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WaveofShadow
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WaveofShadow
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On January 23 2014 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote: That's the thing though, we don't "expect more" we expect actual thoughts and opinions. Having suspicions of someone, and succinctly explaining them, takes actually LESS effort than doing a stream of consciousness catch up thing. It's that I expected LESS. Like, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But I'm not voting for him so ultimately it doesn't matter much. We'll come back to him. I want to post about him and kita again when I have more time later tonight, but I don't think either should be lynched. I feel like I'm defaulting to Foolishness now along with other people, and I worry because this feels like one of those games (and I think I mentioned this before) where someone is going to drop a massive bomb like an hour before lynch and completely mess with shit. If Foolishness does this, what will happen? | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 22 2014 07:11 austinmcc wrote: I actually like point 2 on holy's post about hapa (the backpedaling) and kinda sorta like the contradictory NO LURKERS --> why you guys voting this lurker/that lurker/any lurker stuff. Mainly still just want to see him and hapa chatting in a vacuum right now though. So, what about Holy? You mentioned this right after I made my "case" against him and Hapa made some points against him as well (which you agreed here). So? You never mention him again. You don't mention him right now. What's up with you and Foolishness? Okay, apparently you don't agree with my meta case (for some reason). Okay, that's not too bad I guess. But what about his actual first posts? You think they are GOOD? You only defend him against me attacking him for being "trolly" and the meta case, but what do you think about those posts he made? On January 22 2014 06:54 austinmcc wrote: Can't speak for holy, but with me, it's that given the full menu of anything anyone could be doing, discussion of Foolishness's alignment doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I don't personally feel confident about reading THOSE 3-4 posts as alignment indicative, and don't feel comfortable with reading Foolishness right now. I don't understand anyone else feeling like the BEST read they can get on some scummy dudes is Foolishness. Mainly though, it seems like...good material for scum to post on. Weigh in that he's town, scum, a crocodile, whatever. You can say whatever you want about Foolishness, discuss his alignment until you're blue in the face, but really it comes down to "I think this thing about these 3-4 trolly/nothingposts." Given that, I think it's a more productive topic for scum (they get to post, give reads, but I don't anticipate anyone being lynched later on based primarily/heavily on whatever stance they took on Foolishness right at this second), than it is for town. That's why I don't think discussion should be centered on Foolishness, or heavily concerned with him. I care somewhat about him and his posting, but mainly it feels like a topic that allows mafia to freely post and keep discussion on Foolishness. Ignoring the fact this is all fluffy "oh, I don't want to talk about Foolishness because scum are surely going to discuss Foolishness!", what about now? Nobody gives a shit about Foo right now. Only WOS and VE briefly discussed him, nothing more. So I guess there are no "mafia freely posting and keeping discussion on Foolishness" right? If so it completely invalidates this "defense" of him (or rather, avoidance of making a read on him), so you could as well start having a discussion centered on Foolishness. You can start by, like, posting what you think of his 2 "big" posts, and his reads and stuff. On January 23 2014 04:21 austinmcc wrote: Not pointless. You want to lynch Foolishness, either a bunch or to a decent degree. You've got some problems with his play. Looking at Parallel Worlds, i do not see the same stuff there as here. scumFoolishness there wasn't trolly, dropping dumb votes, etc. On December 12 2012 10:17 Foolishness wrote: I don't even think it's worthwhile to bother with the swapping. Knowing Greymist there's probably random swaps every night whether we want them or not. We have to lynch someone, we figure out who. Other world should be figuring out who they want to lynch tomorrow. Anyways I'm voting for marvellosity cause he's mafia. ##Vote: marvellosity WRONG. Anyways, you seem to be making a meta case FOR his posts not being scummy. Does that mean you think his early 3 posts were not scummy? Why austin? Everybody basically agrees they are somewhat scummy. Why are you DEFENDING those posts of his via some weird meta? Take those posts for what they are, posts from a player playing this game. What do they tell you? At the very least, I take issue with 1 and 4 above in your summary of bad things about Foolishness. 3 is a perfectly legitimate question for anyone who was townie on Foolishness because of his reads in particular. Why do you take issue with 1? You think it doesn't matter that Foo has his vote on a guy he doesn't want to lynch? And about 3, what do you believe? Yes, it's a perfectly legitimate question, so please answer it austin, don't wait for others to do so for you Also, what's up with you and chatting? I thought WOS had an obsession with it, but you seem to be OCD about it wtf | ||
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kitaman27
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gonzaw
