonzaw assuming you now hold my vote as well and could place it where you wanted, which of the two you mentioned would you put it on? Foolishness. So not marv/sandroba then.
Definitely not marv right now. Sandro neither, unless it's only for policy. He's getting modkilled or replaced as well apparently.
If you can't be here by the deadline, well, it kind of sucks we have 1 less "reasonable" vote around.
Vote for whoever you want lynched, and if you don't really know that, vote for whoever you want to have just 1 more vote, so we use that info to determine the correct lynch today.
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On January 23 2014 06:03 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 05:51 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 22 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
ok he can stay for now
##unvote Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum? I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying Yeah...I'm in agreement with a lot of marv stuff from his filter, and the timing at which he posted stuff. One thing that stuck out is the above. I'm wondering why marv gave me a ??? at that point considering it seems likely he thought I was town before that from his attitude towards me. Meh..maybe not. And then this comes after my return On January 23 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:On January 23 2014 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful. Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread? I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being. ##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare Wave is waffling earnestly at length as I'd expect him to. Although he's only got one scumgame, I'd very much expect him to be more direct than he has been if mafia. I've been suspicious of him in two reasonably recent games for being slow and waffly (##, LXIV) and now it just seems it's how he opens day 1 as town. So maybe not obvious after all. I just think his thought process is transparent. Like he's posted a lot of his thought process, where's his agenda? Mainly with Holy that he seems angrier than was justified. But most of all it's the constant niggling at Hapa, especially with his last post(s) when Hapa was by a large margin the towniest guy in the thread. It's just not natural at all. Tbh I don't make a massive amount of his absence, I believe he'd be here posting as either alignment, so not that alignment indicative. I guess I expect marv to know...I dunno...more about me? Maybe why I was shocked he found me scummy in those games because I don't believe i've shifted my meta all that much in between games, and town-marv always seems to find me town eventually for all the right reasons. Yeah....would not lynch, but marv you left me high and dry---our palaver did not quench my thirst for you this game. (And it's basically become tradition at this point) I'm not upset with any of Marv's individual posts, but his overall play so far. There's a lot of 'overall play' I'm disappointed with atm, Prome included to some degree. Does it make those people scum? No, but Marvellosity is known for getting things done on day 1.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088&user=SuckMyTopdeck
Read his filter there (he's hydra with SnB), and tell me if it changes your read on him or not.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 23 2014 06:07 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:03 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 05:51 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 22 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
ok he can stay for now
##unvote Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum? I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying Yeah...I'm in agreement with a lot of marv stuff from his filter, and the timing at which he posted stuff. One thing that stuck out is the above. I'm wondering why marv gave me a ??? at that point considering it seems likely he thought I was town before that from his attitude towards me. Meh..maybe not. And then this comes after my return On January 23 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:On January 23 2014 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful. Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread? I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being. ##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare Wave is waffling earnestly at length as I'd expect him to. Although he's only got one scumgame, I'd very much expect him to be more direct than he has been if mafia. I've been suspicious of him in two reasonably recent games for being slow and waffly (##, LXIV) and now it just seems it's how he opens day 1 as town. So maybe not obvious after all. I just think his thought process is transparent. Like he's posted a lot of his thought process, where's his agenda? Mainly with Holy that he seems angrier than was justified. But most of all it's the constant niggling at Hapa, especially with his last post(s) when Hapa was by a large margin the towniest guy in the thread. It's just not natural at all. Tbh I don't make a massive amount of his absence, I believe he'd be here posting as either alignment, so not that alignment indicative. I guess I expect marv to know...I dunno...more about me? Maybe why I was shocked he found me scummy in those games because I don't believe i've shifted my meta all that much in between games, and town-marv always seems to find me town eventually for all the right reasons. Yeah....would not lynch, but marv you left me high and dry---our palaver did not quench my thirst for you this game. (And it's basically become tradition at this point) I'm not upset with any of Marv's individual posts, but his overall play so far. There's a lot of 'overall play' I'm disappointed with atm, Prome included to some degree. Does it make those people scum? No, but Marvellosity is known for getting things done on day 1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088&user=SuckMyTopdeckRead his filter there (he's hydra with SnB), and tell me if it changes your read on him or not.
