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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 21 2014 02:34 GMT
#241
On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think.


I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today.


Why is he a great vote and/or lynch?

I really don't understand what your objective is here given a recent post of yours...

On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
...
Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought?
...

a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2014 02:35 GMT
#242
Okay broskis, this is just silly. We know how to start a game and it isn't this Mafia Scum inspired baseless lynches shall we discuss policy? Why yes we shall because you all will actually have to commit to something.

Since we aren't the run of the mill hokey dory TL types I think its time we set a few ground rules: there should be no discussion of policy lynching lurkers. We simply lynch them. If everyone is good enough to be shadowed everyone is good enough to play the game and we cannot tolerate lurkers.

It is my hope that this particular policy doesn't come into play since, obviously, we are the best that TL has so we should play the best as well and lurking simply isn't the best. We are all good enough to carry a town and I would like us all to be that good this game. Play your hearts out gentlemen.

I would also like a non-aggression pact. That is we all agree to play nice since I'd rather like to be good role models for our newbies.

And yes, I know I'm scummy for posting this, does someone want to come out and say it so that I can defend myself and we can move on with this game and make actual cases on each other and find scum.

Unlike WoS I was excited to roll scum in this game, I figured I'd have an excuse to be steamrolled but if I did a good job it would be a huge accomplishment but no, I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money.

So get it together boys, we are policy lynching lurkers, we aren't going to be mean to each other and we are going to catch scum. And we'll start with Hapa making a case on me, why? Because its tradition is why.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 21 2014 02:38 GMT
#243
Hey Prom is anyone suspicious to you yet? Some stuff has happened. Have you read it yet?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 21 2014 02:40 GMT
#244
So uhh... Prome... what policies are you proposing then?

All I got from your post was "we should lynch lurkers, but not discuss it."

...which isn't really policy discussion.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 21 2014 02:41 GMT
#245
Or rather, it is policy, but certainly not discussion.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2014 02:41 GMT
#246
I have but you guys had to go and produce actual content while I was bitching about having no content. Stellar start to the game, eh?

In all honesty everyone is suspicious given how little content came about in the time when I couldn't post (couldn't = had to eat sushi with the girlfriend) the fact that the vettiest vets in vetland couldn't figure out how to start a game of mafia gives me the willys.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 21 2014 02:41 GMT
#247
On January 21 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
Okay broskis, this is just silly. We know how to start a game and it isn't this Mafia Scum inspired baseless lynches shall we discuss policy? Why yes we shall because you all will actually have to commit to something.

Since we aren't the run of the mill hokey dory TL types I think its time we set a few ground rules: there should be no discussion of policy lynching lurkers. We simply lynch them. If everyone is good enough to be shadowed everyone is good enough to play the game and we cannot tolerate lurkers.

It is my hope that this particular policy doesn't come into play since, obviously, we are the best that TL has so we should play the best as well and lurking simply isn't the best. We are all good enough to carry a town and I would like us all to be that good this game. Play your hearts out gentlemen.

I would also like a non-aggression pact. That is we all agree to play nice since I'd rather like to be good role models for our newbies.

And yes, I know I'm scummy for posting this, does someone want to come out and say it so that I can defend myself and we can move on with this game and make actual cases on each other and find scum.

Unlike WoS I was excited to roll scum in this game, I figured I'd have an excuse to be steamrolled but if I did a good job it would be a huge accomplishment but no, I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money.

So get it together boys, we are policy lynching lurkers, we aren't going to be mean to each other and we are going to catch scum. And we'll start with Hapa making a case on me, why? Because its tradition is why.

I don't think lurkers will be an issue in this game.
I'm really confused by your opener though...you want to discuss policy and then you state right after that you don't want to discuss it? Like...discussion of policy on its own isn't scummy imo but why did you go about it so awkwardly?

I do agree with the non-aggression thing, but no offense---I'd imagine you'd have to be one of the primary people to agree with that (and it seems as though you have?)

Now onto more important details: why specifically Hapa? Do you two have a history?
Is he going to want to make a case on you at all, never mind find something specific in this post of yours in order to make one?
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 21 2014 02:46 GMT
#248
On January 21 2014 11:41 Promethelax wrote:
I have but you guys had to go and produce actual content while I was bitching about having no content. Stellar start to the game, eh?

In all honesty everyone is suspicious given how little content came about in the time when I couldn't post (couldn't = had to eat sushi with the girlfriend) the fact that the vettiest vets in vetland couldn't figure out how to start a game of mafia gives me the willys.

Okay okay okay. So let me get this straight. EVERYONE is suspicious..because we started the game...without you?

##Unvote
##Vote Promethelax


OMGUSM (OMGUS MORE)
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2014 02:47 GMT
#249
On January 21 2014 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Or rather, it is policy, but certainly not discussion.


You got so close to making that case on me. So close. And yet so far.

It is policy and we could discuss it, I just assume no one will disagree with it so there is no discussion which will stem from it. The discussion comes from me posting things which you can call me town on or base a case on. That is what generates discussion, not policy we all agree on.

Since you are, so far, the only person interrogating people on the shit they post I'm choosing to believe you are town for the moment. Since I am town that means you and I shall discuss other people. In this case VE and this post:
On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think.

