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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
08:04 PM ET (US)
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supersoft
11-17-2013
07:59 PM ET (US)
was nice chatting to you! cu in thread ^_^
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supersoft
11-17-2013
07:59 PM ET (US)
my oats-case is extremely real!
he needs to die!
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supersoft
11-17-2013
09:20 AM ET (US)
well, yes masoning BC is a good idea. Please do that.
Also if you have another ability combined with your masonpower, please make sure to protect BC.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:10 PM ET (US)
In like 12 hours or so when I wake up:p
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:05 PM ET (US)
I'm going to give you a scum analysis of storr that I've noticed can you critique it
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Pandain
11-16-2013
10:26 PM ET (US)
well idk do what you want.
I think I'm going to push BH tomorrow
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Pandain
11-16-2013
10:25 PM ET (US)
if your a mason btw i would start a town circle with ve and yam.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
09:24 PM ET (US)
getting town read on sharrant he's playing like previous games
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:28 PM ET (US)
Do you think I should mason BC tomorrow and if so what are your thoughts on his alignment and how should I approach him.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:24 PM ET (US)
what if everyone is a mason lol

you are too
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:13 PM ET (US)
Have you played with Mocsta before?
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:12 PM ET (US)
Wasn't that sure on Skanjabs but happy I was right.

I would say definitely not three masons but the problem is that I have two roles so I can very easily conceive others having multiple roles.

And Lone seems town to me
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supersoft
11-16-2013
08:12 PM ET (US)
ah yes, btw. that was a typical VEs move.
That's why i didnt want him in the office.

He wasted 10 minutes of time and he didnt discuss his choice.
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supersoft
11-16-2013
07:19 PM ET (US)
Gj, so far. The thread looks good right now. We cannot let a paranoia last minute voteswitch happen.
I've seen these things far too often and it's never good.

We need to settle on VE and myself.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
06:52 PM ET (US)
Oops
Basically I don't know I have too many thoughts vote who you want
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Pandain
11-16-2013
06:51 PM ET (US)
Idk do
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Pandain
11-16-2013
06:45 PM ET (US)
Without the tracker thing I say lynch Vayne or sharrant.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
05:35 PM ET (US)
I would lynch Vayne or Rayne. You can also lynch mig if you want but I'm far less confident on him then you are.
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supersoft
11-16-2013
05:26 PM ET (US)
hmm hmm this is difficult.. i am very tired tbh... i think i'll take a nap for about 90 minutes and come back later...
you might be right, depending on how accurate my "list" is, voting me could be alignment indicative.
I just hope Yamato doesnt get into office ._.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
05:16 PM ET (US)
Anyone who votes you is a town tell to be honest. Unless you're totally wrong of course.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
03:56 PM ET (US)
lynch liars unless they can have a benefit, BH's wouldn't for town.

BH is a liar or he's awful
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Pandain
11-16-2013
03:54 PM ET (US)
why then I dont see how unless BH just did a really piss poor play which I wouldn't think he would with a tracker claim
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supersoft
11-16-2013
03:45 PM ET (US)
you might be overthinking this topic :-P
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Pandain
11-16-2013
03:42 PM ET (US)
is my reasoning actually bad im pretty confident or thought i was
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Pandain
11-16-2013
03:12 PM ET (US)
I heavily think Rayn is scum.

I also think BH is scum, since he didn't admit he was retarded if he was tracker claiming tracker that means he supposedly thought about it beforehand.

That's like cop claiming, you don't do it. His role is pretty important why claim tracker. If he's not, that invites actual trackers to claim. Don't like
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Pandain
11-16-2013
03:06 PM ET (US)
Btw since your town I'm also a veteran
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supersoft
11-16-2013
02:56 PM ET (US)
there is no new light. Both of them are useless trolls. Rayn even wants to lynch me. That idiot has no idea what he's doing.

I tried to get something useful out of rayn, when i wanted him to analyze kosh. He proved himself as completely useless back then and that is still the case.

Regarding BH i found something very interesting, i shared it in the thread!
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Pandain
11-16-2013
02:22 PM ET (US)
What do you think of Rayn and BH with new light. I think I'll vote you though who will you lynch as of now
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supersoft
11-16-2013
01:57 PM ET (US)
pandain, you fail to vote me. I am disappointed!
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supersoft
11-16-2013
11:45 AM ET (US)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946

look what VE did lategame. He did nothing. He got manipulated and almost modkilled.
You don't want him to be mayor. period.
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supersoft
11-16-2013
11:41 AM ET (US)
BH is probably scum...
mig is scum, too. coag is also one of my scumreads.

Yamato isn't scum, you're right there, but he's no player you want to see in office.
The day yamato gets elected into office over me, is the day I quit playing mafia.
If marv, syllo, sandro, wbg, palmar or toad or anyone reasonable would be in this game, besides BC and mig (he's scum though)
a Yamato mayor could NEVER happen. it blows my mind, that people consider voting for him.

