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On January 21 2014 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. Why is he a great vote and/or lynch? I really don't understand what your objective is here given a recent post of yours... On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
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Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought?
... I can't point out all the scummy things he posts if he hasn't posted yet. If you were to vote for him then maybe he will respond and I'd have something to give you. Sounds like a win-win to me!
Can we talk about something serious? What do you think of VE?
He's the topic du-jour.
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kitaman27
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On January 21 2014 12:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. Why is he a great vote and/or lynch? I really don't understand what your objective is here given a recent post of yours... On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
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Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought?
... I can't point out all the scummy things he posts if he hasn't posted yet. If you were to vote for him then maybe he will respond and I'd have something to give you. Sounds like a win-win to me! Can we talk about something serious? What do you think of VE? He's the topic du-jour.
I can't call VE scummy, else he will vote for me.
I KNOW YOUR SECRETS.
I'd rather talk about marv. He suggest that the all vanilla setup makes things difficult to start off rather than attempting to generate conversation.
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On January 21 2014 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:00 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. Why is he a great vote and/or lynch? I really don't understand what your objective is here given a recent post of yours... On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
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Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought?
... I can't point out all the scummy things he posts if he hasn't posted yet. If you were to vote for him then maybe he will respond and I'd have something to give you. Sounds like a win-win to me! Can we talk about something serious? What do you think of VE? He's the topic du-jour. I can't call VE scummy, else he will vote for me. I KNOW YOUR SECRETS. I'd rather talk about marv. He suggest that the all vanilla setup makes things difficult to start off rather than attempting to generate conversation.
and that makes him...
you seem to forget how to, you know, call people scummy. Give it a go.
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On January 21 2014 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:00 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. Why is he a great vote and/or lynch? I really don't understand what your objective is here given a recent post of yours... On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
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Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought?
... I can't point out all the scummy things he posts if he hasn't posted yet. If you were to vote for him then maybe he will respond and I'd have something to give you. Sounds like a win-win to me! Can we talk about something serious? What do you think of VE? He's the topic du-jour. I can't call VE scummy, else he will vote for me. I KNOW YOUR SECRETS. I'd rather talk about marv. He suggest that the all vanilla setup makes things difficult to start off rather than attempting to generate conversation.
I'm kind of interested to see a game in which marv is not likely to take over.
On January 21 2014 11:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 11:47 Promethelax wrote:... Since I am town that means you and I shall discuss other people. In this case VE and this post: On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. You see VE knows how to say things. But this post doesn't say things. This post, when the fluff is removed says that we should let Sandroba do his own thing because no matter what he'll do his own thing and that Sandroba may or may not catch scum. It shows such a lack of curiosity that I am disturbed. Do you, Hapa, agree? y/n? Yeah I agree. I've been put off by VE's posting so far, mostly because he's been one of the more active people in the thread and hasn't managed to post anything substantive. It's reminiscent of my last few voice mafia games with him, where he's willing to talk a lot about irrelevant things at length, while ignoring attempts at any meaningful discussion. My initial vote on him was random, but I like where it's parked right now. What's your favorite restaurant? I'll make the reservations <3
I'm fine with VE for now for reasons stated earlier.
What does bother me a little Hapa (and I'll admit, bothers me every time this is brought up by anyone in any game) is your comparison of VE's play to voice mafia games.
There is very little if any indication at all that you can base people's play in forum games on how they play on TS. Par example (though not the only one), in voice mafia I am supremely confident, can sniff out scum with just a few words from them, and play mafia really damn well. Would you say that describes my forum mafia play?
Essentially text and forum-based games are way too different to make proper comparisons in my opinion, and I would really think that you'd be aware of that.
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Caution meta ahead: marv is happy to allow other people to take over when he feels they are taking the town in the right direction. See most games with marv in them. Marv only takes over when he feels it is necessary for his team to win, possible for both his town and scum play to sit back and possible for both alignments as well.
Marv's weakest day is day one. He is the anti palmar.
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On January 21 2014 12:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
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I'm fine with VE for now for reasons stated earlier.
