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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 18 2013 18:10 GMT
#3801
On November 19 2013 03:08 Vlanitak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 02:46 Zdrastochye wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:15 suicideyear wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:15 Don_Julio wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:06 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
EUW done?

It's Monday alright.

EUW being down is great watercooler talk. "So Jim... I hear EUW is down again..." "Yeah... how about that?"




So a Riot employee pulled the plug because he wanted to avoid awkward silence in the cafteria?

the richie incognito of riot games


Social awkwardness killing esports.

I'd love to have ranked team meetings at a strip club.

huh interesting idea


inb4 Dig loses all its money to strippers
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 18 2013 18:22 GMT
#3802
On November 19 2013 03:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 03:08 Vlanitak wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:46 Zdrastochye wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:15 suicideyear wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:15 Don_Julio wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:06 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
EUW done?

It's Monday alright.

EUW being down is great watercooler talk. "So Jim... I hear EUW is down again..." "Yeah... how about that?"




So a Riot employee pulled the plug because he wanted to avoid awkward silence in the cafteria?

the richie incognito of riot games


Social awkwardness killing esports.

I'd love to have ranked team meetings at a strip club.

huh interesting idea


inb4 Dig loses all its money to strippers

What more could the lose? they already lost all their skills.
liftlift > tsm
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 18 2013 18:24 GMT
#3803
On November 19 2013 03:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 03:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 19 2013 03:08 Vlanitak wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:46 Zdrastochye wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:15 suicideyear wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:15 Don_Julio wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:06 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
EUW done?

It's Monday alright.

EUW being down is great watercooler talk. "So Jim... I hear EUW is down again..." "Yeah... how about that?"




So a Riot employee pulled the plug because he wanted to avoid awkward silence in the cafteria?

the richie incognito of riot games


Social awkwardness killing esports.

I'd love to have ranked team meetings at a strip club.

huh interesting idea


inb4 Dig loses all its money to strippers

What more could the lose? they already lost all their skills.

Oooooooooooooooooohh! Shots... FIRED
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 18:26:39
November 18 2013 18:26 GMT
#3804
On November 19 2013 03:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 03:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 19 2013 03:08 Vlanitak wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:46 Zdrastochye wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:15 suicideyear wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:15 Don_Julio wrote:
On November 19 2013 02:06 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
EUW done?

It's Monday alright.

EUW being down is great watercooler talk. "So Jim... I hear EUW is down again..." "Yeah... how about that?"




So a Riot employee pulled the plug because he wanted to avoid awkward silence in the cafteria?

the richie incognito of riot games


Social awkwardness killing esports.

I'd love to have ranked team meetings at a strip club.

huh interesting idea



inb4 Dig loses all its money to strippers

What more could the lose? they already lost all their skills.


But they gained a Vlanitak. That has to count for something.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 18 2013 18:27 GMT
#3805
Patoy tho... that's going to be a big loss for Dignitas
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
November 18 2013 18:38 GMT
#3806
Krepo going to do casting @ IEM.

+ Show Spoiler +
Still gonna see this happen: Krepo new LCS caster, Froggen splits up with EG (makes the superteam with nrated/tabzz/shookz/kev1n/dexter/Mrrazzel)

EG picks up Ocelote.. and new support.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 18 2013 18:48 GMT
#3807
So, I think Lucian is going to lose some popularity in pro play soon (or would have even if the S4 changes weren't about to bulldoze the meta anyways). Not that he isn't strong, but at nearly 100% Pick/Ban status I think Lucian teams seem to be allowing more comebacks than any other AD Carry.

He still seems excellent as a choice for poke comps (although Cait is also very strong there), and in Double AD fastpush comps, perhaps also could fit into a comp with more late-game oriented solo lanes. However, his lane-bullying is minimized for pro play, and The Culling seems to either do no damage or miss completely after 15, 20 minutes. He doesn't seem to be filling the Corki position that so many teams seem to want him to, definately need to know him if you are a pro AD, but he is not a pick that you can shoehorn into every comp like teams seem to be doing.
Freeeeeeedom
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 18:58:22
November 18 2013 18:58 GMT
#3808
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1qwt0d/clg_camp_the_ultimate_fan_experience/

neo where you at? this is your moment.
TranslatorBaa!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 18 2013 19:06 GMT
#3809
On November 19 2013 03:58 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1qwt0d/clg_camp_the_ultimate_fan_experience/

neo where you at? this is your moment.

Brb borrowing 1k from loan sharks
liftlift > tsm
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 18 2013 19:10 GMT
#3810
On November 19 2013 03:58 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1qwt0d/clg_camp_the_ultimate_fan_experience/

neo where you at? this is your moment.

Do they really need money that badly?
.....will people actually do this?
The above is probably a stupid question.
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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 19:23:05
November 18 2013 19:22 GMT
#3811
On November 18 2013 23:13 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 22:46 Clinic wrote:
on a scale of zed to evelynn how hard is shyvana going to get nerfed, when is it going to happen, and will riven get similar treatment

and why is renekton still untouched


If it isn't obvious to Riot that Riven and Renekton are bullshit, the odds of Shy getting a nerf is SLIM.

But seriously, without the QQ, some kits are stupid strong by nature. Riv and Renek are just strong by nature and hard to balance while Shy... well... it seems like Shy is meta dependent because this is the first we've seen from her in a while.


I know that Phreak had mentioned this once or twice before during his streams, but champions with no energy/MP requirement for their skills are always hard to balance because certain items exist in the game (CDR) that make the "first reaction nerfs" of longer CDs sort of negated. And altering the damage the skills do runs the risk of over-nerfing them to being unplayable.