Same applys to a lesser degree on VE. Yes he's town, so what? VE is writing everything down he's thinking as town, therefor he's easy to read. But he doesn't kill scum by that.

wait a second, I'll show you a game where I was scum and VE was town and I played him like a fiddle.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:15 AM ET (US)
What do you think about bh
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:11 AM ET (US)
Not scummy but bad
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:11 AM ET (US)
Actually yams recent post was pretty bad
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:09 AM ET (US)
Btw the above paranoia and such thing was a joke
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:09 AM ET (US)
I already trust you I didn't mason you to find out if your town.

I think Yamato is really clearly town however. I also think he's not a dick as mayor which wouldn't relate to your scum hunting abilities.

I think hopeless and Rayn are good scum possibilities. The only thing holding me back from scum mig is I would've thought he would play better as scum if he were scum. Is that a wrong way to approach him?
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supers
11-16-2013
11:01 AM ET (US)
i dont play the game for you.
decide if you trust me or not

research me. I get shot almost every game at n1. if i survive i do horrible things to scumteams.

i need you to trust me on some things otherwise this QT is useless.
if you don't help me, you're pushing a scumagenda.
i dont want to cuddle with you around.
i want that you see that i am town, even though you want to believe i am scum, because you dont like me.

BC trusts me and he's undesputable an experienced and smart player.
VE trusts me, too.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
09:57 AM ET (US)
I feel like I'm not finding out much from you. Who do you think is town?
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Pandain
11-16-2013
09:39 AM ET (US)
I'm noting paranoia, unwillingness to work with others,
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supers
11-16-2013
09:11 AM ET (US)
lol you're scum. this conversation ends here.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:58 AM ET (US)
To clarify I think your claims are unwarranted he would be mayor in a game of mafia not a king of a nation. I don't believe he is paranoid( without reason), maybe selfish but I couldn't say, and he can be convinced like anyone else. You yourself could be said to have the characteristics you see in him
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:51 AM ET (US)
I'm not going to Unvote him for those reasons and why do you think BC is town.
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supers
11-16-2013
08:36 AM ET (US)
vote BC or me. It's important now.
I am probably going to slaughter mig. Got to discuss that with BC first.
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supers
11-16-2013
08:32 AM ET (US)
you need to unvote him. Yamato in office is a worst case scenario for us.
he is selfish, paranoid and no teamplayer. We cannot let this happen.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:27 AM ET (US)
Hi I'm going to be away from my desktop for like 12 hours. I think yam is town, he's been active throughout and I like his points. Also what I said about us having probably similar thoughts in this game if he's town is true.


Idk about mig I gave you all my reads. Do you agree on aka jabs. I confused him a bit with spaghetticus
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supers
11-16-2013
03:08 AM ET (US)
omg you need to unvote yamato right now -_-
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supers
11-16-2013
03:03 AM ET (US)
what do you think about mig?
who do you think should get elected?
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supersoft
11-16-2013
01:29 AM ET (US)
hi, I'll be here in about 6 hours. See you.
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Pandain
11-15-2013
08:36 PM ET (US)
Town: yam/ve/Mocsta/Skanjabs/Austin(less sure)/LoneMeow(masoned Yamato, lol scum isn't going to do that),Spaghettic(maybe, nothing to lend me as scum though he's not certain town. I like his post which while listy it was SO comprehensive so that made me think it's serious effort. At least not lynchable for this day, probably next)


Hopeless/Storr best scum reads. Storr is so playing newbie card it actually hurts. I hate how much he is appealing to it. And yet he's running for mayor what? Think BC is suspicious tbh but it's mainly that he's not focusing his scumreads and his reads were really bad and I do have a high opinion of his reads.

Artanis is also suspicious to me.


what do you think is a scum-tell for you and how do you approach the game differently.
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
07:34 PM ET (US)
Pandain/supersoft Day1/Night1

Pandain
11-20-2013
07:27 PM ET (US)
Bye love you
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Pandain
11-19-2013
05:34 PM ET (US)
I didn't know this.

I specifically asked if I was town to you and you ignored it. When you avoided the issue I found it suspicious.

But I think you're town anyway so I'm going to continue analyzing other people
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
05:32 PM ET (US)
You'll find that when I am told by someone I trust that hes telling someone they should mason me that theres reason for it. I took that reason as trust and given that I had my own town read on you why wouldnt I share?

Seriously, I shouldn't have to explain town reads.
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Pandain
11-19-2013
05:27 PM ET (US)
SS was actually suspicious of me up until we left being mason partners, there's no way I would know that he now thinks I'm town.

I wasn't worried about you claiming in thread, just you claiming to me when I didn't know you had reasons for thinking I was town since you never explained them.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
05:25 PM ET (US)
I told you for this.

I know you were masoned to him day 1, so was I.

I figured you'd like to know that hey, I have a huge town read on SS, he has town read on you. Ill be upfront with you and trust a guy I think is town.

