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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 21:00:33
November 18 2013 20:59 GMT
#3841
On November 19 2013 05:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 05:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think something like $5000 is probably less than then would make if they all streamed during that time. The biggest fuck up with CLG is signing with Azubu where streams go to die.


I think the opportunity to go hang with CLG for a 3 day weekend is really cool. $1k is way over-priced though, especially considering your travel isn't included. I'd consider it for maybe half that.

But yeah, they could all be streaming and just make butt-tons. Why did they sign with Azubu? Did twitch not want them/vice-versa?

What? 1k is super cheap for the experience.
Just stay and food alone is 300 dollar expense, for 2 nights 3 days.
700 for the time to hang out with pros? cheap, totes worth.|


also, new solomid stream layout is super fcking nice. i hope they keep it.
liftlift > tsm
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 18 2013 21:03 GMT
#3842
On November 19 2013 05:57 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 05:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 19 2013 05:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think something like $5000 is probably less than then would make if they all streamed during that time. The biggest fuck up with CLG is signing with Azubu where streams go to die.


I think the opportunity to go hang with CLG for a 3 day weekend is really cool. $1k is way over-priced though, especially considering your travel isn't included. I'd consider it for maybe half that.

But yeah, they could all be streaming and just make butt-tons. Why did they sign with Azubu? Did twitch not want them/vice-versa?


when you consider that food, activities (diamond bar is pretty close to laser tag!!! and who else knows what kelby has planned), probably tons of swag (i would be really surprised if participants left with anything less than a full clg wardrobe), individualized lessons, and a nice roof over your head (diamond bar is a nice neighborhood), the price is definitely not outrageous. the players might make a little bit off of this (less than they would have through streaming, no doubt though), but my guess is that CLG as an organization will probably gain no money out of this at best, and likely lose a bit of cash

like, to a starving college student or a high school kid with no job, this is no doubt out of your price range. but for someone with basically any sort of job that wants to spend a little disposable income and support their favorite org, this is an extremely inexpensive (and super awesome) vacation


right, I'm more speaking from my point of view - have some money, but not willing to spend that large a percentage of my current savings on such an experience

I'm sure people will spend the money, and awesome for them, I'm sure it will be tons of fun. But I wouldn't spend that much, probably even if it was a significantly smaller portion of my savings.

Worth is in the eyes of the beholder
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 18 2013 21:03 GMT
#3843
On November 19 2013 05:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 05:09 Slayer91 wrote:
riven cant run into a fight an insta kill someone and use a skill to get out again the way zed can or kassadin can
its super obvious if she's going in and she probably does'nt want to use Q except if she's already at target so that just leaves E which is a short jump for a squishy melee


ok, I see what you mean, she can't technically be classified as an assassin

but

she has the kill power of an assassin mixed with the team fight capabilities of a bruiser - she really is quite bonkers

`
assassins notoriously bad at teamfights tho lol
they tend to snowball early on and split push a lot and then catch people out of position coming from a weird angle in teamfight
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 18 2013 21:05 GMT
#3844
On November 19 2013 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 05:57 gtrsrs wrote:
On November 19 2013 05:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 19 2013 05:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think something like $5000 is probably less than then would make if they all streamed during that time. The biggest fuck up with CLG is signing with Azubu where streams go to die.


I think the opportunity to go hang with CLG for a 3 day weekend is really cool. $1k is way over-priced though, especially considering your travel isn't included. I'd consider it for maybe half that.

But yeah, they could all be streaming and just make butt-tons. Why did they sign with Azubu? Did twitch not want them/vice-versa?


when you consider that food, activities (diamond bar is pretty close to laser tag!!! and who else knows what kelby has planned), probably tons of swag (i would be really surprised if participants left with anything less than a full clg wardrobe), individualized lessons, and a nice roof over your head (diamond bar is a nice neighborhood), the price is definitely not outrageous. the players might make a little bit off of this (less than they would have through streaming, no doubt though), but my guess is that CLG as an organization will probably gain no money out of this at best, and likely lose a bit of cash

like, to a starving college student or a high school kid with no job, this is no doubt out of your price range. but for someone with basically any sort of job that wants to spend a little disposable income and support their favorite org, this is an extremely inexpensive (and super awesome) vacation


right, I'm more speaking from my point of view - have some money, but not willing to spend that large a percentage of my current savings on such an experience

I'm sure people will spend the money, and awesome for them, I'm sure it will be tons of fun. But I wouldn't spend that much, probably even if it was a significantly smaller portion of my savings.

