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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On November 19 2013 04:55 cLutZ wrote: Not knowing how Lucian should be played, how would that be? Look at Deft in last saturday's OGN VoDs. (First of all, he never ults if he's in range to do anything else. That's a big one, and a dead horse at the same time.) | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Must play her again. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
its super obvious if she's going in and she probably does'nt want to use Q except if she's already at target so that just leaves E which is a short jump for a squishy melee | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 19 2013 05:09 Slayer91 wrote: riven cant run into a fight an insta kill someone and use a skill to get out again the way zed can or kassadin can its super obvious if she's going in and she probably does'nt want to use Q except if she's already at target so that just leaves E which is a short jump for a squishy melee ok, I see what you mean, she can't technically be classified as an assassin but she has the kill power of an assassin mixed with the team fight capabilities of a bruiser - she really is quite bonkers | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Every single game I get a "black guy stole my kill" joke though | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On November 18 2013 19:32 JonGalt wrote: to add on to this, the average lvl 6 jungler in NA LCS was 7:52. Meteos had an average of 7:25. So I don't know what tax heavy jungler friends wei is playing with, but I'd imagine most junglers are more than "30s to 1min" from hitting 6 compared to solo lanes. probably closer to hitting 6 with a duo lane. What? If you don't gank, you can easily hit lvl 6 before 7 minutes in the jungle with any fast clear champ. You can even cut it down all the way to 6:10 ish with some optimization. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 19 2013 05:09 Slayer91 wrote: riven cant run into a fight an insta kill someone and use a skill to get out again the way zed can or kassadin can its super obvious if she's going in and she probably does'nt want to use Q except if she's already at target so that just leaves E which is a short jump for a squishy melee But she can, run into a fight, kill 3 people, die, revive with GA, shield up, and kill the other 2 guys. On November 19 2013 05:12 Xenocide_Knight wrote: What? If you don't gank, you can easily hit lvl 6 before 7 minutes in the jungle with any fast clear champ. You can even cut it down all the way to 6:10 ish with some optimization. running 0-9-21 pony, gets you level 6 so fast, no one expect 6 min deathmartch in botlane. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On November 19 2013 05:10 jcarlsoniv wrote: ok, I see what you mean, she can't technically be classified as an assassin but she has the kill power of an assassin mixed with the team fight capabilities of a bruiser - she really is quite bonkers But Annie beats her, so why you sweating Springfieldian? | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On November 19 2013 04:58 Alaric wrote: (First of all, he never ults if he's in range to do anything else. That's a big one, and a dead horse at the same time.) Yeah that one's a biggy. Lucian DPS is distinctly higher and more versatile when he's autoattacking. The trick is that, other than being exploded by an AP, Lucian shouldn't die in fights. No bruiser should be reaching him, so he should just be potshotting people. His ult makes sure that bruisers cant do anything by taking over half their health just by running. Lucian should be trying to bait out bruisers and damage onto him and then kite them, leaving them dead in the water after they've burned their gapclosers on the slipperiest of targets (this is why Lucian counters jarvan really, really hard. And Vi too.). The enemy team can't afford to ignore him or chase him, and it makes his damage pretty silly. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On November 19 2013 04:54 Alaric wrote: She can't reach you from 700 range like Talon or 900 like Kha'Zix, she "only" has 325 + 260 = 585 range on a EQ to get in stun range (she'll waste one passive stack if she ulted first, but she doesn't need any to 100-0 squishies, mindless RWQQQR is enough for most of the game as soon as she has half an item's worth of AD). She's still faster bootless than a good chunk of champions with t2 boots just by spamming Q and E on cooldown. Remember when Talon's problem was that "he deals too much AoE damage"? Even taking his max rank E into account and ignoring her ult's bonus, Riven has more AoE damage/ratio with her skills than Talon's single target damage (although his Q's total AD ratio means that he pulls ahead... till you add her ult bonus). Note how I said "skills", not "kit". Now add the passive. Also AD scaling shield. Also AD steroid on her passive working with lifesteal. Also 2 AoE hard cc. And she doesn't need vision for any of her skills. Why are you picking Talon as a comparison, because of that Riot statement? Talon's AoE functions much differently than Riven's(because you know, it's actually AoE, not tiny circles barely longer than auto attack range). Shadow assault has a 500 unit radius, Ki Burst has a 135 and Broken Wings 162.5/200(1st+2nd vs third hit) both with ult activated. Her ult is a bigger cone than Rake, but it's also an execute with not very good minimum damage(kind of why people tend to use it early on in activation to you know, execute the single target they were killing). Just because she has some AoE potential when positioning allows it, doesn't make her AoE a problem. This post is in no way meant to call either Talon or Riven good or bad, just discussing how dumb the comparison feels. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
lulu and nasus (just in general on your team) are also ways to deal with her. man that CLG reddit thread, I feel bad for Kelby, the market is there and the time window is short if he wants to make some cash is that so wrong? Redditors thing everything should be free to the point it's disgusting sometimes. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 19 2013 05:37 zulu_nation8 wrote: I think something like $5000 is probably less than then would make if they all streamed during that time. The biggest fuck up with CLG is signing with Azubu where streams go to die. I think the opportunity to go hang with CLG for a 3 day weekend is really cool. $1k is way over-priced though, especially considering your travel isn't included. I'd consider it for maybe half that. But yeah, they could all be streaming and just make butt-tons. Why did they sign with Azubu? Did twitch not want them/vice-versa? | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 19 2013 05:48 turdburgler wrote: im still torn on lucian, his chase is pretty bonkers so if you are ahead its really easy to secure kills, but in a more equal lane im still not sold on him. That's why comps featuring lucian consider getting ahead a requirement, but really it's easy to get ahead in bot with lucian his Q and passive shit on most ADCs lol. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On November 19 2013 05:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: I think the opportunity to go hang with CLG for a 3 day weekend is really cool. $1k is way over-priced though, especially considering your travel isn't included. I'd consider it for maybe half that. But yeah, they could all be streaming and just make butt-tons. Why did they sign with Azubu? Did twitch not want them/vice-versa? when you consider that food, activities (diamond bar is pretty close to laser tag!!! and who else knows what kelby has planned), probably tons of swag (i would be really surprised if participants left with anything less than a full clg wardrobe), individualized lessons, and a nice roof over your head (diamond bar is a nice neighborhood), the price is definitely not outrageous. the players might make a little bit off of this (less than they would have through streaming, no doubt though), but my guess is that CLG as an organization will probably gain no money out of this at best, and likely lose a bit of cash like, to a starving college student or a high school kid with no job, this is no doubt out of your price range. but for someone with basically any sort of job that wants to spend a little disposable income and support their favorite org, this is an extremely inexpensive (and super awesome) vacation | ||
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