Why did I not want to claim actively in thread? BECAUSE RAYN WAS FUCKING FISHING. His entire theory was centered on bh being a mason who masoned a specific player. My issue with actively claiming is fucking outing two blues for no fucking reason. The fact I think your town means hey, maybe I should share info with you in the offchance i you know, die?
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Pandain
11-19-2013
04:08 PM ET (US)
Also I think after seeing Rayn the best way to play as mafia is to spam so fucking much no one wants to analyze you
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Pandain
11-18-2013
11:42 PM ET (US)
I mean you did and you told me who you want to mason
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
10:27 PM ET (US)
I didn't actively claim mason to you tbh.

Its a subtle claim I used on ve because VE is one of now 3 people who know I masoned him yesterday.(provided SS didn't tell you yesterday)

I have told ss I think mig is unlikely to be mafia for those reasons yes. I also don't remember a game where scum kept those kind of notes. However in the days I played super actively there were very few people who kept notes in general on a google doc that anyone could access.
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Pandain
11-18-2013
10:12 PM ET (US)
With ss*
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Pandain
11-18-2013
10:11 PM ET (US)
This is also besides but did you share the mig notes with mig. I'm also wondering if you've ever played a game where scum kept notes like that, mig is a busy man he doesn't have time to pull shenanigans like that
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Pandain
11-18-2013
10:10 PM ET (US)
Like you revealing your a mason is so weird to me considering I was probably pretty suspicious day one trying to save Mocsta.

I don't know why you would post it here for me to see
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Pandain
11-18-2013
09:56 PM ET (US)
Did you think I was town before this because I'm interested why you would claim mason to me when you berated Rayn for trying to find out masons
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
09:51 PM ET (US)
I think hes like me and just gets way to heated way to fast and gets lost in things -_-

I need to step back and look at this shit with a fresh perspective so Ima lay off grack for now and attempt to look elsewhere.

Hopeless still looks like trash though.
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Pandain
11-18-2013
08:33 PM ET (US)
It's prob a combination of him being right plus him being a dick
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Pandain
11-18-2013
04:20 PM ET (US)
also rayn pisses me off every time he posts I'm going to just ignore him now
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Pandain
11-18-2013
03:38 PM ET (US)
Do you think I'm town
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
12:23 PM ET (US)
I don't know what to make of this entire bit going on right now with rayn and oats.

Both are doing things that make me think "town all the way" but both are also doing things that just seems so fucking scummy
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Pandain
11-18-2013
12:04 AM ET (US)
oh sorry meant not going to do a real analysis until tomorrow
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Pandain
11-18-2013
12:00 AM ET (US)
I haven't yet analyzed Oats, not going to do a real analysis(don't think I've been playing like I should, I only do quick glimpses and have too much confirmation bias.)

But I'm noting now that his response to being accused strikes me as very town. Quickly dismisses SS almost comicly and then moves onto other things. Not a long response to the post, but instead a townie response like a "Lol"
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
11:24 PM ET (US)
scratch the bit on his analysis promising totally misread one of his posts -_-

I still think he looks bad but he didn't promise anything.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
11:22 PM ET (US)
given how little time hes had in the game hes doing really well establishing himself.

I really really really don't like hopeless1nder

He comes back after 2 full days of absence and promised to read up and post an analysis on holyflare and not only is he not really contributing anything on return, or before he left, but he had 2 days to fucking write something on a player and he hasn't released it. More than enough time to read up and post thoughts by now.
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Pandain
11-17-2013
11:03 PM ET (US)
I think Thrawn is town so far he's pushing people for his reads, questioning, and overall seems unafraid
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
10:52 PM ET (US)
im currently filter diving mocstas scum games to see how he interacts with his teammates. Hoping to find some gem in there that will sort out his filter a bit.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
10:50 PM ET (US)
yeah. This actually could clear him. I know that SS was somewhat suspect of him but I think this essentially clears him. The only minute chance I think would be him as an assassin but given that the notes are public very unlikely
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Pandain
11-17-2013
10:50 PM ET (US)
I think I have a problem though with trying to find "one" piece of evidnece that helps an alignment guess. I need to be more comprehensive, but this is definitely a plus for Mig.

Although he's not active as of today, I misread it.
I like his notes format though, I'm going to copy it for future games.
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Pandain
11-17-2013
10:44 PM ET (US)
Yeah there's no reason to think MIG is anything but town in my eyes; his inactivity is supplemneted by his obvious activity (even doing meta research and then updating) them in his notes

Fact that only I probably knew it was a google drive and thus would be updated and visible to us supplements the idea that he's town.
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Pandain
11-17-2013
10:42 PM ET (US)
so I think it's intersting because he's clearly putting in a ton of effort when it wouldn't be recognized. If he was scum, he wouldn't need to do notes unless he wants to seem town and talk about them; problem is he did talk about them originaly (made me suspicious) but didn't later.