Not sure how much a Hydra game will affect posting behavior (it definitely does). Sure it makes me feel better about marvellosity I'll give you that. I didn't say I'm ready to drop the hammer on him.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424349&user=austinmcc&view=all
That's a game where Austin is mafia, though it is a crazy game. There's absolutely none of the long posts we've seen from him in the current game. He writes lots of one liners and will make the occasional two paragraph post, but there is nothing about his reads or feelings.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
There's also this game where marvellosity is mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=marvellosity&view=all
And there is a notable difference between that game and him this game. In that game where he is mafia he's much more trolly and has a very notable attitude: lots of swearing, calling people idiots, and quoting a post and responding "lol". Now I know his attitude has improved on the whole, but the fact that he's taking this game seriously probably does say something about him.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
austin: Paranoia, but I had to cheat
On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:
Questionable players
Austin
sandroba
marvellosity
Holyflare
Gonzaw
This is roughly in order of most to least town. Austin and sandroba might as well be afk until 3 pages ago, but since coming to the thread both have had strong appearances. I'm okay with them right now because they have brought things to the thread, and it is also obvious that if they continue their activity then they are town. If they keep going afk for long periods of time then start to worry. But I don't feel like that will happen.
The following 3 people are all in the ? category. Marvellosity and Holyflare in particular because for all that they have said I don't feel they have really contributed much. Even as I'm writing this I'm thinking back, "what has marvellosity or holyflare done this game", and I cannot remember a single post they have made. That's a bad sign. Anything mafia indicative off the bat? No so much, but then seem to be here without actually being here.
On January 22 2014 09:22 Foolishness wrote:
I still stand by that marvellosity is a big mystery this game. He's not our lynch today but everyone should have at least one eye on him.
On January 23 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote:
To explain Austin, at the time I made that post where you and sandroba are together, you and him had both shown up to the thread and posted a couple times, but that was it. My thinking was that, "okay, as long as these guys are here and continue to post they should be town". This especially applies to sandroba because he is known for being really inactive as mafia.
You're here and posting, should be obvious that you are town. He's not here and not posting, and that speaks volumes for him.
On January 23 2014 05:44 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:33 gonzaw wrote:
Foolishness, who of these 2 is mafia?
sandroba
marvellosity
Assume you HAVE to pick ONLY ONE of them. Which one do you pick and why? Marvellosity. He's posted a bunch and hasn't done anything. Can you tell me without looking at his filter something that marvellosity has done for the town this game? + Show Spoiler +The real answer to your question is "both"
On January 22 2014 02:05 sandroba wrote:
@foolishness let's chat a bit. What's indicative of scum mentality in that WoS post you quoted? I don't really see it.
@marv besides foolishness whoelse do you think it's worth looking into?
On January 22 2014 02:19 sandroba wrote:
I don't have a problem with kita. He was one of the first people to try to get the thread rolling and I agree with his recent comment on gonzaw's post. Prom and gonzaw are the ones giving me weird vibes so far, maybe foolishness, but I need more from him before I can tell.
So what the fuck is going on here? In the first post, Foolishness is "sandroba's entrance was fine" - I believe this was picked up by multiple people who questioned it - and we never got an answer as far as I can see from Foolish's filter, despite being asked by more than one person (pls don't say i missed it thanks). Also that sandroba is fine as long as he continues posting. sandroba has not continued posting. So... moving on with Foolish's posts, he prefers to lynch me over sandroba on a "general feeling", despite the fact that by his own metric he should really want to be lynching sandroba pretty fucking hard right now.
sand asked Foolish (and me T.T) some really random question, and then in the 2nd post follows this up by randomly tacking Foolish on as someone who is "maybe" giving him scumvibes, as an afterthought. Scum/scum? (connection bad blabla, not going to lynch on this).
Actually Foolish's posts towards sandroba are exceptionally weak and contradictory in that he's basically not following through on his promises to bust sandroba's ass, which he really should be if sandroba is only fine if he continues posting - and sandroba was only fine in the first place because his posts showed some thought (did they really?)Foolish has kinda rumbled that sand is mafia but... yeah. Let me show something from Liar Game analysis:
On May 25 2012 13:49 Ver wrote:Incognito's Analysis: Day 1:Right out the gate on page 6 we have some nice baseline standards for accountability: Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 15:36 EchelonTee wrote:
@Sandroba: Last time you were town in a PM game you broke the hell out of it; if I don't see similar efforts then it's tunnel city. I love when people make these kinds of statements. It gives you something concrete to hold them accountable to. It doesn't matter that it's a bad idea to tunnel, but now if you don't see EchelonTee following up on this that is a huge hint. Looking through his filter, he doesn't really have any comments on this other than a wishy-washy statement about how he could be mafia but isn't apathetic. Classic mafia overreaction to trying to distance themselves from their team. Even though it isn't conclusive, its a good start. One method would be to push for a sandroba lynch and see if EchelonTee responds like he says he would.