You see VE knows how to say things. But this post doesn't say things. This post, when the fluff is removed says that we should let Sandroba do his own thing because no matter what he'll do his own thing and that Sandroba may or may not catch scum. It shows such a lack of curiosity that I am disturbed.

Do you, Hapa, agree? y/n? Will you go on a date with me y/n?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 21 2014 02:49 GMT
#250
Counterquestion Promethelax. Why VE and not WaveofShadow, who posted this at approximately the same time as the post in question.

On January 21 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as I can tell, he doesn't respond to pressure on himself this early so it wouldn't matter.
I only offered that as an aside anyway, my main reason for not wanting to vote him is because I literally don't see one.

Hapa, do you see yourself getting shot N1 in this game?

if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 21 2014 02:50 GMT
#251
On January 21 2014 11:47 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Or rather, it is policy, but certainly not discussion.


You got so close to making that case on me. So close. And yet so far.

It is policy and we could discuss it, I just assume no one will disagree with it so there is no discussion which will stem from it. The discussion comes from me posting things which you can call me town on or base a case on. That is what generates discussion, not policy we all agree on.

Since you are, so far, the only person interrogating people on the shit they post I'm choosing to believe you are town for the moment. Since I am town that means you and I shall discuss other people. In this case VE and this post:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think.

You see VE knows how to say things. But this post doesn't say things. This post, when the fluff is removed says that we should let Sandroba do his own thing because no matter what he'll do his own thing and that Sandroba may or may not catch scum. It shows such a lack of curiosity that I am disturbed.

Do you, Hapa, agree? y/n? Will you go on a date with me y/n?

O I C
It's gonna be one of these games.

And of course never mind that I said the exact same thing VE did before he said it.

Prome I feel rejected.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 21 2014 02:50 GMT
#252
Aaaand ninjad.
Get out of my head VE

Though I must admit two of these this early bodes pretty well for us, does it not?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2014 02:50 GMT
#253
WoS: yes. Hapa and I have a history. We were in newbies together. And marv isn't here to hate my first post which he would do if he was here. And yes, I want discussion, I don't think it should come from policy but policy should be agreed on. Yes, I would have to be one to agree to playing nice. Which is why I proposed it.

VE: no, everyone is suspicious because you guys had the chance to start without me but did not start. Hello posts are nothing and nothing was done. For like four hours.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 21 2014 02:50 GMT
#254
COUNTERQUESTION PROMETHELAX! WHY HAPAHAULI AND NOT VE, WHO POSTED THE FUCKING POST IN QUESTION?!?!?!?!?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2014 02:52 GMT
#255
WoS had a question that feels curious, in my experience curious people are more often town than scum. VE felt fluffy. WoS felt curious.

Reasonable? No.

True? Yes.

Often accurate? Yes.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 21 2014 02:53 GMT
#256
On January 21 2014 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think.


I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today.


Why is he a great vote and/or lynch?

I really don't understand what your objective is here given a recent post of yours...

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
...
Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought?
...



I can't point out all the scummy things he posts if he hasn't posted yet. If you were to vote for him then maybe he will respond and I'd have something to give you. Sounds like a win-win to me!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 21 2014 02:57 GMT
#257
On January 21 2014 11:47 Promethelax wrote:
...
Since I am town that means you and I shall discuss other people. In this case VE and this post:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think.

You see VE knows how to say things. But this post doesn't say things. This post, when the fluff is removed says that we should let Sandroba do his own thing because no matter what he'll do his own thing and that Sandroba may or may not catch scum. It shows such a lack of curiosity that I am disturbed.

Do you, Hapa, agree? y/n?


Yeah I agree. I've been put off by VE's posting so far, mostly because he's been one of the more active people in the thread and hasn't managed to post anything substantive.

It's reminiscent of my last few voice mafia games with him, where he's willing to talk a lot about irrelevant things at length, while ignoring attempts at any meaningful discussion.

My initial vote on him was random, but I like where it's parked right now.

Will you go on a date with me y/n?


What's your favorite restaurant? I'll make the reservations <3
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 21 2014 02:57 GMT
#258
As a person only partly out of a meat coma, go brazilian steakhouse
Fe fi fo fum.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2014 02:58 GMT
#259
On January 21 2014 11:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 11:47 Promethelax wrote:
...
Since I am town that means you and I shall discuss other people. In this case VE and this post:
On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think.

You see VE knows how to say things. But this post doesn't say things. This post, when the fluff is removed says that we should let Sandroba do his own thing because no matter what he'll do his own thing and that Sandroba may or may not catch scum. It shows such a lack of curiosity that I am disturbed.

Do you, Hapa, agree? y/n?


Yeah I agree. I've been put off by VE's posting so far, mostly because he's been one of the more active people in the thread and hasn't managed to post anything substantive.

It's reminiscent of my last few voice mafia games with him, where he's willing to talk a lot about irrelevant things at length, while ignoring attempts at any meaningful discussion.

My initial vote on him was random, but I like where it's parked right now.

Show nested quote +
Will you go on a date with me y/n?


What's your favorite restaurant? I'll make the reservations <3


Hony, anywhere you take me will be perfect.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2014 02:58 GMT
#260
oh god. best 6000th post possible.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
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