Idk i think mig is town, lurking, waiting until he's confident. I played with him before and only thing is he was more active there, but I think he's just biding his time now
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Pandain
11-17-2013
10:40 PM ET (US)
actually that note thing is super intense
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Pandain
11-17-2013
10:40 PM ET (US)
I think mig is town because he's still updating his notes.
https://docs.google.com/a/udel.edu/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing#gid=0
You can actually see them here

He's lurking though because it's updated up to this cycle, so I don't know what that means
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
10:32 PM ET (US)
been waiting for 30 minutes for a host to set it up, but Ill be having supersoft as my mason for the day.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
10:03 PM ET (US)
good day sir pandaman
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Pandain
11-17-2013
08:10 PM ET (US)
hi
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
07:59 PM ET (US)
Pandain + BloodyC0bbler Day 2/Night 2

Pandain
11-22-2013
11:20 PM ET (US)
EDIT
DELETE
So now that I'm pretty obvious town who do you think is scum and town
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Pandain
11-22-2013
01:35 PM ET (US)
stop lol
I hope youre scum because if so this is extra hilarious
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hopeless1der
11-22-2013
01:34 PM ET (US)
Now you want to chat? Nah, not wasting my time. gg scum
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Pandain
11-22-2013
01:28 PM ET (US)
who else are you suspicious of and who do you think is town
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Pandain
11-21-2013
11:00 PM ET (US)
stop im not scum lol
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Pandain
11-21-2013
05:43 PM ET (US)
jk
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hopeless1der
11-21-2013
05:41 PM ET (US)
well that was fun, we should do this again some time. gotta go out shortly. If there was a point to masoning me be sure to mention for when I'm back.
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Pandain
11-21-2013
05:33 PM ET (US)
yes
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Pandain
11-21-2013
05:33 PM ET (US)
lol
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hopeless1der
11-21-2013
05:24 PM ET (US)
oh this should be good. you need me to proofread your case on rayn before you post it?
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-21-2013
05:02 PM ET (US)
Pandain and Hopeless1der mason Day 3/Night 3

Mig, it was fun to talk
I hope we can later walk the walk
and chalk the scum to the dump
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Pandain
11-29-2013
04:31 PM ET (US)
mIg I'm BaD aT tHiS gAmE i need ur analysis
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Pandain
11-29-2013
04:28 PM ET (US)
To be frank I don't think Onegu is playing like mafia. Really the argument is that he's trying to deliberately act like a troll, and that seems to be more inaccurate an analysis then not that people always rely back on.
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Pandain
11-29-2013
04:22 PM ET (US)
Also scum are not setting up a coag lynch at all unless it's holy who I don't think is that scummy yet
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Pandain
11-29-2013
04:05 PM ET (US)
are you here
I think the reason you might not have died was because you wanted to get risen lynched.

Who you say to lynch tomorrow might influence whether you get shot, so it'll be a good indicator for us.
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Pandain
11-28-2013
08:34 PM ET (US)
going to mason onegu tomorrow and see what i can find
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Pandain
11-28-2013
08:33 PM ET (US)
Top four in my eyes are Cheesecake, Oats, and Holyflare, and onegu.

And I don't think we should lynch Onegu tomorrow, instead Oats
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Pandain
11-28-2013
08:17 PM ET (US)
Going to look into Holy/Cheese tomorrow
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Pandain
11-28-2013
08:10 PM ET (US)
I cannot believe Risen played like that as town.
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Pandain
11-28-2013
08:09 PM ET (US)
remember when risen was like lol i hate town, will post random self proclaimed bs reads and make no attempt to save myself despite being alive for four real life days

me too
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Mig
11-27-2013
09:14 PM ET (US)
I think austin is town. Regardless of Risen's alignment pushing thrawn so hard is good. He breadcumbed his vet claim. And when BC was fighting to survive right at the end of day3 austin was still arguing and fighting with him. If he was mafia with BC I think he sits back and lets BC try to save himself instead of still arguing 5 minutes before the lynch. And yea he has put a lot of effort into the game.
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Pandain
11-27-2013
09:08 PM ET (US)
Eh that analysis is a one trick pony though. I want to analyze Austin more in depth later
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Pandain
11-27-2013
09:05 PM ET (US)
Also he's be putting in way too much effort like even for a fake
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Pandain
11-27-2013
09:02 PM ET (US)
Austin probably town actually. Thrawn came into game and then immediately tried to trap him. Seems weird if mafia
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Pandain
11-27-2013
07:48 PM ET (US)
I cannot believe onegu is still posting in the other thread
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Pandain
11-27-2013
07:31 PM ET (US)
Like if risen is town:
1. Possibility of modkill because so anti town
2. Worst town play I've seen in a while
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Mig
11-27-2013
07:27 PM ET (US)
haha true, ok so from 99% to 99.7%
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Pandain
11-27-2013
07:23 PM ET (US)
It was already 99 percent likely risen is scum
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Mig
11-27-2013
07:17 PM ET (US)
If onegu doesn't return makes it way more likely Risen is mafia I think. Risen knows he can post some giant list of his reads right before lynch to look townie and it isn't a waste of time because onegu won't come back to vote.
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Pandain
11-27-2013
07:08 PM ET (US)
What do you think of the fact oats and Coag went super hard on each other
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Mig
11-27-2013
07:05 PM ET (US)
I still want to murder Risen. But onegu/oats/coag are shady
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Mig
11-27-2013
07:04 PM ET (US)
Can we lynch onegu. Look at his posts in his other game. They are so much better.
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Pandain
11-27-2013
07:01 PM ET (US)
I think grack is town masoning with him made me pretty sure he's genuine in trying to find people.

