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Wile E. Coyote
Mexico790 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 21 2014 14:54 Wile E. Coyote wrote: votecount? ##unvote ##Vote: Crossfire99 I could maybe do this. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
Kush (3) - Thrawn, Wiley, JonnyLaw VisceraEyes (1) - Zarepath Bum (2) - Kushm4sta, VE Rayn (1) - Artanis[Xp] Zarepath (3) - BarristanTheBold, Suki, Raynpelikoneet Crossfire99 (1) - Wile E. Coyote Currently Kush is set to be lynched. The deadline is Tuesday, Jan 21 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) there are remaining in day one. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On January 21 2014 15:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Bum unvoted. Just sayin. Thankyou | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
His case on Rayn is super weird, where exactly does what rayn does make him scum? He's pressuring a lot of people with cases and votes. Crossfire is calling him scum for not committing to them and switching targets a lot but how does that make rayn scum?? It doesn't. It makes him town. From town perspective everybody starts as neutral and either gets a mafia read or a town read... its the opposite as scum. Rayn builds cases on people he thinks are scum, and posts reasoning too, yet Crossfire just latches onto the action itself and NOT the reasoning of rayn's cases. Rayn is one of the most active people in this game, why does Crossfire feel the need to pressure rayn about something so weak? Then there's this: On January 20 2014 11:06 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't think it's quite that simple. I don't care if there are no named VTs or 1 or 2 or 3. Yes scum will be learn things about the setup, but honestly that doesn't matter because scum already know that there are X to Y power roles from their configuration. What claiming now does is prevent scum from being able to fake claim a named VT later. It prevents stupid things happening at lynches. Additionally, if we have power roles it gives them info about where they should begin using their powers. Even if scum decide to fake claim now, it's not like we're giving the named VTs a free pass, we're just treating them like miller claims where the info helps us and prevents scum from claiming something like that (e.g. miller) in the future. That's all. It all depends if you think it matters if scum knowing the setup is a bad thing or if the claims could even help our power roles. I'll let other people chime in on this. Ok. Back to this crazy Niners-Seahawks game. Where rayn points out why claiming Boxers is a bad thing for town and a good thing for mafia. He essentially brushes that off by saying "mafia already knows information about the setup" without really explaining what. Rayn gives him the courtesy to write out his expected outcomes from the plan but Crossfire does not reciprocate. ##vote Crossfire99 | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
If so, what does your hypothetical scum Crossfire gain from throwing out that rather weak case post against rayn? What's his goal with it? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
balla why is your case against crossfire actually just a townread of rayn? ~~ ve are you having doubts about bum? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On January 21 2014 13:12 Crossfire99 wrote: cause I did a bunch of work and didn't feel like posting nothing after reading about kush for however long i did. I also figured it would be helpful in case people wanted to see my thoughts on kush since he seemed to be a hot topic (well at least you constantly pushed him) this is so town i think. Yet it's really easy to misconstrue this is being scummy. And balla is so underwhelming compared to the newbie I partially observed. @Suki you have experience with balla, what are you thouhts? | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On January 21 2014 12:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not scummy -> scummy later on. yeah this dude is scum. Others have mentioned this but because it's addressed directly at me, let me just say that originally not calling his vote scummy doesn't mean it's not now part of a larger body of evidence for his scumminess. Crossfire's return does seem mostly self-serving and non-contributing to me. I want to know why kush thinks his explanation is so town and not scummy. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On January 21 2014 14:18 bumatlarge wrote: ##unvote You win. I'm not going to pursue this charade if no one else finds it worth while. So you admit it's a charade? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
I still am suspicious of him but maybe that is bias, so I'm going to step back and renew my reads on everyone now. ##Unvote VisceraEyes | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 21 2014 22:28 kushm4sta wrote: That last post seems more honest than scummy No, it seems like backpedalling when he can't reasonably explain himself. Like if he is town, he really thinks why his points against VE make him mafia, and he can explain the logic behind them. If he is not, he can't. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Like if he is town, he really thinks his points against VE make him mafia (at least thought so), and he can explain the logic behind them. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
I think Balla's activity is strangely low compared to my last game with him, however reading his filter I feel like his tone is similar to the townie tone that I had in NMM LI. That is, he asks a ton of questions, postures a lot, but doesn't actually press his suspicions. When I was mafia in NMM LI I was actually initially planning to try to get a mislynch on him in Day 3 because I noticed while he pressured a ton of people, he never actually made cases himself. Of course we ended up shooting him N2 because his pressure was just too good. My read on Balla right now is neutral, leaning a bit towards town. His tone is more townie to me, and I think his case on Crossfire is characteristic of Balla, because Balla himself likes to jump around (albeit without voting), so he's basically defending his own meta (which isn't showing up this game, strangely). I don't like how he voted Crossfire at the end and then disappeared without any other comments. I want to hear his thoughts on more people. TLDR: I read Balla as neutral, leaning a bit towards town. Overall tone feels kinda townie, but his lack of activity is suspicious, and his vote on Crossfire followed by disappearance is suspicious. Expect more activity, more pressure Day 2 from him. Do not like him as a Day 1 lynch. To Balla: Can you please explain maybe in a sentence why there's such a huge change in your activity? And what we can expect from you going forward? Also, reads please. I asked for your top two scum reads earlier and you only talked about Crossfire. | ||
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