To me, the reason why Riven picked up in popularity again was partly due to Faker taking her mid vs. Zed and the uneducated masses going "omg Faker's a god," people remembering that she's a high mobility bruiser with a scaling AD shield and a decent AoE ult for team fights, and team comps shifting away from the pick/assassin meta to more of a teamfight comp, which is where most bruiser champs (ie., Rene, Nasus, Shyv) shine.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
November 18 2013 19:30 GMT
#3812
let's be real riven is pretty much an assassin along with being a bruiser
TranslatorBaa!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 18 2013 19:31 GMT
#3813
with every ability being AoE with no diminishing returns.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 18 2013 19:33 GMT
#3814
shes not an assassin because her mobility it too poor
i mean its not bad but it takes too long to pull it all over to count
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 18 2013 19:36 GMT
#3815
On November 19 2013 03:48 cLutZ wrote:
So, I think Lucian is going to lose some popularity in pro play soon (or would have even if the S4 changes weren't about to bulldoze the meta anyways). Not that he isn't strong, but at nearly 100% Pick/Ban status I think Lucian teams seem to be allowing more comebacks than any other AD Carry.

He still seems excellent as a choice for poke comps (although Cait is also very strong there), and in Double AD fastpush comps, perhaps also could fit into a comp with more late-game oriented solo lanes. However, his lane-bullying is minimized for pro play, and The Culling seems to either do no damage or miss completely after 15, 20 minutes. He doesn't seem to be filling the Corki position that so many teams seem to want him to, definately need to know him if you are a pro AD, but he is not a pick that you can shoehorn into every comp like teams seem to be doing.

Lot of pro players are really bad at Lucian, they're just playing him because he's supposed to be good. They do alright because of their natural mechanics, but they play the character wrong and it's pretty silly to watch sometimes.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 18 2013 19:36 GMT
#3816
On November 19 2013 04:33 Slayer91 wrote:
shes not an assassin because her mobility it too poor
i mean its not bad but it takes too long to pull it all over to count


*cough*

ಠ_ಠ

what
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
November 18 2013 19:38 GMT
#3817
On November 19 2013 04:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 04:33 Slayer91 wrote:
shes not an assassin because her mobility it too poor
i mean its not bad but it takes too long to pull it all over to count


*cough*

ಠ_ಠ

what

A lot of assassins have immediate blinks or near instant gap close that does damage when it gets to the target.

Riven is what Riot likes to consider a "light fighter." A hybrid of assassin and bruiser.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 18 2013 19:54 GMT
#3818
She can't reach you from 700 range like Talon or 900 like Kha'Zix, she "only" has 325 + 260 = 585 range on a EQ to get in stun range (she'll waste one passive stack if she ulted first, but she doesn't need any to 100-0 squishies, mindless RWQQQR is enough for most of the game as soon as she has half an item's worth of AD).

She's still faster bootless than a good chunk of champions with t2 boots just by spamming Q and E on cooldown.
Remember when Talon's problem was that "he deals too much AoE damage"? Even taking his max rank E into account and ignoring her ult's bonus, Riven has more AoE damage/ratio with her skills than Talon's single target damage (although his Q's total AD ratio means that he pulls ahead... till you add her ult bonus).

Note how I said "skills", not "kit". Now add the passive.
Also AD scaling shield.
Also AD steroid on her passive working with lifesteal.
Also 2 AoE hard cc.
And she doesn't need vision for any of her skills.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 18 2013 19:55 GMT
#3819
On November 19 2013 04:36 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 03:48 cLutZ wrote:
So, I think Lucian is going to lose some popularity in pro play soon (or would have even if the S4 changes weren't about to bulldoze the meta anyways). Not that he isn't strong, but at nearly 100% Pick/Ban status I think Lucian teams seem to be allowing more comebacks than any other AD Carry.

He still seems excellent as a choice for poke comps (although Cait is also very strong there), and in Double AD fastpush comps, perhaps also could fit into a comp with more late-game oriented solo lanes. However, his lane-bullying is minimized for pro play, and The Culling seems to either do no damage or miss completely after 15, 20 minutes. He doesn't seem to be filling the Corki position that so many teams seem to want him to, definately need to know him if you are a pro AD, but he is not a pick that you can shoehorn into every comp like teams seem to be doing.

Lot of pro players are really bad at Lucian, they're just playing him because he's supposed to be good. They do alright because of their natural mechanics, but they play the character wrong and it's pretty silly to watch sometimes.


Not knowing how Lucian should be played, how would that be?
Freeeeeeedom
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 18 2013 19:57 GMT
#3820
On November 19 2013 04:54 Alaric wrote:
She can't reach you from 700 range like Talon or 900 like Kha'Zix, she "only" has 325 + 260 = 585 range on a EQ to get in stun range (she'll waste one passive stack if she ulted first, but she doesn't need any to 100-0 squishies, mindless RWQQQR is enough for most of the game as soon as she has half an item's worth of AD).

She's still faster bootless than a good chunk of champions with t2 boots just by spamming Q and E on cooldown.
Remember when Talon's problem was that "he deals too much AoE damage"? Even taking his max rank E into account and ignoring her ult's bonus, Riven has more AoE damage/ratio with her skills than Talon's single target damage (although his Q's total AD ratio means that he pulls ahead... till you add her ult bonus).

Note how I said "skills", not "kit". Now add the passive.
Also AD scaling shield.
Also AD steroid on her passive working with lifesteal.
Also 2 AoE hard cc.
And she doesn't need vision for any of her skills.


Also no mana
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