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On December 04 2013 02:37 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'd like to hear why you had Pandain as town if you'd be so inclined. I don't have my notes here, so all I can say is that I remember having marked him as town. I'll recheck in a couple of hours when I get home.
So, after having checked my notes, I'm not so sure about Pandain after all. His votes look far worse than I remembered, and since he was in no risk of actually being lynched when BloodyC0bbler switched that doesn't buy him any town cred whatsoever. I shall commence a proper re-read.
Oh and I masoned him D6/N6.
+ Show Spoiler [D6/N6: LoneMeow & Pandain] +
Pandain
What's up dude?
Can you paste your mason logs in the thread?
LoneMeow
Posted the logs, sorry about the delay, decided to take yet another nap before I finished that.
LoneMeow
You're currently voting Oatsmaster. I agree that he's scummy as hell, but I'm having trouble with figuring out who could be his buddies. Assuming we lynch him and he flips red, who would you lynch next?
LoneMeow
Also I'd love to hear what you think of Grackaroni and the fact that the flipped scummers seemed to be pushing him for pretty much the entire game.
Pandain
I think cheesecake is a good bet. And then it's possible onegu is scum that they are bussing, or hf or even maaaybe Vayne
And yeah grack is town in my eyes
LoneMeow
What's your view on austinmcc calling Oatsmaster town?
Pandain
He's just wrong but not scummy the reasons are ok by flawed
LoneMeow
Is it possible that CC and Oats are both scum?
Pandain
Yeah that's why I'm not defending CC too hard.
LoneMeow
Would Alakaslam seem like a reasonable third scum? His voting history is absolutely terrible, and despite having reasonably sized filter he hasn't actually *said* almost anything nor taken stances on anyone.
Pandain
I'll be talking a lot more at night or in like 3-4 hours I can only post on my phone.
I did have a Strong town read on slam but if it comes down to only one scum left then everyone is up for grabs except for me, and Austin
Pandain
Actually with you in mason love you look pretty good too so don't think I would lynch you
Pandain
Logs*
Pandain
You here?
thrawn(actually pandain)
why didn't you mason anyone day 5
Pandain
sorry wrong name filled in, that was a joke one from my thrawn mason chat.
"why didn't you mason anyone day 5"
LoneMeow
I was afk/asleep for most of D5/N5, then figured I didn't want to mason someone for the last 12 hours or so because I'd just be limiting my options for the following cycles.
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Perhaps someone will find this useful for something:
Day 1:
yamato77 (7): yamato77, OOHCHILD, Grackaroni, Pandain, Spaghetticus, Mattchew, Skanjab1s, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
VisceraEyes (9): VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Coagulation, Alakaslam, Risen, StorrZerg, LoneMeow, Artanis[Xp], OOHCHILD, Koshi, Koshi, austinmcc
OOHCHILD (0): Grackaroni, Pandain
hiro protagonist (1): hiro protagonist
Mocsta (1): OOHCHILD, Mocsta
supersoft (9): supersoft, BloodyC0bbler, OOHCHILD, Stutters695, Pandain, VisceraEyes, Sharrant, Holyflare, supersoft, Koshi, austinmcc, Alakaslam, Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet (0): raynpelikoneet
Bloodyc0bbler (2): Mr. Cheesecake, Alakaslam, supersoft, Mig
Blazinghand (1): Blazinghand, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
Koshi (0): Koshi, Skanjab1s
Onegu (1): Onegu
Alakaslam (0): Alakaslam
austinmcc (0): austinmcc
Day 2:
Oatsmaster (0): supersoft, Pandain, Thrawn2112, VisceraEyes, Holyflare, supersoft
Holyflare (0): raynpelikoneet
Blazinghand (17): Pandain, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, LoneMeow, raynpelikoneet, Artanis[Xp], Koshi, Onegu, Hopeless1der, BloodyC0bbler, VayneAuthority, Coagulation, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Mr Cheesecake, OOHCHILD, supersoft, Mig, Austin
Hopeless1der (0): thrawn2112
Grackaroni (1): Blazinghand, thrawn2112, thrawn2112
raynpelikoneet (0): Alakaslam, supersoft
Pandain (3): Risen, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, thrawn2112
BloodyC0bbler (4): Holyflare, Artanis[Xp], Alakaslam, Artanis[Xp], Mattchew
Mattchew (0): Artanis[Xp]
Day 3:
Pandain (6): Risen, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet, Coagulation, Risen, Pandain, thrawn2112, LoneMeow, BloodyC0bbler
Grackaroni (2): Risen, BloodyC0bbler, Koshi, Coagulation
BloodyC0bbler (10): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Mig, Grackaroni, Koshi, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Pandain, Holyflare, LoneMeow, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der
LoneMeow (2): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake
supersoft (0): Risen, Koshi, Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der, Risen
Mig (1): BloodyC0bbler, Oatsmaster
Coagulation (0): Grackaroni, Oatsmaster
VayneAuthority (0): Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Koshi, Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (6): Alakaslam, Koshi, Mr Cheesecake, Pandain, Koshi, Pandain, Alakaslam, Risen, austinmcc
Oatsmaster (2): Alakaslam, supersoft, Risen
Risen (5): Oatsmaster, Mig, supersoft, Alakaslam, Pandain, Holyflare, Onegu, supersoft, Grackaroni, VayneAuthority, BloodyC0bbler
Alakaslam (0): VayneAuthority, Risen, raynpelikoneet
Onegu (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (0): Onegu
Holyflare (1): Onegu, Risen
austinmcc (1): Onegu
thrawn2112 (0): austinmcc
Not voting (1 vote):: Alakaslam (1),
Day 4:
Risen (5): Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Pandain, Risen, Koshi, Mig, Holyflare, Grackaroni, Alakaslam, Onegu
thrawn2112 (7): austinmcc, Holyflare, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, Grackaroni, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Holyflare, Alakaslam
Pandain (0): Hopeless1der
VayneAuthority (2): thrawn2112, Alakaslam, Alakaslam
Alakaslam (1): VayneAuthority
not voting (1): Oatsmaster
Day 5:
Risen (10): Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Oatsmaster, Holyflare, Alakaslam, Mig, Hopeless1der, Risen, Pandain, Grackaroni, Coagulation, LoneMeow, Onegu, Risen
Holyflare (1): VayneAuthority
LoneMeow (1): Alakaslam
Onegu: (2): Holyflare, Risen, Mr. Cheesecake
Day 6:
Oatsmaster (4): Pandain, Alakaslam, Coagulation, Pandain, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Onegu, Grackaroni
Mr. Cheesecake (7): Alakaslam, Pandain, austinmcc, Hopeless1der, LoneMeow, Onegu, VayneAuthority, Holyflare
Coagulation (1): Holyflare
Not voting (1): Oatsmaster
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i can appreciate that coloring the votes takes work, but did you garner anything from the process?
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Onegu, Coagulation, Holy are my guesses.
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Hopeless I cannot fathom that you still think I'm scum. Plus, you say I didn't try anything with you, but I did and then you were like "Lol stop talking" so that's why I just stopped talking to you.
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Onegu also thinks you're scum so I find it fascinating he's not re-evaluating me based on what you're saying.
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Everyone else is town to me tbh.
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On December 04 2013 07:14 Pandain wrote:
Onegu, Coagulation, Holy are my guesses.
Just like holy, oats, cc scum team yes? :D why are people playing today like it's day 1?? You're just saying a bunch of names abd adding scum to it but aren't backing it up with evidence, conclusions, logic. I get suspicions because I have a butt load of them and I even question my super towny reads at points but adding it to the thread like you people are doing is not contribution. In fact only LM has properly tried that.
My real contender for the lynch today is alakaslam and the vote switch was the trigger for that. There are a lot of questionable things in his filter that I suggest you look at. I will update you when I get to a computer
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Just a question, why did you vote CC
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On December 04 2013 04:06 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 03:54 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:32 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum. Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did. I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make. Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages... On December 04 2013 03:47 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:32 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum. Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did. I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make. Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages... I'd prefer if you could point exactly what in my filter it is that you find scummy. General sweeping statements make it very hard to figure out if you actually have a case or are just trying to justify a fake read. I'm probably stupid but I can't figure out which points you are referring to, can you please make a clear list of things you want me to answer? I'm not sure how you expect me to respond to those. Yes, I've been absent, and will continue to be so. So you have me as scum by process of elimination - how exactly do you expect me to respond to that? If you want to talk about something slightly more specific, like my reads or votes, I'm up for it.