I think it's more likely Austin is scum tbh then grack as far as conspiracy theories go
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Mig
11-27-2013
06:53 PM ET (US)
What are your thoughts on Grack? Confident he is town and there is nothing crazy bus scheme going on?
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Mig
11-27-2013
06:47 PM ET (US)
Well we don't know for sure they have a sb, and if they want to use it I say go for 1-1 trade right now is awesome for town.

#2 point about Oats is really good I think. Looking back through BC/Oats history they avoided each other almost entirely. Even tho BC said he trusted SS completely and had the rber thing going for him why did he virtually never mention Oats and not push for his lynch at all? Seems like if Oats were town buddying up with SS getting him mislynched and then blaming SS would be an easy route to go. Oats in the same way almost completely avoids BC, at one point he says one of BC/SS is mafia then votes SS lol.
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Pandain
11-27-2013
06:44 PM ET (US)
LM doesn't play the game but now has to play it longer because be wont vote
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Pandain
11-27-2013
06:26 PM ET (US)
Eh I agree with Vayne it's not that big a deal
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Pandain
11-27-2013
05:12 PM ET (US)
I think it's important to try and lynh the sb if we can since that's an extra kp for them they can use laygame
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Pandain
11-27-2013
05:09 PM ET (US)
So risen probably isn't suicide bomber or he would have already destroyed someone.

What do you think about going after someone else since mafia kp will stay same regardless
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pandain
11-27-2013
04:58 PM ET (US)
Thrawn masoned me and I masoned grack
I think Slam is pretty solidly town. He was like pretty upfront about lynching rayn because he made the game awful, which seems far more townie then scum. I'm just not getting a scum read in anything he's doing.
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pandain
11-27-2013
04:57 PM ET (US)
Yeah a number of reasons
1. SS's point about immediately pointing to VE being assassin is indicative to me.

2. Grack's point in our mason thread, don't think he's shared it yet:
Quote: (BC was masoned with SS the day before and knew that Oats was going to be pushed for being RB. I would think he would try to push that case forward more seeing as he was pushing me purely for being useless. )

3. Extremely weak on THrawn. Called him scum earlier (dunno, kinda scummy), then later was saying no lynch Risen instead and was finding reasons for thrawn to be town. Didn't put his neck out too much though

4. Pushed Mocsta and was basically calling him scum or bad, but never pushed for him to get lynched

5. His lynchbait comment of "Mocsta is either jumping on lynchbait because he's town or because he's scum" was really weird to me, seemed useless.
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Mig
11-27-2013
04:47 PM ET (US)
Who did you choose to mason with yesterday? Thrawn masond with you right.

What are your thoughts on CC/Slam?
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Mig
11-27-2013
04:44 PM ET (US)
Oh that is actually a good point about Lm giving up if hes the last scum. I was reading through his old games and he did forfeit one of the newbie games as the last scum.

I am inclined to believe you/lm/hf are all town just because 5 town mason 2 mafia masons makes more sense than 4 town 3 mafia. That isn't really definitive tho.

Hmmm, I honestly have no clue about Oats. I tried to research his games and I saw him get mislynched as town a ton of times. He seems fairly consistently useless. Can you explain more of why you think Oats is mafia?
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pandain
11-27-2013
03:04 PM ET (US)
Also if oats is scum, LM is town because he asked Austin how likely a Oats/Thrawn scum team is.

So I think Oats should be lynched tomorrow first
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pandain
11-27-2013
03:01 PM ET (US)
I think Onegu is town. He gave a definitive "very townie" read on mocsta.
He was very sketchy with voting ausitn in a useless vote that allowed rayn intead of risen to get lyched and didn't really push for Austin, but I think both coag and oats are more sketchy.

I think LM is town, or will probably be town if he's the only scum left. Let me explain for a number of reasons. One, he's not playing a lot when it's important for scum to start being more active. Two, I think his masoning yamato is townie still. Third, if he's the only scum left I don't think he's the kind of guy who will keep playing. So if there's one scum left and they don't give up, that sort of points to a noob like LM not being the last scum.

