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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote: and my analysis was more in-depth than essentially every argument leading up to a vote in this thread. I think it would be weird for mafia to say something like that. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On January 21 2014 12:52 thrawn2112 wrote: So you bum voters think he casually fake-claimed named vt? when did he do that? i thought he claimed normal vt. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
goddammit. i'm gonna mulligan all my thoughts on this game and reread, i've been so sure about kush that I haven't been paying enough attention | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
town kush's filter in "##" Mafia as a smurf Choice quotes from his filter that game (where he was town): On October 30 2013 23:26 OOHCHILD wrote: Reason why I nuked WoS: It was a very impulsive move. I was just pissed that clarity had been lynched instead of him, since i had a pretty good townread on clarity. Should be pretty obvious by now but my scumread on WoS changes every second, from probs town to OMG SUCMMIEST PLAYER in the game as I weight the arguments in my head. Right now I could see him flipping either way. I tried to read through his filter last night but I didn't do it full and I wasn't fully present and I didn't make any good conclusions. On October 30 2013 23:29 OOHCHILD wrote: I was just really angry at him and I wanted to use my powers on someone so I figured eh why not him. Also my read of him changes a lot so I figured cant be that bad because he could be scum anyway. Plus I dont know what it is about WoS but his attitude and everything about him pisses me off for some reason. NO offense WOS! It's me, not you. On November 01 2013 16:18 OOHCHILD wrote: you know im town when i start conspiracy theorizing Hmmmm. After reading his filter more from here and ##, I don't know how sure I am of him being mafia, but I'll still post it because it's relevant. These posts by him from ## made me change my mind plus a gut town read I had on him based on the early game. On October 31 2013 02:21 OOHCHILD wrote: It's kind of lame that everyone wants to lynch me for shit I can't control. And prome in my recent scum games I have not been bussing scum and defending townies. I really only ever did that in games with people who didn't know about it. I remember there was this game where someone who knew about it came in as a replacement and I got fucked. On October 31 2013 04:26 OOHCHILD wrote: cant stay but wtf vayne Why so wishy washy? Also I have never played with even a shred of decency on d1 EVER. TL;DR I'm conflicted on kush's play right now. thrawn brings up decent points about kush's meta, but also I trust what kush says about his own meta when playing as town. Time to go find someone else cause I'm not too sure about kush either way. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
crossfire your kush read is nothing but meta. a bigass post with nothing but meta and no conclusion. why on earth did you post that? | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
On January 21 2014 12:53 kushm4sta wrote: yeah i don't think zarepath is mafia. I think it would be weird for mafia to say something like that. Why's that? | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
On January 21 2014 12:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure zarepath is mafia. About half of his stuff in his case on VE has happened before he makes these posts: If he really thinks that stuff in his case is scummy i doubt he would defend VE against other people for the same stuff earlier on.. ##unvote ##Vote: zarepath I'll look into kush tomorrow in more detail. something does not add up in his scumslip finding. I don't know if I agree with you. He says he is scummy because of all these things, not just 1 of these things. He even specifically says that his first point isn't scummy in and of itself. On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote: I am thinking VE is scummy based off of a few things: 1. Lots of early discussion about the two plans + Show Spoiler + He talked a lot about the two plans and asked others about them, and said so many things about them that people were mixing up which plan he was talking about. Not necessarily scummy in and of itself, but a very easy topic to talk about if you don't actually want to start making reads on people | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
On January 21 2014 13:06 thrawn2112 wrote: maaaaan that is an unhelpful post crossfire your kush read is nothing but meta. a bigass post with nothing but meta and no conclusion. why on earth did you post that? cause I did a bunch of work and didn't feel like posting nothing after reading about kush for however long i did. I also figured it would be helpful in case people wanted to see my thoughts on kush since he seemed to be a hot topic (well at least you constantly pushed him) | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 21 2014 11:46 bumatlarge wrote: VisceraEyes. Read below. If you do not answer sufficiently, I cannot, as a town-aligned player, ever take my vote off you. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) I'm not "blindly agreeing" with bad analysis, if you think the analysis is bad then that's cool whatever, but I don't think it's bad, I agree with it. I mean, just because you think it's bad doesn't make it bad. So this point is, as bum said, very null. Where do you get off that this is a good rebuttal. This is the fluffiest thing I have ever read. This is such a poor over-reaction, when I was merely expecting an explanation to your affirmation of Rayn's post on me. You gave me NOTHING. 2) This doesn't make me scum or town either. Rayn made a post about bum, one I agreed with, and kush was receiving some flak from rayn for not doing anything so I asked him to comment on the post about bum. Because bum hadn't been back to comment on the case there wasn't much to add as far as Bum is concerned, so I'm not sure what he's expecting here. This point also doesn't make me scum. I'm further pushing an explanation that you still have not given. I actually don't care why you asked someone elses opinion, I wanted yours! I want to not have this be my issue but your obsession with beating around it is baffling. 