What does bother me a little Hapa (and I'll admit, bothers me every time this is brought up by anyone in any game) is your comparison of VE's play to voice mafia games.
There is very little if any indication at all that you can base people's play in forum games on how they play on TS. Par example (though not the only one), in voice mafia I am supremely confident, can sniff out scum with just a few words from them, and play mafia really damn well. Would you say that describes my forum mafia play?
Essentially text and forum-based games are way too different to make proper comparisons in my opinion, and I would really think that you'd be aware of that.
I agree that they're different, and there's no way I'd lynch VE on his voice-meta alone. However his early-game so far is objectively scummy, independent of his voice-mafia play. I only mentioned the voice-mafia stuff because its worth noting how eerily similar it is so far.
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On January 21 2014 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:00 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. Why is he a great vote and/or lynch? I really don't understand what your objective is here given a recent post of yours... On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
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Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought?
... I can't point out all the scummy things he posts if he hasn't posted yet. If you were to vote for him then maybe he will respond and I'd have something to give you. Sounds like a win-win to me! Can we talk about something serious? What do you think of VE? He's the topic du-jour. I can't call VE scummy, else he will vote for me. I KNOW YOUR SECRETS. I'd rather talk about marv. He suggest that the all vanilla setup makes things difficult to start off rather than attempting to generate conversation.
That's an interesting observation about marv, but there's just not much to talk about given the context of his posting (Page 1, Day 1 fluff), not to mention that he hasn't been around for any of the recent discussion.
I'd rather talk about people who are posting now or have atleast some content worth analyzing.
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kitaman27
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On January 21 2014 12:03 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 12:00 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. Why is he a great vote and/or lynch? I really don't understand what your objective is here given a recent post of yours... On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
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Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought?
... I can't point out all the scummy things he posts if he hasn't posted yet. If you were to vote for him then maybe he will respond and I'd have something to give you. Sounds like a win-win to me! Can we talk about something serious? What do you think of VE? He's the topic du-jour. I can't call VE scummy, else he will vote for me. I KNOW YOUR SECRETS. I'd rather talk about marv. He suggest that the all vanilla setup makes things difficult to start off rather than attempting to generate conversation. and that makes him... you seem to forget how to, you know, call people scummy. Give it a go.
If you start calling people scummy and vote for someone off their first post, people won't take you serious later on. I certainly wouldn't do something like that!
The person I find scummiest so far is probably Hapa. The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Hapa appears to identify that it would be a good idea to try to apply pressure to a slow starter, yet later suggests that he can't understand my objective. Rather than trying to contribute to the pressure, he is satisfied with asking serious questions such as "Why is he a great vote?", when I think it is pretty obvious that there isn't any content in the thread to justify it.
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On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one.
Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here.
Hapa appears to identify that it would be a good idea to try to apply pressure to a slow starter, yet later suggests that he can't understand my objective.
I understand your motive. What I don't understand is how you think it's going to work when you've already undermined yourself several times. There's no point in making a random pressure vote on a player when you've already stated that it's poorly justified and random.
Rather than trying to contribute to the pressure, he is satisfied with asking serious questions such as "Why is he a great vote?", when I think it is pretty obvious that there isn't any content in the thread to justify it.
Why would I want to contribute to troll-pressure? I want to start serious discussion, and not dabble in random unjustified votes. The sooner we can get away from this random voting shit, the better it will be for town.
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kitaman27
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On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here.
I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not.
Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for.
Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game?
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On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not. Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game?
I get a feel for reads through conversation.
My questions to Hapa/Prome are to try and get a feel for them while creating conversation at the same time.
When I'm curious about something or something strikes me odd, I mention it.
I'm not sure why that isn't obvious to you.
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Wave has been alright so far IMO. He hasn't posted anything to make me suspicious of him, and he seems engaged enough in the thread compared to everyone else in the game. So I'm pretty neutral on him, and would not be willing to bandwagon him.
However, I do feel that VE is scummy for the reasons that you're suspicious of Wave:
I find very few of his questions relevant thus far.
I don't see what he is looking for.