Finally, I think others are mor suspicious like Oats and Coag.
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Pandain
11-27-2013
02:20 PM ET (US)
Hi
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-27-2013
02:05 PM ET (US)
Pandain and Mig mason Day 5/Night 5

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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
12-02-2013
08:01 PM ET (US)
CLOSED
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onegu
12-02-2013
07:00 AM ET (US)
Have you reread hopeless yet?
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onegu
12-01-2013
02:40 PM ET (US)
You mean oats? Because I felt better about a CC lynch after what austin said. Like basicly its odd oats hasnt really pushed a lynch, and he didnt vote BC, but CC looks much worse with his read switches and the risen thing.
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Pandain
12-01-2013
02:00 PM ET (US)
Why did you Unvote cc
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onegu
12-01-2013
01:12 PM ET (US)
yeah I dont like hopeless much, and like to be honest I dont put that much stock on what dead scum have said, like if you are null that can tip the scale, but it shouldnt make someone town or scum on its own.
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Pandain
12-01-2013
01:08 PM ET (US)
Yeah hopeless suspicious because of his "oh can't convince anyone pandain is scum so I won't do shit"
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onegu
12-01-2013
11:12 AM ET (US)
/m43 the bus part is in reference to /m6

What are your thoughts on that?
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onegu
12-01-2013
10:38 AM ET (US)
I thought he actually voted BC, yeah Im good with a oats vote.
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onegu
12-01-2013
10:29 AM ET (US)
Wait did oats not vote BC?
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onegu
12-01-2013
10:26 AM ET (US)
Actually LMs post on oats looks good I could go with that.
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onegu
12-01-2013
08:20 AM ET (US)
Is this a bus then?

Yeah I feel you and austin are for sure town
Coag, grack, LM and VA are likely town
Slam is a coin flip
that leaves oats and hopeless in the likely scum
HF and MRCC as scum

Im ok to vote for anyone in the bottom 4 but prefer MRCC as a HF lynch wont happen at this stage.
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onegu
12-01-2013
05:40 AM ET (US)
Also I really dont like how Mr. Cc came back into the thread, like I said I was going to make a case on him then austin steals my thunder while I am trying to write things from my tablet. But no CC says my case is opportunistic....
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onegu
12-01-2013
05:34 AM ET (US)
Grack is town, i thoight he might be scum earlier with his trolling, but he has kept it up the entire game, was early on BC, and voted thrawn also.

Not much to say on LM, I still hold to the statement a scum team isnt going to let him mason a town yamato day 1, it just isnt going to happen. And LM would ask before doing amything, I have been scum with him twice and he always asks. I still have no idea why HF thinks otherwise if he is town after playimg scum with him in hogwarts.
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Pandain
12-01-2013
04:35 AM ET (US)
Oats/Cheesecake are my top reads definitely.
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Pandain
12-01-2013
04:26 AM ET (US)
I completely understand haha that's more important
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onegu
12-01-2013
02:47 AM ET (US)
I believe you are town, a scum mason wouldnt mason me its not worth it as I was a very likely person to die today and my voice carries little weight.

Also I have a handicapped son that is very handicappped and when he has any kind of issue I have to give him 100% of my attention so I am still readimg as there was a problem with my sons trach when he rolled over. He is sleeping now so I shouldnt have more interuptions.
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Pandain
12-01-2013
02:17 AM ET (US)
This better be the best filter analysis I've ever heard in my life
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Pandain
12-01-2013
12:51 AM ET (US)
I'll give reasons why I should be town to you, because I think you're going to need to trust me.

Only three votes are out right now. You're an easy lynch, and no one else is going to get lynched except you, Cheesecake, or Oats.
I don't think CC is conclusive enough.

Here's why I'm town:
1. All my mason choices have been clear town. First three were Supersoft, BC, and then Mig. That shows lack of fear, and my mason logs are pretty legit. Esp B.C., where we disagree a lot and there's actually emotional conflict in there. I masoned Grack which makes sense because Grackapack. I masoned Hopeless and now you to figure out your guys' alignment. All town mason choices unlike Thrawn who with masons like Koshi and Rayne shows that he was scared.

2. Most people who are dead thought I was town. I masoned SS and Mig, and they're confirmed town, and they had strong town reads on me. Prob cuz they liked me in mason chats.

3. I've clearly shown an interst to lynch scum, not just Oats. I'm talking with you and trying to figure out who is scum, actually getting conversation started.
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Pandain
12-01-2013
12:10 AM ET (US)
I think I've filtered everyone so let me know if you have any comments, questions, or anything.
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onegu
11-30-2013
11:48 PM ET (US)
Will do you and VA today as I have no other plans for today. Then I still want to get to HF.
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onegu
11-30-2013
11:46 PM ET (US)
Grack and then LM
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Pandain
11-30-2013
11:22 PM ET (US)
Who are you filtering now
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Pandain
11-30-2013
11:12 PM ET (US)
He wouldn't be afraid I would catch him hahahaha
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onegu
11-30-2013
11:11 PM ET (US)
Maybe he was afraid you would catch him so he just shut up. I can see where you are comeing from with oats, I havent played enough with him to know his meta well. I just know he doesnt do much but is in your face about it. I could vote him, would prefer a CC or HF lynch. Im going to finish my filter reads today.
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Pandain
11-30-2013
07:32 PM ET (US)
Also Hopeless like didn't even give the apperance of wanting to talk to me in our chat.
He was like "Lol scum nice try", which doesn't seem like a mafia thing to do
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Pandain
11-30-2013
07:08 PM ET (US)
I'm decidely less sure on a Cheesecake lynch. He might just genuinely think you are scum after all you were somewhat suspicious
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Pandain
11-30-2013
04:48 PM ET (US)
This is not town Oats. He is way too passive in picking lynches and going after people. Seems way more indicative of mafia then town, who have an objective to find scum.
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Pandain
11-30-2013
02:45 PM ET (US)
And it's not that he hasn't made a case, it's that he hasn't even pushed a lynch except Risen against Thrawn.