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On January 21 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
Since we aren't the run of the mill hokey dory TL types I think its time we set a few ground rules: there should be no discussion of policy lynching lurkers. We simply lynch them. If everyone is good enough to be shadowed everyone is good enough to play the game and we cannot tolerate lurkers.
Prom hasn't followed his own policy, but in the past I've been known to make policy posts in attempt to discourage a behavior, without willing to follow through. It is worth noting that he states that he cannot tolerate lurkers, yet is willing to lynch one of the more active players.
On January 21 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money.
I can't imagine that I would ever find myself making a post like this as town with a straight face.
On January 21 2014 11:41 Promethelax wrote:
I have but you guys had to go and produce actual content while I was bitching about having no content. Stellar start to the game, eh?
This reminds me of the kind of posts you see scum make when they aren't around for a mislynch.
I'm not very swayed by VE's argument that he is treating Wave and VE differently based off similar posts. Even if it may be true, I don't see the reason for giving preferential treatment, though there may be the concern of a read he made up on the spot, rather than a town player looking for evidence.
He defends marv when I really don't think there is a reason to defend him. This may make Prom-marv scum team less likely on second thought.
He attacks my post about calling people scummy. I thought it was obvious that I wasn't being serious, but I will concede that it is possible that might not be the case.
On January 23 2014 00:00 Promethelax wrote:
Rest of the thread: this post adds nothing to the discussion, doesn't do anything but castigate Gonzaw (a player who, based on length of post alone looks townie) and tries to throw doubt everywhere. It reminds me of a Kita scum game with WBG where the two of them got in the thread every time a lylch they didn't like was discussed to talk shit about the lynch by attacking the guy who was leading said lynch. Can anyone remember said game? Either way, that is with or without that meta, this rings of scum to me enough that I am comfortable laying down a
##Vote:Kitaman
My stance on the gonzaw/Foolishness interaction was perfectly reasonable. I felt it was invalid to apply a meta case to a player who had 3 posts. Prom fails to explain the mafia motivation for my dissatisfaction with gonzaw's case. I clearly wasn't trying to lead a lynch against gonzaw, so what was I doing? Protecting my scum buddy Foolishness? He attempts to draw the comparison to The Game mafia suggesting that I was attacking a lynch I didn't like. Yet my vote on Foolishness suggests otherwise. I'm hardly playing thread bully like he suggests.
On January 23 2014 00:00 Promethelax wrote:
But that is the thing, no? Kita is attacking the case on Fool while voting for him. He says that trolly starts are a fooolish M.O. but is voting Fool off of said start. My brain is thoroughly wrinkled.
In fact, he even references my vote on Foolishness. The fact that he is incapable of considering the town motivation to vote a player who had not produced content is puzzling. Even if I hold the stance that gonzaw had provided a bad case, doesn't mean that I'm unwilling to work towards the same goal. He doesn't attempt to explain my motivation, rather he states that he is confused by it.
I don't find his stream of stream of consciousness posts unreasonable. In his second newbie game, he showed that he was capable of
making large posts as mafia. I don't think they contribute much to the thread, as very few of his ideas are new, but I don't have an issue with the posts that he did decide to highlight.
With his vote based on the events up to page 18, he doesn't update his thoughts based on having full knowledge of the thread. It seems like there is a lack of interaction with the rest of the thread, but that could be due to the fact that he is playing catch up for half the game. I don't feel as if these posts were presented because he had a strong idea that he wanted to push, rather he was forced to push out content because he hadn't posted in so long.
There are just so many other things to comment on this game that I find it incredibly hard to believe that Prom thinks that I am the best lynch this cycle. I'm leaning scum on him, but not to the point where I'm 100% confident. He is my strongest read, however, so I think he is the best lynch at the moment.
##Vote Prom
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