Nothing VE has said has been relevant so far. There are no objectives in his gameplay beyond cracking "witty" 1-lined responses. VE's gameplay so far gives me the impression that he's more interested in irrelevant small-talk than finding a read, pursuing an objective, or even promoting discussion.
Hell, Isn't it strange for someone with 10 posts this early not to have said a single damn relevant thing?
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On January 21 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not. Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game? I get a feel for reads through conversation. My questions to Hapa/Prome are to try and get a feel for them while creating conversation at the same time. When I'm curious about something or something strikes me odd, I mention it. I'm not sure why that isn't obvious to you.
So what's your feeling of myself and Prome as of now? Any other reads worth mentioning?
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kitaman27
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On January 21 2014 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:Wave has been alright so far IMO. He hasn't posted anything to make me suspicious of him, and he seems engaged enough in the thread compared to everyone else in the game. So I'm pretty neutral on him, and would not be willing to bandwagon him. However, I do feel that VE is scummy for the reasons that you're suspicious of Wave: Nothing VE has said has been relevant so far. There are no objectives in his gameplay beyond cracking "witty" 1-lined responses. VE's gameplay so far gives me the impression that he's more interested in irrelevant small-talk than finding a read, pursuing an objective, or even promoting discussion. Hell, Isn't it strange for someone with 10 posts this early not to have said a single damn relevant thing?
These days it takes some people 50 posts before they are ready to get started.
However, I just reminded myself that I enjoy voting VE. Plus, you beat me to the punch on the obvious follow-up question to Wave so I've decided that I'm willing to work with you!
##Unvote
##Vote VisceraEyes
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On January 21 2014 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:Wave has been alright so far IMO. He hasn't posted anything to make me suspicious of him, and he seems engaged enough in the thread compared to everyone else in the game. So I'm pretty neutral on him, and would not be willing to bandwagon him. However, I do feel that VE is scummy for the reasons that you're suspicious of Wave: Nothing VE has said has been relevant so far. There are no objectives in his gameplay beyond cracking "witty" 1-lined responses. VE's gameplay so far gives me the impression that he's more interested in irrelevant small-talk than finding a read, pursuing an objective, or even promoting discussion. Hell, Isn't it strange for someone with 10 posts this early not to have said a single damn relevant thing?
I'll say something when there's something worth saying. Anything objectively scummy in my play? Bring it up Hapa. This is subjective, and it's VE we're talking about.
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I came
We won
Hurray!
Now I sleep
+ Show Spoiler + Just got here and its 2am here so see ya
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Skimmed fast and saw no Foo'
He's obvious scum.
Let's lynch him once I wake up....maybe
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On January 21 2014 12:54 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:Wave has been alright so far IMO. He hasn't posted anything to make me suspicious of him, and he seems engaged enough in the thread compared to everyone else in the game. So I'm pretty neutral on him, and would not be willing to bandwagon him. However, I do feel that VE is scummy for the reasons that you're suspicious of Wave: I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Nothing VE has said has been relevant so far. There are no objectives in his gameplay beyond cracking "witty" 1-lined responses. VE's gameplay so far gives me the impression that he's more interested in irrelevant small-talk than finding a read, pursuing an objective, or even promoting discussion. Hell, Isn't it strange for someone with 10 posts this early not to have said a single damn relevant thing? I'll say something when there's something worth saying.
I eagerly await these contributions, though is there nothing worth saying at the moment?
Anything objectively scummy in my play? Bring it up Hapa. This is subjective, and it's VE we're talking about.
I've think I've summed up quite adequately my read on you. If you'd like to ignore all of that and call it "subjective", you're welcome to do so, but it will do you no favors come lynchtime.
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Hapapapapaaaaaa I'm here no questions? Nothing?
I'm voting for someone you know, no thoughts about that? Just my one-liner machine-gun-like posting style isn't palatable? I mean, call an apple an apple friend.
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I'm voting for Prome because he immediately asked you a question about me that applied to Wave equally, and then made up some nonsense reasoning as to why it applied to me but not Wave. That's not odd to you?
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