And it's day 6.

That's not Oats
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Pandain
11-30-2013
02:45 PM ET (US)
Eh Hopeless also was the target of conversation of BC. I forget if he said it to SS or me, but he said he wanted to lynch him.

That's not certain since BC didn't push him, but I think it's something to note.

I just think Oats is way better to be honest.

Hopeless could just be playing bad, is there any reason why he's SCUMMY
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onegu
11-30-2013
01:07 PM ET (US)
Yeah and as town he never made anything close to a case like that in hogwarts. He did make one case as town in WC2 mafia, but it looks much more thought out and in depth ill link it for you

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...currentpage=91#1815
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:58 PM ET (US)
Rayn was first, its almost like he saw who a really vocal townie made a case then added a bit and made his own case, because he doesnt talk about you before that and then tunnels you the rest of the game.
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:55 PM ET (US)
Moment I need to look whose case on you was up first rayn or hopeless.
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:53 PM ET (US)
And jeez does he tunnel you into oblivion. Did you do something to him in mason chat that got deleted?

Then a flip onto thrawn, and then a risen vote and never heard from again.

I think he has a better chance to flip scum than oats tbh. Like look what he does with LM and coag. He brings them up only to say they should be ignored until lylo?

Yes he voted for thrawn and BC, but the timeings seem off, like thats who he had to vote for. He had a town read rayn, so he cant vote him. I guess he could habe voted risen, but that still doesnt save BC. And he was lateish to the party on thrawn also.
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:36 PM ET (US)
And have you actually read hopeless case on you? Man you are confirmed scum (sarcasm), because you KNOW mig is town and letting scum see his notes. That case seems kinda forced, he never did anything like that in hogwarts iirc I need to check.
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:32 PM ET (US)
The wishy washy I will give you his reads go all over the place. you mean the twrawn lynch he was all risen is scum, then all of a sudden risen martyring is townie but vote risen.
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Pandain
11-30-2013
12:07 PM ET (US)
He never led his own lynch. He was very wispy washy on all scum and tried to stop a risen lynch
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onegu
11-30-2013
07:54 AM ET (US)
Im fairly null on oats, other than being wromg alot, calling out people for not finding scum day one then not finding scum. Then says SS is scummier than BC changes to BC late with little reason then is like am I still scum, I was right about BC. Then wrong about mig, wrong about risen, wrong about multiple people, Right about VE lol. And not really doing anything. Like I could lynch him but I feel much better Mr. Cc is scum.
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onegu
11-30-2013
03:19 AM ET (US)
Ok I am going to my wifes dermatologist first then the mall, the doctors office doesnt have wifi but the mall does. I have Oats filter open and all on one page so I can read while I am there, also have grack, and hopeless open also. Other than you I have town reads on everyone else, except HF and I will work on those later. Null on you, but doubt you would mason me as scum.
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:58 AM ET (US)
Ok Im going to shower I will be back in a few and start my read of oats.
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Pandain
11-30-2013
12:58 AM ET (US)
Let me know when you read Oats.

And I 100% agree. I haven't told him that thought because I want to see how he reacts. If he is faking it, then we have to keep him on the suspicious line so he feels pressured. Otherwise, if he's scum and played the insane card he'll keep doing it
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:56 AM ET (US)
/m11 But I also dont think scum slam would martyr like he is. This is why I have a very hard time reading slam.
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:51 AM ET (US)
Ok, I will push him to the back burner for now.
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:47 AM ET (US)
I am finishing catching up now and slam looks really bad for his reason to not want to lynch oats. But also yes slam is normally that confused.
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Pandain
11-30-2013
12:44 AM ET (US)
helped gurantee it*
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Pandain
11-30-2013
12:44 AM ET (US)
Honestly Holy pushed both BC and Thrawn, and while you can say he did it because they were about to die, or momentum was shifting that way, he helped shield it.

I think if we slowly lynch more scum his alignment will become more clear. And if we hit lylo, then he can be up. But don't go after him first.
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:42 AM ET (US)
I will read oats today while I am out. Also when I wrote the CC thing it was 330am for me and I knew I was going out today, sorry for peaceing out.
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:40 AM ET (US)
I agree.