Worth is in the eyes of the beholder

Probably not worth if you have to fly, but assuming you live somewhere in so-cal, 1k + gas money, is super good deal.

plus, think of all the upvotes you get when you post your pics on reddit.
liftlift > tsm
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 18 2013 21:05 GMT
#3845
On November 19 2013 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 05:57 gtrsrs wrote:
On November 19 2013 05:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 19 2013 05:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think something like $5000 is probably less than then would make if they all streamed during that time. The biggest fuck up with CLG is signing with Azubu where streams go to die.


I think the opportunity to go hang with CLG for a 3 day weekend is really cool. $1k is way over-priced though, especially considering your travel isn't included. I'd consider it for maybe half that.

But yeah, they could all be streaming and just make butt-tons. Why did they sign with Azubu? Did twitch not want them/vice-versa?


when you consider that food, activities (diamond bar is pretty close to laser tag!!! and who else knows what kelby has planned), probably tons of swag (i would be really surprised if participants left with anything less than a full clg wardrobe), individualized lessons, and a nice roof over your head (diamond bar is a nice neighborhood), the price is definitely not outrageous. the players might make a little bit off of this (less than they would have through streaming, no doubt though), but my guess is that CLG as an organization will probably gain no money out of this at best, and likely lose a bit of cash

like, to a starving college student or a high school kid with no job, this is no doubt out of your price range. but for someone with basically any sort of job that wants to spend a little disposable income and support their favorite org, this is an extremely inexpensive (and super awesome) vacation


right, I'm more speaking from my point of view - have some money, but not willing to spend that large a percentage of my current savings on such an experience

I'm sure people will spend the money, and awesome for them, I'm sure it will be tons of fun. But I wouldn't spend that much, probably even if it was a significantly smaller portion of my savings.

Worth is in the eyes of the beholder


yeah i got you
and i didn't mean to sound like i was calling you a starving college student with no job either
i used "you" in a generalized sense ^_^
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
November 18 2013 21:08 GMT
#3846
I think Lucian is in a decent spot, I really wish getting the reset on his E was more reliable/helpful. YOu can only reset it by getting a kill with your ult, yet seems the best time to use his ult is when he is out of range to AA, but if you are that far out of range why do you need your dash refreshed? To go back in? That whole synergy feels awkward to me, but the rest of his kit is sweet and feels so good when executed correctly.
I got nothin'...
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
November 18 2013 21:10 GMT
#3847
On November 19 2013 06:08 YouGotNothin wrote:
I think Lucian is in a decent spot, I really wish getting the reset on his E was more reliable/helpful. YOu can only reset it by getting a kill with your ult, yet seems the best time to use his ult is when he is out of range to AA, but if you are that far out of range why do you need your dash refreshed? To go back in? That whole synergy feels awkward to me, but the rest of his kit is sweet and feels so good when executed correctly.

The only reason that is added is because it would look really cool.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 18 2013 21:11 GMT
#3848
On November 19 2013 06:08 YouGotNothin wrote:
I think Lucian is in a decent spot, I really wish getting the reset on his E was more reliable/helpful. YOu can only reset it by getting a kill with your ult, yet seems the best time to use his ult is when he is out of range to AA, but if you are that far out of range why do you need your dash refreshed? To go back in? That whole synergy feels awkward to me, but the rest of his kit is sweet and feels so good when executed correctly.

Tbh he's already pretty damn mobile on the whole, I think what monte suggested once which is make his W able to be fired on the move would be better. I think resetting his E on non ult kills might be a bit too much and result in a mid game penta kill machine when his tri finishes.
Glorious SEA doto
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
November 18 2013 21:16 GMT
#3849
To be fair, if you do happen to get that reset, you literally feel like Neo.
I got nothin'...
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 18 2013 21:17 GMT
#3850
On November 19 2013 06:16 YouGotNothin wrote:
To be fair, if you do happen to get that reset, you literally feel like Neo.

Lucian's ult is so badass, his entire kit is badass they just pretty much made an action hero into an ADC. Even when I considered him trash at release I still picked him up just because he looked so cool.
Glorious SEA doto
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 18 2013 21:24 GMT
#3851
On November 19 2013 06:16 YouGotNothin wrote:
To be fair, if you do happen to get that reset, you literally feel like Neo.

I feel like Keanu Reeves, but more because of that movie where he's a gun templar
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 18 2013 21:26 GMT
#3852
On November 19 2013 06:24 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 06:16 YouGotNothin wrote:
To be fair, if you do happen to get that reset, you literally feel like Neo.

I feel like Keanu Reeves, but more because of that movie where he's a gun templar

I think you mean Christian Bale...
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 18 2013 21:27 GMT
#3853
On November 19 2013 06:24 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 06:16 YouGotNothin wrote:
To be fair, if you do happen to get that reset, you literally feel like Neo.