3) More nullery to justify bum's scumread of me. I was discussing the plans OTHERS brought forth. If the ideas were so "asinine" then why not bring it up with the people who brought up the plans? Why is my commenting on them worthy of your lynch? Because it appears intentionally distracting, when your vote is on me! You can understan that your blathering bothers me when you are voting me for what someone else said. You haven't commented on that, and you haven't commente on my defense. It's either lazy or anti-town, and you nee to STOP IT. I consider the matter closed. Unless Bum has some actual reasons to think I'm scum, I strongly urge you guys to vote for this guy. Nope and nope. Not when there is no explanation. In our, "Bum the Scum" gallery, we see the OMGUS blossom into full blown tunneling. On January 21 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Elaborate on your issue with me plz Artanis. Why is my vote on Bum bad? Bum isn't reading the thread, while accusing others of "skimming". He agreed with suki's analysis calling me scum for having "inconsistent views on Kush's plan" when in the posts in question I was actually referring to TWO different plans...and then calls me scum for "blindly agreeing with bad logic". This is pretty cut and dry Artanis. Bum is scum. You should be voting for him. Not making aimless jabs at me. I admitted that your quotes were misconstrued by suki, but I didn't use any of that when I analyzed you here. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: In this chapter, we will be looking at both Raynpelikoneet and VisceraEyes. A Bum Emersion Fanfic[/red On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here are bumatlarge's posts: green: believes claim red: says claim is fake which is it? This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already. Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread. Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about. Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end. TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already. ##Vote: bumatlarge Rayn, next time you grow the balls to analyze me, do me the of reading it before you post so I don't have to waste time answering it. From now on if you have a post that you took 3 seconds to scrounge together an you want me to chime in/repspond to it, I'm not going to if I don't think you are trying. 1 - Completely misread 2 - Completely misconstrued 3 - Who cares? Oh look the exact same amount of effort! On January 20 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oops okay, i misread the red colored part so ignore that. However it does not really matter as that's not really any sort of contribution as it says nothing useful. VE, scum don't need to claim anything at all at this point of the game. Why do you think that's the case? kush why am i town? Oh, I'm completely wrong. but I'll take "minimal blame an keep my vote where it is" for 400 Alex. On January 20 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have literally disagreed with every single thing VE has said in this game, how is it possible for you to have a town read on him? WHAT KIND OF AWFUL ANTAGONIZING STATEMENT IS THAT? Only you would come to a conclusion like that. Either Rayn has no interest in winning or applying himself, yet insists to post whatever pops into his hea into the thread, or he's mafia. You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen! On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting. Bum, who do you find scummy and why? Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact. On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad. I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post. I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing- On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think? On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying. I can give Slam more time I guess. ##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town. 1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now. PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS ##Vote VisceraEyes So you can't say my analysis doesn't hold water because I misread someone else's misconstrued analysis of you, because I never referenced it. On January 21 2014 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn what are YOUR updated thoughts on Bum? You accuse him of being wishywashy, which I agree with. I think that the wishy-washiness combined with the terrible cases on you and me makes him scum. On January 21 2014 04:56 VisceraEyes wrote: So? Neither of those "easy route" things make me scum or even scummy. Who cares if they're "easy"? Does that make the points I raise any less valid? And what if Bum is scum Artanis? Just because bum attacked me first, am I supposed to go after someone else just because bum is "too easy" now? Or Wile, just because rayn attacked him first, am I supposed to find a different target just because Wile is "too easy" now? Even if he's scum? These points don't make any sense. On January 21 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Artanis look at it this way: bumatlarge should know better. I'm getting a lot of flak because of others' expectations of me, and that's fine I guess, but why are people not holding bumatlarge up to the same standard of play? Or higher? Bumatlarge is one of seven(?) players to have played a game on this site for the last SEVEN YEARS. And the cases on me and rayn are what all this experience has yielded? I know that he's completely wrong about at least half of his reads, and the reasoning he gave for having that particular read is fucking TERRIBLE. Do the math guys. This is such a hard tunnel when you haven't presented your case properly. And you start clogging the thread up with nonsense when artanis points this out. You go so far as to attack my mafia experience when I'm trying to generate a better read of you on day one. DAY ONE. You have some nerve if you aren't mafia. On January 21 2014 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: In fact it's bumatlarge who is OMGUSing here if you wanna talk about OMGUS. Oh and fails to contribute nothing else also. Random rayn post, lol wtf rayn? Ok, VE. I want as minimal a chance of you really screwing the pooch because I have no interest lynching you if you are just being exceptionally awkward as town. 1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again. On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here are bumatlarge's posts: green: believes claim red: says claim is fake which is it? This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already. Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread. Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about. Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end. TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already. ##Vote: bumatlarge 2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie. And that's all. Your last twenty posts about me I will just let slide because I have no desire to keep having this argument. Honestly, even if you are mafia, I'd rather keep you around and get a better read on you to be sure, but the nature of your posts do not let me do that! With this: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 12:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Mostly I'm just wondering about why that's in a spoiler if you honestly feel like I'm being unreasonable and are trying to lynch me. Instead it makes me feel like you have something to hide. Honestly. Here's my response to your two questions. 