Also you need to look more at hogwarts mafia, not b2b for holy meta. Holy knew he had to switch his playstyle up in b2b, and did so commenting on you havent seen me play like this as town or scum.
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Pandain
11-30-2013
12:38 AM ET (US)
Actually, cheesecake is even more sketchy then I thought. Like not really putting analysis out there yet throwing reads on people, doubt he could support them to be honest. At one point he was like "oh god this guy is scummy, this guy too". Then later "shenanigans to other people?"

Just weird play, but I think Oats/CC, if they are scum, are on the same team tbh. Not definitive but it makes sense to me. And I think Oats is more likely to flip scum.
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Pandain
11-30-2013
12:34 AM ET (US)
Cheesecake came out of nowhere to make a giant post on a part that most people weren't thinking about: Risen being town. It was also a weird thing to make a post about; he didn't do any actual analysis, just a reflection and a game plan.

I think he could be scum.
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onegu
11-30-2013
12:18 AM ET (US)
good morning.

1. some real life stuff happened and I missed over 24 hours of the game.

2. I planning on makeing a updated case on him. I cannot shake the feeling of him being scum

3. Yes for the portion leading up to it I was afk in both games I was playing that is when I had irl stuff come up.

4. HF, Mr. Cheesecake. Not coag. Will do my filterdive of oats today and see what I think of him.

5. I have a really hard time reading slam. He came into the game with a new attitude than previous games and I felt he was town for it, but now he has basicly dropped it, started posting in codes and not makeing sense. This doesnt sit well with me but he wouldnt be my lynch choice for today.

I am going to the mall today but believe it or not that is when I get the most work done in game while my wife shops.


What are your thoughts on cheesecake? As I read these filters Ill let you know what I am feeling and see if we are on close to the same page.
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Pandain
11-29-2013
10:27 PM ET (US)
What do you think about slam?
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Pandain
11-29-2013
08:15 PM ET (US)
Hey you have a lot of questions to answer

1. Why have you been so lackluster this game

2. What do you think about HF now

3. Were you just totally gone during the Thrawn lynch

4. Who do you want to lynch today.
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-29-2013
08:08 PM ET (US)
Pandain + Onegu mason Day 6/Night 6

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LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted
12-02-2013
12:45 AM ET (US)
I was afk/asleep for most of D5/N5, then figured I didn't want to mason someone for the last 12 hours or so because I'd just be limiting my options for the following cycles.
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Pandain
12-01-2013
09:48 PM ET (US)
sorry wrong name filled in, that was a joke one from my thrawn mason chat.

"why didn't you mason anyone day 5"
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thrawn(actually pandain)
12-01-2013
09:48 PM ET (US)
why didn't you mason anyone day 5
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Pandain
12-01-2013
06:49 PM ET (US)
You here?
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Pandain
12-01-2013
03:55 PM ET (US)
Logs*
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Pandain
12-01-2013
03:55 PM ET (US)
Actually with you in mason love you look pretty good too so don't think I would lynch you
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Pandain
12-01-2013
03:29 PM ET (US)
I'll be talking a lot more at night or in like 3-4 hours I can only post on my phone.

I did have a Strong town read on slam but if it comes down to only one scum left then everyone is up for grabs except for me, and Austin
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LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted
12-01-2013
03:13 PM ET (US)
Would Alakaslam seem like a reasonable third scum? His voting history is absolutely terrible, and despite having reasonably sized filter he hasn't actually *said* almost anything nor taken stances on anyone.
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Pandain
12-01-2013
02:48 PM ET (US)
Yeah that's why I'm not defending CC too hard.
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LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted
12-01-2013
02:00 PM ET (US)
Is it possible that CC and Oats are both scum?
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Pandain
12-01-2013
01:46 PM ET (US)
He's just wrong but not scummy the reasons are ok by flawed
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LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted
12-01-2013
01:42 PM ET (US)
What's your view on austinmcc calling Oatsmaster town?
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Pandain
12-01-2013
12:56 PM ET (US)
I think cheesecake is a good bet. And then it's possible onegu is scum that they are bussing, or hf or even maaaybe Vayne

And yeah grack is town in my eyes
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LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted
12-01-2013
10:28 AM ET (US)
Also I'd love to hear what you think of Grackaroni and the fact that the flipped scummers seemed to be pushing him for pretty much the entire game.
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LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted
12-01-2013
07:29 AM ET (US)
You're currently voting Oatsmaster. I agree that he's scummy as hell, but I'm having trouble with figuring out who could be his buddies. Assuming we lynch him and he flips red, who would you lynch next?
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LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted
12-01-2013
06:16 AM ET (US)
Posted the logs, sorry about the delay, decided to take yet another nap before I finished that.
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Pandain
12-01-2013
04:28 AM ET (US)
What's up dude?
Can you paste your mason logs in the thread?
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Adam4167Person was signed in when posted
12-01-2013
03:47 AM ET (US)
LoneMeow+Pandain D6/N6
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