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You like that then? | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 23 2014 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote: And for the record I probably am probably scummier on inactive Foolishness than inactive sandroba. Could be bias because I have precedent in PYP for sandroba in terms of an early game lurk then blasting onto the scene, but as was mentioend before (I forget by who atm?) sandroba was actively engaging the thread when he was around, whereas Foolishness basically hasn't talked to anyone, he just threw stuff and fucked off multiple times. That'd be a sexy sexy man | ||
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austinmcc
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On January 23 2014 04:26 gonzaw wrote: No no, I want you to answer "Yeah, doing nothing totally scummy" and then maybe look at Sandro for me, despite you were worried about people swinging votes elsewhere.That post of his is really bad. Total waffle fluff about Holy and WOS, then a completely pointless question. Like really pointless: Don't see how me answering this question at this point has any bearing at all with what's going on, and more importantly with what that post he quoted. It's like a fluff question Hapa or WOS would make early D1, not a question you'd make very late D1 when you have so much other stuff to choose from (you can filter dive me to get info if you want), and there is basically no lynch set in stone. It's some speculative question that doesn't do anything. You want me to answer "Oh, if Hapa did NOTHING, made no votes, no real posts to be scummy or townie, yes he'd be scummier!"? What will you do with that answer? This proves you haven't been reading the thread at all then? This is literally answered in that huge post I made 20 hours ago. I also don't remember him taking a stance on anybody. I think he FoSed Prome? He FoSed Holy at some point, or he agreed with Hapa's post or something. It's a fine question for a time where "nothing is set in stone" if I don't like lynching Foolishness, am unsure what to do with Holy replacing, am cool with WoS after checking his filter, am still pretty cool on Kita, and haven't fully analyzed Prome hard. Marv is somewhat creepy but not the lynch, blah blah. | ||
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kitaman27
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gonzaw
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austinmcc
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On January 23 2014 04:30 gonzaw wrote: I wasn't around for Liar Game. I was around for scum Foolishness in Parallel Worlds. There I see more real posts, much less trolly stuff, from Scum Foolishness, before pressure really on him and after. People are also drawing on Parallel Worlds for the "Big Post" thing, because Foolishness made a big "direct-the-thread" post there once under pressure, similar to his post here, and what I believe he did in AFK Champions Mafia on that other site.This literally answers your question austin. I don't know that Liar Game is a great game to pull a meta from, given how HEAVILY themed it was and the way that voting worked that game. I know you remember it better than I. Parallel Worlds also pretty heavily themed, but the lynch mechanics were, I would argue, more normal than in Liar Game. | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 23 2014 04:51 kitaman27 wrote: Those are two people on my short list, but I wouldn't single those guys out from sandroba or marv. For the sake of consolidating, I'd be satisfied with those two as the main candidate, but the final vote would still likely be based on their final posts. Well, if you don't like them then get to it. Sorry for getting too jiggly with it, but let's get some consolidation please? You are here complaining about the direction and not knowing what to do. I'm trying to get you to do something then. Same with others Can you tell me what you think about the stuff austin posted (i.e his "bad" post)? What about his read on Foolishness, or the fact he doesn't post anything substantial whatsoever? Anything you want to add? If you guys want to single out marv, well, okay. But please put more effort into it. Like, check his previous scum/town games, or put something with more substance as a case. Although I don't really want to go read it (it's kind of long), I don't really have any conflicts with marv's play this game, and, for instance, MTG Mini Mafia 2. The "strange" thing though, is that I don't think I ever played with scum marv with me being town. That was primarily my reason for FoSing him in MTG (since he was playing different than the "usual" town marv). I guess it does mean I don't really know how he'd play as scum against me lol. Anyways, this marv doesn't really seem like he has an agenda. I think I read some previous scum game of his, were you could see he was casting suspicion on people, trying to do "stuff", etc. He's harmless in this game. I also think that marv kind of is using town strategies this game. Like, early on, he said he was gaining some reads, while he was poking people, etc, but he didn't post anything else about them. Marv is a big advocate of the "Keep town in a need to know basis" town strategy. His behaviour early on this D1 certainly felt like that. I couldn't really think of a scenario where he'd do that as scum willingly (it'd either be pointless or too unnecessarily complex) | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 23 2014 04:53 austinmcc wrote: I wasn't around for Liar Game. I was around for scum Foolishness in Parallel Worlds. There I see more real posts, much less trolly stuff, from Scum Foolishness, before pressure really on him and