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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Basically: 1)Voting WOS, wanting to lynch other guys, but never change his vote and goes AFK 2)Seeming contradiction, since he almost thought I was scummy scum because I "did" something similar 3)People seemed to find him town because they agreed with him. But right now, apparently town sentiment against WOS and Prome dropped, so what makes that post of him townie now? 4)Remember the time he made a horrible entrance to the game making a scummy vote, pointless post and unfounded reads? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Vote: Foolishness You've got my sword gonzaw. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
 Big, dumb, lots of facial hair. Yeah, you've got my axe gonzaw. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Your play is oddly underwhelming right now. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
And you don't want my reason, it's bad. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 23 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote: I don't get why people are picking up on me attacking hapa who "looked towny", he had contradictions in a thought process that I picked up on and questioned. Either way, I apologise for my lack of playing this game. I fully expected to be able to contribute time but my circumstances changed on the day the game started and so each and every single one of my posts has been posted from my phone, I was just picking up on points that I thought were contradictary and the such, no "aggression" is intended it's just how I post (Hogwarts I got called out for being aggressive as scum so there is no way I would ever try and look like that in a game again as scum). Either way, my initial read was on gonzaw being scummy because of his time allocation, that subsequently changed based on his responses and although I mention the repeated bastardisation and misconstruing of my posts that increasingly (as he kept doing it and still is) looks more and more like a tunneled towny and so I used my time to defend myself from him so as to divulge my thought processes and vindicate myself to the person that I think is towny (from the people that I have focused on). I thought hapa was looking scummy because of his contradictions but his response to me made me back off of that. I can't delve into quotes and things like I normally would but please please look at when gonzaw posted that "case" (that I said was heavily misconstrued) on me. The responses that meekly followed that said "yeh, that's true" and "hmmm yeh I can see that" should be heavily scrutinised as they were, like was just said, not backed up by votes. Like I said at the start, you shouldn't let people who get better later "sandroba AND foolishness (although he has posted now)" sit back, they should be entirely pressured. Sandroba even went so far as to get a good ++ (I think?) from foolishness??? despite his less than 1 page filter with nothing contributary in. Either way, I've asked to be subbed out so have fun. Lots of my posts came from my phone as well. You can actually see me here active contributing and shit with those. I don't see you making excuses for not contributing though, just for not being active. You clearly read the thread since you picked all those posts from Hapa and me. What excuse is there to not mention at least a single line about another player who just did something suspicious or something? Remember this? On January 21 2014 23:12 Holyflare wrote: That's not my point. If what Foolishness has posted is in fact indicative of a scum Foolishness and he is your most likely to be lynched target then why are you not reading into the only tangible bit of the thread with content to get other reads and find other scum? It applies to you as well. Like I said at the start, you shouldn't let people who get better later "sandroba AND foolishness (although he has posted now)" sit back, they should be entirely pressured. Sandroba even went so far as to get a good ++ (I think?) from foolishness??? despite his less than 1 page filter with nothing contributary in. Yes you kept repeating this a lot. But why hasn't your view on those two changed at all from that? You pressure those players early D1, you want us to pressure them right now? We lynch right now, not pressure. It seems to me you have this specific narrow "mindset" (think lurkers sandro and foo should be pressured, Hapa contradicted himself, gonzaw weird for talking about Foo, gotta defend myself from them), which you just keep using and keep using over and over. Basically, it's the same mindset and stuff you've been talking about since your 1st post. Your mindset didn't evolve into anything at all. That's one of the things that worries me the most. Townie's mindset evolve, specially on D1 where you start with absolutely nothing and gain lots and LOTS of info as the game progresses. It's very easy, as scum, to just put a single thing on your mind (when you have to post) and make your posts always revolve around those. It's easier to keep your story straight when it has less tangents. Either way, I've asked to be subbed out so have fun. Is this a scum claim? These kind of posts, are those that you can't really just say "fuck you" or whatever, since they deal with out of game stuff that could be real or not (at least his reaction to it can be real or not). But then, this post is still strange Holy for the reasons I mentioned. Apparently this will be your last post this cycle. Maybe it's better to lynch you in the end (I mean...if you are not going to contribute at all and just quitted). | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: HolyFlare Expect me to switch my vote 10000 more times before the end of the cycle though (most likely) | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 23 2014 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't help it. Circumstances are what they are. And you don't want my reason, it's bad. Well VE. Me flipflopping between Foo and Holy and switching votes over and over makes sense (if it doesn't, then just ask, but I think I posted enough about it). You flipping and switching votes between Foo and Holy like you do doesn't. Either you don't give a shit and just change them for the sake of it, or you have some ulterior reason (that makes you torn between which one of those two to lynch) that you haven't posted for some reason. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Just popped in before i went exercise and saw that holy post. Can't get my head around what to think about it in a short space of time, so I'll have to think about it more later will be back in plenty of time before deadline | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
##Vote: Foolishness Holy already has votes on him. Want to put Foo on a playing field to see how others react to the possibility of Foo being a D1 lynch (if I remove the vote, VE will remove the vote, and nobody will give a shit about Foo). | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
I'm willing to give the replacement a change to provide a fresh perspective. Hoping to have time for Prom, though I have some work to take care of first. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
I'm subbing out because I don't have the time to play with my current situation and I can't effectively play in the time constraints I have. You make the argument that I just spent my time defending but I justified why I tried to do that, if I have no time to read filters it should be quite clear why my mindset hasn't evolved. This is your biggest problem this game. You have rationalised me as scum and so your mindset is that everything I do is with the intent of a scummer. However, you don't try and rationalise it as a townie that is under attack and just has no time to play. Don't take my being present as reason for "should be able to contribute", defending takes 0 time at all because I can just tell you my mindset. Either way, if I was scum I wouldn't ask to be subbed because who cares, I die in a game full of good players and get on with my life? I am not allowed to sub till the end of the day and so it is my intention that a player with more time can take my spot and portray my alignment to you far better than me in my current situation. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
(((( Sorry for the resources you spent looking into me :x! | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Gonzaw, I don't think we can be sure what nobody defending HolyFlare means, but I think in the bigger context of this game, we can't get too much from that. Nobody is defending Foolishness either (I might, yeah, think I will), nobody really popped up to defend WoS or Prome while they were getting more attention, and for the most part it's people dropping off "x is scummy" after they've posted more, not actively pushing "WoS or Prome super town." Just not a ton of defending this game in general, imo. Gonzaw, 2 question to start off since you're active right now. On January 23 2014 03:10 gonzaw wrote: You keep poking at Foolishness's past games. Do these things, dinky votes, horrible entrances, pointless posts, fit with scum Foolish? Also, honest question, if someone did these things vs did NOTHING, no votes, no real posts to be scummy or townie, etc, which player would you find scummier?You know, I'm kind of serious with this Foolishness stuff. Does any one of you have anything to say about him? Basically: 1)Voting WOS, wanting to lynch other guys, but never change his vote and goes AFK 2)Seeming contradiction, since he almost thought I was scummy scum because I "did" something similar 3)People seemed to find him town because they agreed with him. But right now, apparently town sentiment against WOS and Prome dropped, so what makes that post of him townie now? 4)Remember the time he made a horrible entrance to the game making a scummy vote, pointless post and unfounded reads? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
From my perspective, that post of his right now basically means he won't post anymore. He won't contribute anymore, nothing. We can't get any info whatsoever from him or his spot until after D1 ends. That would be different if he was just AFK, where we do get info (i.e he's lurking), or if he comes back and does anything else. By having so many suspicions on him, town sentiment against him, by straight up doing that he forces us to lynch him without a second thought, or completely ignore him from now on. However, if we do the 2nd one, it'd introduce way too much chaos into town, specially if there is not much time before the day ends. Town would have to find new suspects and lynch candidates, etc. It opens a weak spot for scum to influence the lynch or for us to straight up fuck up. Doesn't that basically mean, that we have to lynch him? Right now, I don't see town sheeping me into lynching Foo at all. What is town going to do? Hastily vote sandro for not showing up 30 minutes before D1 ends? Having votes split between kita, Prome, Foo and sandro and basically not have any direction whatsoever? What are you guys planning to do? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 23 2014 04:00 kitaman27 wrote: You mentioned that you didn't want to provide reads before being able to elaborate. Was there anyone you had in mind at that point, even if you don't provide reasons? austin, marv, foolishness based on their responses to gonzaw case on me REALLY have to go now | ||
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