EPTTL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 131
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: Tomorrow we lynch Koshi + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 23:43 Koshi wrote: supersoft Do you really want to be Mayor? Your first post: Your second post is you trying to stir up Yamato/VE who were at that point the most active posters in the thread that also wanted to be Mayor. The same second that you posted this you should have known that they would be mad. Why did you post this? Oats said that you search for confrontation and are able to read people after that? But to me this looks like plain old shitting up the thread for no reason at all. ... You enter the thread claiming that you need to be elected. But instead of gathering support you are shitting up the thread and annoying the living shit out of VE and Yamato. Why? If you want to be elected, wouldn't it be better to play nice with these 2? Btw, what is your read on VE and Yamato atm? I don't like this first attack at all. Koshi implies that SS is scum for shitting up the thread and insulting other players but this is just standard SS play. I don't think even Koshi understands why he is calling SS scum. He decides that SS is not really trying to get elected, and that he is scum because of that, but there is probably more motivation for scum players to want to appear pro-town early and become mayor. This contradiction is a big deal to me. The first line should imply that he is in favor of BC's post, yet he ends up disagreeing with all of his points. It's inconsistent and I think he is just making up his reads out of thin air. I mentioned this earlier, I don't like the phrasing in this post. He seems afraid to outright accuse Supersoft, but he still wants to cast suspicion on to him. Once again I think Koshi is playing scared. Earlier he said that he might be ok with lynching Rayn, and then as soon as Rayn accused him, he started giving him townie points for absolutely no reason. He also rushes in to Rayn's filter and searches his own name and tries to use that as a point against Rayn. After that exchange insists several times that Rayn has to be scum for having a weak case, which isn't terrible reasoning. I don't like how much he uses the fact the people aren't listening to him to point towards him being scum. That is terrible reasoning. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 00:39 Koshi wrote: Rayn Let's start with the 6 names rayn just gave us as his scumreads. Holyflare : rayn made a case on Holyflare nobody understands or nobody supported. But for some reason rayn believed that people supported his case when he was discussing with me earlier. This so so strange because rayn hates it when people don't listen and follow his cases. rayn is scum and doesn't give 2 shits about his case. Koshi : Started with townread on me, gave me scumread after I made a case on ss and dropped it. However, rayn doesn't know that he is giving me a scumread for that himself it seems as I asked him about why I am scum earlier and he couldn't reply. It is very strange for rayn to not let the thread know why somebody is scum. Especially when he would think and be able to prove I am scum because he can point out why I am scum pretty easily. (PS: I am not playing afraid, hesitant or restricted this game. Does somebody believe that? Maybe you should ask proof from rayn) (PSII: rayn saying I am scum while I am town makes me bitter) Sharrant: rayn has had a scumread on Sharrant since Sharrant made the conclusion rayn is scum while it should have been town. Pretty sure that is the same reason why rayn thinks Holyflare is scum. It's just weak, and silly. But could come from town rayn this one. But it's just silly that nobody knows why Sharrant is a scumread from rayn unless you read that 1 post about him. supersoft: For the same reason I think supersoft is scum (disruptive townplay). So yay for us. I still got a scumread after I made my case on ss though. Pandain/Grack: Both these names shouldn't be on rayn his list. rayn is confident in reading Pandain so he should be sitting on null till Pandain posts. Grack is scum because he is useless? town rayn ignores useless people if he has 4 scumreads in which he strongly believes. _________ What I want to point out to everybody that scum rayn is still a very active player, it will always look like he is figuring out the game, scum rayn does this because he needs to come in and be able to take control when it is needed. So while it looks like he is atm playing the game and figuring out alignments I want to show you that he isn't. The people that played with a town rayn before know that when rayn is figuring somebody out and starts to have a very strong scumread on this player he makes sure everybody in the thread knows about this. He will repeat constantly why somebody is scum and will try to convince people that he is right in every way possible. therefore, it is really important that you guys note down that rayn hasn't tried to convince any of the possible Mayors why he is town and or push his reads upon them. The 1 towngame rayn played like this would be Aperture but I do not believe this is a repeat of that. Lynch rayn. I am certain that he is the best bet for scum. When he writes a case on Rayn his reasoning falls short. -Who cares if people ignore his case. That doesn't make him scum. I also don't see him not caring that people disagree with his case. -He says I am afraid. lol you are afraid. -He thinks Sharrant is scum. But he could do this as town. -He has the same SS read as me. -He says he is good at reading Pandain and that Pandain is scum. he should wait longer. (?) -Town Rayn ignores useless players - (I don't know if this is true and I don't actually remember Rayn spending too much time pushing me.) Town Koshi is try hard. Koshi's filter this game is completely devoid of reasoning; he makes up scum reads as he goes along through the thread. He's given no reasoning why VA is scum. He's given no reasoning why Storrzerg is scum. He's given no reasoning why Yamato is scum. He's mentioned all of these people being scum several times throughout his filter before. Koshi isn't town. You need to do the same as pandain needs to do if you want my credence | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:32 Koshi wrote: Grack you are wrong. Ok. Explain your scum reads. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