after. People are also drawing on Parallel Worlds for the "Big Post" thing, because Foolishness made a big "direct-the-thread" post there once under pressure, similar to his post here, and what I believe he did in AFK Champions Mafia on that other site. I don't know that Liar Game is a great game to pull a meta from, given how HEAVILY themed it was and the way that voting worked that game. I know you remember it better than I. Parallel Worlds also pretty heavily themed, but the lynch mechanics were, I would argue, more normal than in Liar Game. You would say that a heavily themed game would make a Scum Foolishness be MORE aggressive/confident than in an All-Vanilla game, or the opposite austin? I don't really see a contradiction with a Scum Foo feeling more "intimidated", or (maybe a better term) "not knowing what to do" (thus not really posting much "real posts" with "less trolly stuff") in an All-Vanilla game where there is no setup discussion, no wacky mechanics, no PMs, to hide in, than in a Heavily Themed game where there is. | ||
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gonzaw
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Foolishness
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On January 22 2014 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's something that I still find off about Foolish's reentry post. This is where he explains his super townread of me right? But look at the bolded bit. He's criticizing me asking marv about my Prom post and the part where I share my observation about our interaction, but says that the TOWNIE bit is the last two sentences, the "fluffy" angry nonsense at the end. Like, I'm trying to wrap my head around this. He thinks I'm town, presumably he knows that I share at least Promethelax as a scumread, but he tries to lightly discredit me while calling me townie? And after the entire post, I STILL don't know if he actually READ my post on Promethelax. Something doesn't add up. I'm missing something, somewhere. Bringing light to the fact that your post was incredibly weird minus the last two sentences. It was really odd, and I don't think I'm the only one who said so. You're town and we all know it. Don't pull a gonzaw. On January 23 2014 03:10 gonzaw wrote: You know, I'm kind of serious with this Foolishness stuff. Does any one of you have anything to say about him? Basically: 1)Voting WOS, wanting to lynch other guys, but never change his vote and goes AFK 2)Seeming contradiction, since he almost thought I was scummy scum because I "did" something similar 3)People seemed to find him town because they agreed with him. But right now, apparently town sentiment against WOS and Prome dropped, so what makes that post of him townie now? 4)Remember the time he made a horrible entrance to the game making a scummy vote, pointless post and unfounded reads? 1) I explained why I kept my vote on WoS, since then he has responded and I liked what he said. He's being very affirmative and speaking his thoughts. When I first accused him early in the day I thought the opposite of this (also explained in my earlier posts). Now he's here, he's posting, and he's trying for the town. And that's the direction I started to lean towards when I made my big post. My vote on WoS was to affirm this suspicion, and also to get other people to comment on it. 2) Don't know what you're exactly referring to. But you were being trolly at the start of the day and it was impossible to know what your motives were. Your motives are clear now. As I also said in my recent post, you dying would answer a lot of questions. Not that that's going to happen anytime soon (or ever really). 3) Promethelax is scum. WoS probably not. Read above. 4) Nope. ##Unvote ##Vote: Promethelax | ||
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gonzaw
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Foolishness
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kitaman27
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I think it's pretty likely that he hasn't checked back since his last large post, so I'm not sure I'm willing to come to the conclusion that he doesn't care, rather than assuming he isn't around. I do believe that it was PTP2 where he simply disappeared and we flipped him on day 2, leaving us pretty underwhelmed, so it's not out of the question. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 23 2014 05:10 kitaman27 wrote: The part of Foolishness's play that makes him most likely to be mafia this game is his disregard for his town image. Even in the games where he is a slow starting townie, he still puts a priority on avoiding the day one mislynch by making it clear that he is town. He has never been mislynched as town, so allowing this to happen in a shadow game would be seem to be out of character. I think it's pretty likely that he hasn't checked back since his last large post, so I'm not sure I'm willing to come to the conclusion that he doesn't care, rather than assuming he isn't around. I do believe that it was PTP2 where he simply disappeared and we flipped him on day 2, leaving us pretty underwhelmed, so it's not out of the question. Hmm, ninja'd. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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gonzaw
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On January 23 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote: As I also said in my recent post, you dying would answer a lot of questions. Not that that's going to happen anytime soon (or ever really). Yeah of course. See scum? I'll live for the rest of the game, there is nothing you can do about it! *wink* *wink* | ||
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