Were you absent for irl? Who do you wanna lynch, do you see anyone good, I dunno.
I sux at this
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Which slam vote switch are you talking about HF?
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On December 04 2013 07:58 Pandain wrote:
Just a question, why did you vote CC
He made a plan that said what to do if risen was town and that we had to lynch risen but then when i was going for the onegu lynch he hopped straight off of the risen lynch even though all his game plan was based off risen lynch scenarios. I thought he was town and was arguing for him but then saw that situation on a last minute trawl.
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On December 04 2013 05:37 LoneMeow wrote:
Perhaps someone will find this useful for something:
Day 1:
yamato77 (7): yamato77, OOHCHILD, Grackaroni, Pandain, Spaghetticus, Mattchew, Skanjab1s, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
VisceraEyes (9): VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Coagulation, Alakaslam, Risen, StorrZerg, LoneMeow, Artanis[Xp], OOHCHILD, Koshi, Koshi, austinmcc
OOHCHILD (0): Grackaroni, Pandain
hiro protagonist (1): hiro protagonist
Mocsta (1): OOHCHILD, Mocsta
supersoft (9): supersoft, BloodyC0bbler, OOHCHILD, Stutters695, Pandain, VisceraEyes, Sharrant, Holyflare, supersoft, Koshi, austinmcc, Alakaslam, Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet (0): raynpelikoneet
Bloodyc0bbler (2): Mr. Cheesecake, Alakaslam, supersoft, Mig
Blazinghand (1): Blazinghand, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
Koshi (0): Koshi, Skanjab1s
Onegu (1): Onegu
Alakaslam (0): Alakaslam
austinmcc (0): austinmcc
Day 2:
Oatsmaster (0): supersoft, Pandain, Thrawn2112, VisceraEyes, Holyflare, supersoft
Holyflare (0): raynpelikoneet
Blazinghand (17): Pandain, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, LoneMeow, raynpelikoneet, Artanis[Xp], Koshi, Onegu, Hopeless1der, BloodyC0bbler, VayneAuthority, Coagulation, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Mr Cheesecake, OOHCHILD, supersoft, Mig, Austin
Hopeless1der (0): thrawn2112
Grackaroni (1): Blazinghand, thrawn2112, thrawn2112
raynpelikoneet (0): Alakaslam, supersoft
Pandain (3): Risen, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, thrawn2112
BloodyC0bbler (4): Holyflare, Artanis[Xp], Alakaslam, Artanis[Xp], Mattchew
Mattchew (0): Artanis[Xp]
Day 3:
Pandain (6): Risen, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet, Coagulation, Risen, Pandain, thrawn2112, LoneMeow, BloodyC0bbler
Grackaroni (2): Risen, BloodyC0bbler, Koshi, Coagulation
BloodyC0bbler (10): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Mig, Grackaroni, Koshi, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Pandain, Holyflare, LoneMeow, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der
LoneMeow (2): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake
supersoft (0): Risen, Koshi, Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der, Risen
Mig (1): BloodyC0bbler, Oatsmaster
Coagulation (0): Grackaroni, Oatsmaster
VayneAuthority (0): Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Koshi, Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (6): Alakaslam, Koshi, Mr Cheesecake, Pandain, Koshi, Pandain, Alakaslam, Risen, austinmcc
Oatsmaster (2): Alakaslam, supersoft, Risen
Risen (5): Oatsmaster, Mig, supersoft, Alakaslam, Pandain, Holyflare, Onegu, supersoft, Grackaroni, VayneAuthority, BloodyC0bbler
Alakaslam (0): VayneAuthority, Risen, raynpelikoneet
Onegu (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (0): Onegu
Holyflare (1): Onegu, Risen
austinmcc (1): Onegu
thrawn2112 (0): austinmcc
Not voting (1 vote):: Alakaslam (1),
Day 4:
Risen (5): Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Pandain, Risen, Koshi, Mig, Holyflare, Grackaroni, Alakaslam, Onegu
thrawn2112 (7): austinmcc, Holyflare, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, Grackaroni, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Holyflare, Alakaslam
Pandain (0): Hopeless1der
VayneAuthority (2): thrawn2112, Alakaslam, Alakaslam
Alakaslam (1): VayneAuthority
not voting (1): Oatsmaster
Day 5:
Risen (10): Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Oatsmaster, Holyflare, Alakaslam, Mig, Hopeless1der, Risen, Pandain, Grackaroni, Coagulation, LoneMeow, Onegu, Risen
Holyflare (1): VayneAuthority
LoneMeow (1): Alakaslam
Onegu: (2): Holyflare, Risen, Mr. Cheesecake
Day 6:
Oatsmaster (4): Pandain, Alakaslam, Coagulation, Pandain, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Onegu, Grackaroni
Mr. Cheesecake (7): Alakaslam, Pandain, austinmcc, Hopeless1der, LoneMeow, Onegu, VayneAuthority, Holyflare
Coagulation (1): Holyflare
Not voting (1): Oatsmaster
Do you see it, pandain/Coag?