You. Explain your bull. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
lol. there is absolutely no better case in this thread than mine. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:36 Grackaroni wrote: lol. there is absolutely no better case in this thread than mine. Yes there is. | ||
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
Blazinghand is tracker and claims tracker -Reveals he is tracker -Invites him to be roleblocked and cause the second most important blue role to be roleblocked -Invites a kill on him at night If it was last minute, alright. Even last hour maybe if Yamato was in the lead. However Yamato was ahead by one vote, in fact BH didn't read this but actually a minute before BH claimed VE was in the lead by one vote. This was also 6 hours before and there was really no certainty that Yamato was going to be mayor. Please address this BH if you want. Conclusion if town: Poor play, town but didn't think it through BH is town, not tracker, claims tracker -Manages to get Yamato/others off his ass -Gets town cred and is town(although it's misleading town cred) -Has to justify it later but w/e king of shenanies. -Invites mafia roleblocks/kills on a non-important role. However this is poor play because it invites the real tracker to then claim in thread which would be absolutely awful because then mafia would know that is the true tracker. Conclusion: Good claim but with terrible drawback that could lead to clusterfuck Because of this, it is undeniable poor play and a bad claim. I would understand if BH made a mistake because it seems a BH thing to do. However the fact he still stands by his claim really makes him scum in my eyes because he's trying to justify poor play when it's objectively bad play. There are no good reasons. Blazinghand is thus mafia justifying a poor claim. I'm attributing this to him pulling a shennanie akin to the wrestling mafia game, and it's backfired. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Pretty sure I explained rayn scumread. The other ones are scum but not my main concern but sure: Yamato: Scum mayor but couldn't care enough to make it. VA: I feel like he is pushing an agenda. StorrZerg: I feel it in my gut. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:38 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure I explained rayn scumread. The other ones are scum but not my main concern but sure: Yamato: Scum mayor but couldn't care enough to make it. VA: I feel like he is pushing an agenda. StorrZerg: I feel it in my gut. Pretty sure you didn't. Also pretty sure you can't say my reasoning for reads is weak anymore. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:37 Pandain wrote: I remain curious about this.However this is poor play because it invites the real tracker to then claim in thread which would be absolutely awful because then mafia would know that is the true tracker. We don't know if there IS a tracker. If there is a tracker, we don't know how many. (1) Why does there have to be a tracker? (2) Why would some other tracker claim, given that setup is semi-open, and he doesn't know how many trackers there are? (3) IF there could only be one tracker, and BH claims tracker, why would the real tracker claim? Doesn't he believe now that BH is scum for fakeclaiming? Why does he reveal himself as a tracker when he COULD just call BH scum, get people to try and lynch BH (because let's be honest, BH hadn't done anything that really made him look super townie)? | ||
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: can you link to where he said that? Can't find it in my QT so maybe I'm confusing him with another person. Even if I was mafia though I wouldn't purposely spout lies. Still makes his play unacceptable with a meta slight confirmation in my favor when you compare his play with ## | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:37 Pandain wrote: Though this isn't the main point of my argument, I'll explain now in one post while it was bad. Blazinghand is tracker and claims tracker -Reveals he is tracker -Invites him to be roleblocked and cause the second most important blue role to be roleblocked -Invites a kill on him at night If it was last minute, alright. Even last hour maybe if Yamato was in the lead. However Yamato was ahead by one vote, in fact BH didn't read this but actually a minute before BH claimed VE was in the lead by one vote. This was also 6 hours before and there was really no certainty that Yamato was going to be mayor. Please address this BH if you want. Conclusion if town: Poor play, town but didn't think it through BH is town, not tracker, claims tracker -Manages to get Yamato/others off his ass -Gets town cred and is town(although it's misleading town cred) -Has to justify it later but w/e king of shenanies. -Invites mafia roleblocks/kills on a non-important role. However this is poor play because it invites the real tracker to then claim in thread which would be absolutely awful because then mafia would know that is the true tracker. Conclusion: Good claim but with terrible drawback that could lead to clusterfuck Because of this, it is undeniable poor play and a bad claim. I would understand if BH made a mistake because it seems a BH thing to do. However the fact he still stands by his claim really makes him scum in my eyes because he's trying to justify poor play when it's objectively bad play. There are no good reasons. Blazinghand is thus mafia justifying a poor claim. I'm attributing this to him pulling a shennanie akin to the wrestling mafia game, and it's backfired. I don't think you are accounting for pride. Anyway you still have the kushmasta mayor bs what wa that all about. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:00 austinmcc wrote: You get slight townpoints for half of your view of BC being in relation to his post on yourself? For whatever reason, I kind of like that you're focused on why he's attacking you and why you think he's wrong about you. In my head, you're trying to figure out why he's wrong about you. If you were scum, then he's correct, and maybe you fight his read and call him scum or whatever, but you KNOW he's right and so I don't think you can put quite as much emphasis on his read. Minor though. Minor points. The rest is...stuff I agree with but was also already in thread. Not a lot to do with it  k, well i know im town. As far as your read on OOHCHILD...I'd like to see more? You lay out some clear thoughts on him, but end up null leaning town. What, out of the things you identified, do you think is MOST important out of everything he's done? The early bits? His read post? His saying he was masoned with skan? Either most important as far as getting a read on OOHCHILD or most important as far as him contributing to the game as a whole. (i have null read on him, i wouldn't say im leaning town on him) I find reads more important, the fact that he has "super town reads" with lack of reason concerns me. His "mafia" list with "only question me if you think that i am mafia" just seems really freaken weird to me. His early play makes me think he is mafia, His latter play does seem changed. Because he does at least quote something and inserts a reason, i can't say its much of an upgrade from saying "X person is leaning town" The mason bit doesn't really mean much to me. He had no way of knowing VE would lynch skan, so he had no reason to defend skan harder, skan just fell in with "a town read" So i can't see him earning points off that either way right now. Also, he doesn't explain his reads. What's the one you LEAST agree with? If you had a toddler and he had a toddler, would you pit your kid against his kid in a kidfight to the death, where the strength of each toddler would be based on the correctness of your read on the person in question? ... which one are you sure he's wrong on and you feel different, sure enough you'd risk your real or hypothetical kid's life? My issue with this is, he just has red check or green check. If i had to i would put my green read on you vs his red read on you (but he changes it to Super town with out reason so i can't use this fight) So i will go to Yamato I would pit my leaning town read on yamato to his red read. My fake toddler would win hands down because yamato has been town. (Personally i find myself agreeing with yamatos thoughts and the direction he is pushing this night against VE mostly. I still like SS ) | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:38 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure I explained rayn scumread. The other ones are scum but not my main concern but sure: Yamato: Scum mayor but couldn't care enough to make it. VA: I feel like he is pushing an agenda. StorrZerg: I feel it in my gut. If you are right about VA, BH is almost certainly scum. Keep in mind. | ||
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:40 austinmcc wrote: I remain curious about this. We don't know if there IS a tracker. If there is a tracker, we don't know how many. (1) Why does there have to be a tracker? (2) Why would some other tracker claim, given that setup is semi-open, and he doesn't know how many trackers there are? (3) IF there could only be one tracker, and BH claims tracker, why would the real tracker claim? Doesn't he believe now that BH is scum for fakeclaiming? Why does he reveal himself as a tracker when he COULD just call BH scum, get people to try and lynch BH (because let's be honest, BH hadn't done anything that really made him look super townie)? 1.If you don't think there's a tracker when masons stack with other roles and there are 30 people...; I mean it's possible but very unlikely esp. since suicide bomber would invite roles like tracker existing 2. It's poor play but people do it all the time. See doctors counterclaiming doctors and roles counterclaiming roles. Hell I did it but it was okay because Mason is less important. If BH has your mindset, then it's even worse play as town because it doesn't really confirm him and yet better play as scum because no one will counter-claim. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:40 austinmcc wrote: I remain curious about this. We don't know if there IS a tracker. If there is a tracker, we don't know how many. (1) Why does there have to be a tracker? (2) Why would some other tracker claim, given that setup is semi-open, and he doesn't know how many trackers there are? (3) IF there could only be one tracker, and BH claims tracker, why would the real tracker claim? Doesn't he believe now that BH is scum for fakeclaiming? Why does he reveal himself as a tracker when he COULD just call BH scum, get people to try and lynch BH (because let's be honest, BH hadn't done anything that really made him look super townie)? Kudos. | ||
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On November 18 2013 08:40 Pandain wrote: Can't find it in my QT so maybe I'm confusing him with another person. Even if I was mafia though I wouldn't purposely spout lies. Still makes his play unacceptable with a meta slight confirmation in my favor when you compare his play with ## cooperative how. Maybe I'll switch to Vayne or Stutters. | ||
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