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VisceraEyes
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 21 2014 15:57 VisceraEyes wrote: So Foolish, do you think I'm making mountains of molehills? I've garnered two votes already, and since you didn't vote for me I'm left thinking that you must just disagree with my points? You and Hapa are two townies that are arguing with each other over nothing. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 21 2014 15:59 Foolishness wrote: You and Hapa are two townies that are arguing with each other over nothing. Fair enough. ##Unvote VE's responses seem very emotional and townie. Almost identical to how he responded to my case against him in the Duke Nukem Hydra Mini. Really no point in any more pressure. Foolish, can you elaborate on your Wave thing? All I see is a pretty standard opening post that you quoted in your vote. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On January 21 2014 17:12 Hapahauli wrote: Fair enough. ##Unvote VE's responses seem very emotional and townie. Almost identical to how he responded to my case against him in the Duke Nukem Hydra Mini. Really no point in any more pressure. Foolish, can you elaborate on your Wave thing? All I see is a pretty standard opening post that you quoted in your vote. Why did you feel the need to justify your new read on VE (based on meta) with a quote from foolish saying you are both town? Only to then ask him to only elaborate on wave and not the reasons he thinks you are both town? Free town cred is nice but not if the person it's coming from is questionable. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 21 2014 12:02 kitaman27 wrote: I can't call VE scummy, else he will vote for me. I KNOW YOUR SECRETS. I'd rather talk about marv. He suggest that the all vanilla setup makes things difficult to start off rather than attempting to generate conversation. I never randomly generate conversation at the start of any games, and I very rarely talk about setup. You and most other players in the game should know this. Why are you suggesting it as something suspicious? | ||
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marvellosity
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 21 2014 17:49 Holyflare wrote: Why did you feel the need to justify your new read on VE (based on meta) with a quote from foolish saying you are both town? Foolish's post echoed my sentiments, and tipped me over to unvoting. It's not a justification - it's more my own reference point. Only to then ask him to only elaborate on wave and not the reasons he thinks you are both town? Free town cred is nice but not if the person it's coming from is questionable. As far as him elaborating on the other reads goes, I thought his rationale was straightforward and short. His read on wave is 10000x more interesting to me than the town reads. As for yourself Holy, have you gleaned anything from the thread yet? Your entrance is plenty critical of myself and Foolish's play, but doesn't say anything about our alignments. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Fucked up the quoting a bit there: On January 21 2014 17:49 Holyflare wrote: Why did you feel the need to justify your new read on VE (based on meta) with a quote from foolish saying you are both town? Foolish's post echoed my sentiments, and tipped me over to unvoting. It's not a justification - it's more my own reference point. Only to then ask him to only elaborate on wave and not the reasons he thinks you are both town? Free town cred is nice but not if the person it's coming from is questionable. As far as him elaborating on the other reads goes, I thought his rationale was straightforward and short. His read on wave is 10000x more interesting to me than the town reads. As for yourself Holy, have you gleaned anything from the thread yet? Your entrance is plenty critical of myself and Foolish's play, but doesn't say anything about our alignments. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 21 2014 13:17 VisceraEyes wrote: It's just one of those things that may or may not end up adding up to something. Prome's thing is worse to me because he literally made up reasoning to respond to me. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. Fluffy? What does that even mean? You don't think Prome is being typical arch-bullshitter as per usual? | ||
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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Nothing else was very interesting to me ##Vote: Foolishness | ||
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On January 21 2014 18:56 Hapahauli wrote: Foolish's post echoed my sentiments, and tipped me over to unvoting. It's not a justification - it's more my own reference point. Only to then ask him to only elaborate on wave and not the reasons he thinks you are both town? Free town cred is nice but not if the person it's coming from is questionable. As far as him elaborating on the other reads goes, I thought his rationale was straightforward and short. His read on wave is 10000x more interesting to me than the town reads. As for yourself Holy, have you gleaned anything from the thread yet? Your entrance is plenty critical of myself and Foolish's play, but doesn't say anything about our alignments. You used a post from a player that has had 0 contribution to the game as a platform for you to further your paradigm of VE. Not only is that strange but you do not question HOW he could have those reads (something you absolutely should because how else do you learn about another player's mindset?) The only thing you question is his read on wave. You should absolutely not be happy when someone calls you or someone else town for no reasoning and should be questioning it as you have been questioning mostly everything for the entirety of the game. As for the rest of the thread: On January 21 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote: As far as I can tell, he doesn't respond to pressure on himself this early so it wouldn't matter. I only offered that as an aside anyway, my main reason for not wanting to vote him is because I literally don't see one. Hapa, do you see yourself getting shot N1 in this game? On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote: If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. I don't understand why this conversation was ended around here. We absolutely should be pushing everyone and not letting them ignore posts and accusations directed at them. It's a team game where we have to demonstrate our townieness to each other. Why should we let a player not participate in the game just because he gets better later when in fact we have the potential to learn more about his alignment today? This sentiment was echoed by hapa BUT THEN TOTALLY CONTRADICTED AS WELL. On January 21 2014 11:18 Hapahauli wrote: I don't understand your reasoning here. What does him being a "slow-starter" have to do with not wanting to vote for him? For example, wouldn't it be arguably good to put pressure on him early to determine his alignment? On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote: Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I don't understand the mindset behind this. You suggest we find his alignment by way of pressure but then give into the sentiment of other players of which you do not know the alignment of and say that we should not pressure him because he won't respond instead of taking the initiative of your confirmed alignment to yourself and pressuring sandroba yourself. This isn't something a townie mindset does at all. I'm interested to hear your reasoning before I put my vote down on you though because there's no reason being hasty. That being said the thing that stuck out to me the most was VE's posts and vote on Prome. I actually agree with much of what he has said and I do not get the motive behind happa's line of questioning. Hapa mentioned: On January 21 2014 13:19 Hapahauli wrote: The problem I have with your case on Prom right now is that it seems like a troll vote that you're trying to justify retroactively. Why do you assume that it is retroactive justification instead of new evidence coming to light after a troll vote? What he was saying made sense and prome's opening post seemed like it was pre-written before he even read any of the game. I'll get into this later when I have the time and get back but for now I'll leave you to talk about what i've said above. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 21 2014 18:48 marvellosity wrote: I never randomly generate conversation at the start of any games, and I very rarely talk about setup. You and most other players in the game should know this. Why are you suggesting it as something suspicious? Mostly a weak idea to see if anyone wanted to take it farther than it warranted. Nothing useful really came out of it, besides maybe a few unnecessary defense posts that could possibly be looked at post flip later on in the game. Do you feel Hapa's attempts to generate conversation are town motivated or is he more concerned with personal appearance? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 21 2014 22:28 kitaman27 wrote: Mostly a weak idea to see if anyone wanted to take it farther than it warranted. Nothing useful really came out of it, besides maybe a few unnecessary defense posts that could possibly be looked at post flip later on in the game. Do you feel Hapa's attempts to generate conversation are town motivated or is he more concerned with personal appearance? Hmm. Alright. That might be reasonable. Defending marv always pro-town btw I'm fine with Hapa atm, seems like his typical tryharding. Should be relatively obvious by the end of the day whether he's scum or not. Banking on no currently | ||
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