I am epically scum. I pushed myself when it wasn't lylo-mylo- close whatever, now you need this nagging doubt that I'm scum. My voting pattern is essentially :O Thrawn so wise :O BC so wise :O sheep time
So I look more scum than scum.
Risen on the other hand had something to give the game and people weren't even gonna lunch him till he pushed himself so hard he determined the game off his flip.
However I just remembered cheese flipped town
Why aren't we
Hold on
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On December 04 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:
Which slam vote switch are you talking about HF?
The one that says that risen/thrawn votes are much too close and that we need to consolidate onto thrawn and slam says sure and does but then switches to dead vote VA in stealth shenanigans
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On November 26 2013 14:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Mr. Cheesecake's Big List of What The Fuck to Do 1) Risen needs to be lynched tomorrow, cut and dry. If you are advocating against lynching Risen, you are not being pro-town. There is indisputable evidence that Risen is probably mafia. In the event he flips town, the game is all but won due to the information we possess via votecounts and flipped scum associations. A) Evidence - Not a single mention of Risen in Mocsta's filter. Albeit short, he never mentions Risen throughout the cycle in which he lived. Thrawn did not want to lynch Risen, nor did BC. This is obvious by the votecounts on Day 3, in which both mafia voted for Pandain rather than Risen. Thrawn blatantly says that he doesn't want to lynch Risen during Day 3.
B) Evidence - Risen martyr's like a fool. I saw little attempt to direct town in the right direction if he had died. He Promises to make cases before the deadline! Look!
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 08:27 Risen wrote:
1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me.
2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not.
Risen is not caring about the town, and doesn't make good on his promises. Did you see any giant Risen case? He was about to die, very close. No cases. He was going to die silently.
C) Evidence - Risen just isn't playing very pro-town in general. I can't exactly say much to this point, but it's true. What evidence is there that Risen is town? I can't find much in this regard. Lynch. 2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct. Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town. Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen. Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn. Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn. austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town. Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches. Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on. LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez. Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town. Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember. Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn. Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled. Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim? VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either. 3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left! We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn. For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Scum has 1 KP. With daybreak, assuming 1 town dies, game will be at 3 v 11 (14 players left). Assuming Risen flips town + 1 more death, 3 v 9. Mislynch again. 3 v 7. mislynch AGAIN 3 v 5 lylo. This means that IF Risen flips town, we still have two lynches with ALL THAT INFORMATION. Still, a VERY good position for town! If he flips scum, we have more mislynches allotted, but with less direction. Can probably close out the game by being active, and when the first scum of the last two flips. Game's in the bag, folks. If anyone can dispute this strategy, do so now. Lynch Risen, win game.
Duuuuuude the energies
Yes bookmarking in filter
I need to not lose sight of this
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On December 04 2013 08:14 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 14:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Mr. Cheesecake's Big List of What The Fuck to Do 1) Risen needs to be lynched tomorrow, cut and dry. If you are advocating against lynching Risen, you are not being pro-town. There is indisputable evidence that Risen is probably mafia. In the event he flips town, the game is all but won due to the information we possess via votecounts and flipped scum associations. A) Evidence - Not a single mention of Risen in Mocsta's filter. Albeit short, he never mentions Risen throughout the cycle in which he lived. Thrawn did not want to lynch Risen, nor did BC. This is obvious by the votecounts on Day 3, in which both mafia voted for Pandain rather than Risen. Thrawn blatantly says that he doesn't want to lynch Risen during Day 3.
