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WetSocks
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Valikyr
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JacobShock
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phyren
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Zax19
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enord
France258 Posts
thorin and rich lew <3 (remember thorin that with great power (your bullocks and experience) comes great responsibility, and although i agree that your desrow statement didn't start out bad at all, you didn't set things straight after "group/mob" mentality made it what it was, i don't expect you to be perfect or less marketable, but still .. you get my point) i had to leave, i hope someone out of birmingham went to knock a few with rich lew, everyone deserves to have a nice time, and certainly not to remain isolated in this period don't be down, that's not sane pr :^) seems like steven is less passionate than he used to be, kinda dish a point maybe fall out anxiety is more presentnow than it was before :-/ it was really cool (as i am older than them) to see a gamer showwith the fossils/kids amplitude showcased made me feel less outdated ty all, ty chanman,for christmasstream happy new year | ||
nkr
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McRatyn
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Comogury
United States412 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:52 McRatyn wrote: Great show, did not watch everything but stumbled upon the WCS discussion and I gotta say I loved Thorin there. His points were spot on, especially about the "Korean who gives everything up to play". Kinda weird that noone seemed to get what he said, but the most ludacris thing was Destiny hopping onto him with 2GD, especially after how he got treated in SotG, painful to watch. That isn't really a fair point because of how esports is set up in SK. When they give up school and etc they have somewhere to go and develop as a player as long as they show some kind of promise. You don't get that kind of treatment as a foreigner. What a foreigner has to do is beg for practice partners, having to find housing, no reliable income, search for sponsors, and pay to go out to LANs. If they're lucky they already have a team doing some of these things for them. You already have to be really good and winning things in order to even consider dropping everything to become a pro gamer. Breaking out of the amateur scene is still hard in SK, but the transition is definitely much easier even if you stay a b teamer your whole career. Thorin dramatized how screwed a Korean person is of he quits school and etc but I think that's pretty much wrong. Finding some kind of job in SK really doesn't seem all that difficult. Even if everything fails, becoming a leeching bum doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal. | ||
phyren
United States1067 Posts
On January 01 2014 04:42 Comogury wrote: That isn't really a fair point because of how esports is set up in SK. When they give up school and etc they have somewhere to go and develop as a player as long as they show some kind of promise. You don't get that kind of treatment as a foreigner. What a foreigner has to do is beg for practice partners, having to find housing, no reliable income, search for sponsors, and pay to go out to LANs. If they're lucky they already have a team doing some of these things for them. You already have to be really good and winning things in order to even consider dropping everything to become a pro gamer. Breaking out of the amateur scene is still hard in SK, but the transition is definitely much easier even if you stay a b teamer your whole career. Thorin dramatized how screwed a Korean person is of he quits school and etc but I think that's pretty much wrong. Finding some kind of job in SK really doesn't seem all that difficult. Even if everything fails, becoming a leeching bum doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal. esports starts earlier in SK though. Most of the progamers have dropped out of school in their teens. Sure they have these team houses to go to (if they are at least around the skill level of the top foreign pros already), but they have no education or life experience outside of gaming if their career doesn't pan out. In the west, most pros are either in school or have delayed/left universities. | ||
ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On January 01 2014 07:01 phyren wrote: esports starts earlier in SK though. Most of the progamers have dropped out of school in their teens. Sure they have these team houses to go to (if they are at least around the skill level of the top foreign pros already), but they have no education or life experience outside of gaming if their career doesn't pan out. In the west, most pros are either in school or have delayed/left universities. But there's no prerequisite that says you have to go all-in at a young age. Look at Polt, he's been on/off full-time progamming since WOL, still delaying his schooling, but no one's going to worry about his future once he's done with SC2. You insinuate that SK teens drop out of school at an early age when objectively it's an idiotic decision. To that point (and the point 2GD brought up), why should the NA/EU scene shoulder the burden of SK programers making terrible decisions? | ||
McRatyn
Poland901 Posts
On January 01 2014 07:21 ssxsilver wrote: But there's no prerequisite that says you have to go all-in at a young age. Look at Polt, he's been on/off full-time progamming since WOL, still delaying his schooling, but no one's going to worry about his future once he's done with SC2. You insinuate that SK teens drop out of school at an early age when objectively it's an idiotic decision. To that point (and the point 2GD brought up), why should the NA/EU scene shoulder the burden of SK programers making terrible decisions? In SK the case is a bit more complex. You say it's not a prerequisite, which is 100% true, but talking realistically, in Brood War it was. I read in some interview how Flash said he had to train the nights and go be a student in the day when he was starting. What I'm getting at is that you cannot come to a guy who was thaught for ~13 years that he has to give the game nearly all the time he has just to be remotely succesful and say: "Hey but, you do know there's another way to do it right? Like this." and expect him to just flip the switch and if he doesn't, everyone turns on him and is like "Well duh, not like I didn't tell you". May be I do not know shit about either bussiness, or the real state of e-sports in depth but I'm just saddened after reading about Starcraft's rich and beautiful history (I wasn't into it back then) and now see it's offspring fare so badly | ||
thezanursic
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ZergCacique
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
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Everready
United States42 Posts
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Kosak
Czech Republic193 Posts
pretty please talk about your diet man, that would be pure gold | ||
CutTheEnemy
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rift
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