1) Your response wasn't even a response. It was literally just you adding the phrase "he is mafia because of this" to everything you said jokingly. Like, it fooled rayn, but I'm objectively looking bum. Imagine that. Rayn was right, the way you put that entire post is strewn with verbiage that implies that you KNOW I'm capable of this kind of play as town, but you're certain enough to lynch me first. Over everything else and anyone else. You know I do these things as town, and there's nothing in any of your posting that gives any reasoning for being so certain. Everything you mention, you know I do as town as well. So why me bum? Why would me not having much to say about you be scummy? Why would me asking someone else about you necessarily have anything to do with what I think of you anyway? Why can I not be trying to judge HIS alignment based on what he says about you in conjunction with my own thoughts about you? These are all questions you'd have or want, but you don't. You aren't interested in my opinion at all. You vote because you don't like me, by policy. And now you're making shit up to try and justify it. 2) THAT is necessarily scummy to me bum. THAT is why I think you're scum. In conjunction with you blindly agreeing with suki's analysis of me without even reading the situation or my posts at all, you are now trying to make shit up in a spoiler to justify your failtunnel on me. Eat it bum. I don't care if your vote never leaves me. And now it's personal. ##Unvote ##Vote: bumatlarge None of that pertains to what I was asking. 1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again. 2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie. I'm done here. I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish with this. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
You then asked me why I think you're scum. I told you. I'm hoping to get you lynched. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
 Someone else read VE's stuff | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
On January 20 2014 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler +Could lynch for that post. On January 21 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: Crossfire99 I'll go back here until this guy says something. He followed this with a vote on thrawn On January 20 2014 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler +Well in that case: ##Vote: thrawn2112 There is nothing scummy in what kush has done so far. On January 21 2014 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh.. Artanis is probably town after all. I kinda get his thought process but it's not good.. Artanis my vote on thrawn was not a joke. It was a serious vote, i do not joke vote. Then the one against Wile (Slam) On January 20 2014 12:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: What the hell? How can scum hide? You just said a while ago you don't like kush's plan which means you don't take claims for granted. Who cares if someone claims named VT when most likely being lynched. It does not mean shit unless you can tell for sure their claim cannot be false which you can't. If we have named VT's claim now we have 0-4 claims. In case we have 0 claims we learn the setup. If we have 1-3 claims we learn that there are 0-3 fakeclaims which in fact tells us absolutely nothing as you can't confirm anything. If we have 4 claims we learn that we have at least 1 scum in the claimed VT's, one fucking mafia in a group of four people, lol. In every situation mafia learns how many power roles town has, possibly even the whole setup depending on the claim numbers and their roles. Do i need to explain more why the claiming does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GOOD TO THE TOWN AND ONLY HELPS MAFIA?!?!?!!? VE - Crossfire - thesmurfdude / all those people look terrible. VE + Crossfire for not realising something obvious while agreeing that we should not blindly trust claims smurfdude for not reading the thread or if he has for making a useless post that does not contribute towards anything and asks an useless question that has been explained in thread already. ##unvote ##Vote: Wile E. Coyote Next up is bum. On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here are bumatlarge's posts: green: believes claim red: says claim is fake which is it? This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already. Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread. Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about. Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end. TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already. ##Vote: bumatlarge Then kush On January 21 2014 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: kushm4sta stop it already bum, i have no idea what you are trying to do or why you get angry for no reason at all. If i have one invalid point in my case that does not make other points invalid as you try to tell here. I have no read on VE. If i had to give something i'd say scum but i dunno yet. artanis has the next honor On January 21 2014 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda wanna lynch Artanis for his stupid ass case and unwillingness to do anything. And now zarepeth. On January 21 2014 12:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure zarepath is mafia. About half of his stuff in his case on VE has happened before he makes these posts: If he really thinks that stuff in his case is scummy i doubt he would defend VE against other people for the same stuff earlier on.. ##unvote ##Vote: zarepath I'll look into kush tomorrow in more detail. something does not add up in his scumslip finding. Remember this is only a little more than 24 hours into a game and he is already attacking and voting for this many people!? This screams just throwing out cases and hoping one sticks. | ||
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BarristanTheBold
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BarristanTheBold
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
Meh, inconclusive. + Show Spoiler + I wish I hadn't been gone so long | ||
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kushm4sta
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VisceraEyes
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
You win. I'm not going to pursue this charade if no one else finds it worth while. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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