B) Evidence - Risen martyr's like a fool. I saw little attempt to direct town in the right direction if he had died. He Promises to make cases before the deadline! Look!
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 08:27 Risen wrote:
1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me.
2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not.
Risen is not caring about the town, and doesn't make good on his promises. Did you see any giant Risen case? He was about to die, very close. No cases. He was going to die silently.
C) Evidence - Risen just isn't playing very pro-town in general. I can't exactly say much to this point, but it's true. What evidence is there that Risen is town? I can't find much in this regard. Lynch. 2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct. Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town. Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen. Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn. Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn. austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town. Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches. Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on. LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez. Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town. Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember. Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn. Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled. Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim? VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either. 3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left! We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn. For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Scum has 1 KP. With daybreak, assuming 1 town dies, game will be at 3 v 11 (14 players left). Assuming Risen flips town + 1 more death, 3 v 9. Mislynch again. 3 v 7. mislynch AGAIN 3 v 5 lylo. This means that IF Risen flips town, we still have two lynches with ALL THAT INFORMATION. Still, a VERY good position for town! If he flips scum, we have more mislynches allotted, but with less direction. Can probably close out the game by being active, and when the first scum of the last two flips. Game's in the bag, folks. If anyone can dispute this strategy, do so now. Lynch Risen, win game. Duuuuuude the energies Yes bookmarking in filter I need to not lose sight of this
Wait what? Te fails
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I think Holy's case on Alak is pretty weak. He unvoted Thrawn when Thrawn would still be in the lead. He didn't continue to argue against Thrawn. That's so risky for mafia to do, and unnecessary. And while it doesn't make him town neccesarily, it certainly doesn't make him scum.
He picks Alak who has 19 pages, had 6 in his scum game of B2B, when he said he wanted to lynch lurkers. Also called Alak a lurker. Lol, may be useless, but not a lurker.
His push yesterday was unfocused, came at the last second.
On December 02 2013 07:12 Holyflare wrote:
What's up! I don't think we should lynch cheesecake today by the way, he has only really been discussed VERY recently and you have had no back and forth, austin you are in agreement (presumably because half the things you said on coag were what I said in my case) on coag and he HAS been discussed and was part of the original lynch plan. I am much more comfortable lynching him over cheesecake unless you can wholeheartedly convince me otherwise.
##Vote Coag
This contrasts with his push of saying to lynch Alak, who no one was really talking about before. Seems out of place. A lot of his lynch didn't make sense.
Next, despite him saying that Oats was quote: "Scummy as hell", he was never a serious canidate for Holy. That's weird to me considering he said quote: "scummy as hell."
Next, if Holy had been the only sane townie, then why did mafia shoot Vayne and not Holy, the last beacon of sanity.
I would still rather lynch Coag. I still doubt SS got shot only for his role block nature, and that he was right on only one scum.
Onegu next.
Then we'll go from there.