I feel like Keanu Reeves, but more because of that movie where he's a gun templar

That was equilibrium with Christian Bale, remove movie scrub from premises
Glorious SEA doto
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 18 2013 21:29 GMT
#3854
my only beef with lucian is I want the W speed buff from hitting the W, but he doesn't appear to need any love so it's not goin to happen.
Carrilord has arrived.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 18 2013 21:39 GMT
#3855
Riven is and has always be an AoE Assassin-bruiser-lane bully-late game carry.
The legend of Darien lives on
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
November 18 2013 21:42 GMT
#3856
On November 19 2013 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 05:57 gtrsrs wrote:
On November 19 2013 05:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 19 2013 05:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think something like $5000 is probably less than then would make if they all streamed during that time. The biggest fuck up with CLG is signing with Azubu where streams go to die.


I think the opportunity to go hang with CLG for a 3 day weekend is really cool. $1k is way over-priced though, especially considering your travel isn't included. I'd consider it for maybe half that.

But yeah, they could all be streaming and just make butt-tons. Why did they sign with Azubu? Did twitch not want them/vice-versa?


when you consider that food, activities (diamond bar is pretty close to laser tag!!! and who else knows what kelby has planned), probably tons of swag (i would be really surprised if participants left with anything less than a full clg wardrobe), individualized lessons, and a nice roof over your head (diamond bar is a nice neighborhood), the price is definitely not outrageous. the players might make a little bit off of this (less than they would have through streaming, no doubt though), but my guess is that CLG as an organization will probably gain no money out of this at best, and likely lose a bit of cash

like, to a starving college student or a high school kid with no job, this is no doubt out of your price range. but for someone with basically any sort of job that wants to spend a little disposable income and support their favorite org, this is an extremely inexpensive (and super awesome) vacation


right, I'm more speaking from my point of view - have some money, but not willing to spend that large a percentage of my current savings on such an experience

I'm sure people will spend the money, and awesome for them, I'm sure it will be tons of fun. But I wouldn't spend that much, probably even if it was a significantly smaller portion of my savings.

Worth is in the eyes of the beholder

If you think you have money, but not that much, then you don't actually have money ^^.
The deal isn't there for everybody, but just for a small segment of group. You and I are clearly not in that group, but people blow $1000 for road trip or casino or stuff on one particular weekend all the time, and that's fine.

If they do CLC Tourcamp in various cities across America, then more people are gonna like it. Right now unless you live near the camp, it doesn't make sense to fly all the way there to attend.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 18 2013 22:04 GMT
#3857
On November 19 2013 06:27 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 06:24 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On November 19 2013 06:16 YouGotNothin wrote:
To be fair, if you do happen to get that reset, you literally feel like Neo.

I feel like Keanu Reeves, but more because of that movie where he's a gun templar

That was equilibrium with Christian Bale, remove movie scrub from premises

I know that movie, it's not what I'm referring to. I swear there was a movie that wasn't the matrix where he did this.

I'm not crazy I promise ;_;
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 18 2013 22:04 GMT
#3858
I have no interest in it, and I don't think it's silly to feel like it's overpriced if it isn't your cup of team, but the people browbeating Kelby trying to make him feel like a bad person for it really grind my gears.
Carrilord has arrived.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 18 2013 22:14 GMT
#3859
On November 19 2013 07:04 Slusher wrote:
I have no interest in it, and I don't think it's silly to feel like it's overpriced if it isn't your cup of team, but the people browbeating Kelby trying to make him feel like a bad person for it really grind my gears.

I giggled

Honestly though, I cant see why people are trying to attack CLG for being money-grubbing. God forbid they offer an awesome time that's completely optional, but doesn't take away from the fact they don't really gain any money from this. I don't even like anyone that's not Doublelift on that team, and even I can see it's kinda awesome. Sheesh.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 18 2013 22:17 GMT
#3860
On November 19 2013 07:14 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 07:04 Slusher wrote:
I have no interest in it, and I don't think it's silly to feel like it's overpriced if it isn't your cup of team, but the people browbeating Kelby trying to make him feel like a bad person for it really grind my gears.

I giggled

Honestly though, I cant see why people are trying to attack CLG for being money-grubbing. God forbid they offer an awesome time that's completely optional, but doesn't take away from the fact they don't really gain any money from this. I don't even like anyone that's not Doublelift on that team, and even I can see it's kinda awesome. Sheesh.

God forbid CLG to try and do an awesome PR move and make some money off of it. Please, those fantasy camps for retired pro sports players are by far wayyy more expensive.
liftlift > tsm
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