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On December 04 2013 08:12 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 05:37 LoneMeow wrote:
Perhaps someone will find this useful for something:
Day 1:
yamato77 (7): yamato77, OOHCHILD, Grackaroni, Pandain, Spaghetticus, Mattchew, Skanjab1s, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
VisceraEyes (9): VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Coagulation, Alakaslam, Risen, StorrZerg, LoneMeow, Artanis[Xp], OOHCHILD, Koshi, Koshi, austinmcc
OOHCHILD (0): Grackaroni, Pandain
hiro protagonist (1): hiro protagonist
Mocsta (1): OOHCHILD, Mocsta
supersoft (9): supersoft, BloodyC0bbler, OOHCHILD, Stutters695, Pandain, VisceraEyes, Sharrant, Holyflare, supersoft, Koshi, austinmcc, Alakaslam, Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet (0): raynpelikoneet
Bloodyc0bbler (2): Mr. Cheesecake, Alakaslam, supersoft, Mig
Blazinghand (1): Blazinghand, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
Koshi (0): Koshi, Skanjab1s
Onegu (1): Onegu
Alakaslam (0): Alakaslam
austinmcc (0): austinmcc
Day 2:
Oatsmaster (0): supersoft, Pandain, Thrawn2112, VisceraEyes, Holyflare, supersoft
Holyflare (0): raynpelikoneet
Blazinghand (17): Pandain, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, LoneMeow, raynpelikoneet, Artanis[Xp], Koshi, Onegu, Hopeless1der, BloodyC0bbler, VayneAuthority, Coagulation, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Mr Cheesecake, OOHCHILD, supersoft, Mig, Austin
Hopeless1der (0): thrawn2112
Grackaroni (1): Blazinghand, thrawn2112, thrawn2112
raynpelikoneet (0): Alakaslam, supersoft
Pandain (3): Risen, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, thrawn2112
BloodyC0bbler (4): Holyflare, Artanis[Xp], Alakaslam, Artanis[Xp], Mattchew
Mattchew (0): Artanis[Xp]
Day 3:
Pandain (6): Risen, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet, Coagulation, Risen, Pandain, thrawn2112, LoneMeow, BloodyC0bbler
Grackaroni (2): Risen, BloodyC0bbler, Koshi, Coagulation
BloodyC0bbler (10): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Mig, Grackaroni, Koshi, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Pandain, Holyflare, LoneMeow, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der
LoneMeow (2): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake
supersoft (0): Risen, Koshi, Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der, Risen
Mig (1): BloodyC0bbler, Oatsmaster
Coagulation (0): Grackaroni, Oatsmaster
VayneAuthority (0): Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Koshi, Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (6): Alakaslam, Koshi, Mr Cheesecake, Pandain, Koshi, Pandain, Alakaslam, Risen, austinmcc
Oatsmaster (2): Alakaslam, supersoft, Risen
Risen (5): Oatsmaster, Mig, supersoft, Alakaslam, Pandain, Holyflare, Onegu, supersoft, Grackaroni, VayneAuthority, BloodyC0bbler
Alakaslam (0): VayneAuthority, Risen, raynpelikoneet
Onegu (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (0): Onegu
Holyflare (1): Onegu, Risen
austinmcc (1): Onegu
thrawn2112 (0): austinmcc
Not voting (1 vote):: Alakaslam (1),
Day 4:
Risen (5): Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Pandain, Risen, Koshi, Mig, Holyflare, Grackaroni, Alakaslam, Onegu
thrawn2112 (7): austinmcc, Holyflare, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, Grackaroni, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Holyflare, Alakaslam
Pandain (0): Hopeless1der
VayneAuthority (2): thrawn2112, Alakaslam, Alakaslam
Alakaslam (1): VayneAuthority
not voting (1): Oatsmaster
Day 5:
Risen (10): Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Oatsmaster, Holyflare, Alakaslam, Mig, Hopeless1der, Risen, Pandain, Grackaroni, Coagulation, LoneMeow, Onegu, Risen
Holyflare (1): VayneAuthority
LoneMeow (1): Alakaslam
Onegu: (2): Holyflare, Risen, Mr. Cheesecake
Day 6:
Oatsmaster (4): Pandain, Alakaslam, Coagulation, Pandain, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Onegu, Grackaroni
Mr. Cheesecake (7): Alakaslam, Pandain, austinmcc, Hopeless1der, LoneMeow, Onegu, VayneAuthority, Holyflare
Coagulation (1): Holyflare
Not voting (1): Oatsmaster Do you see it, pandain/Coag? I am epically scum. I pushed myself when it wasn't lylo-mylo- close whatever, now you need this nagging doubt that I'm scum. My voting pattern is essentially :O Thrawn so wise :O BC so wise :O sheep time So I look more scum than scum. Risen on the other hand had something to give the game and people weren't even gonna lunch him till he pushed himself so hard he determined the game off his flip. However I just remembered cheese flipped town Why aren't we Hold on
Okay fine if you want it that bad we can lynch you after Coag and then lose the game.
gratz
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I have no idea why you are pushing this so hard. It honestly is scummy to me
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EPT
