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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
November 17 2013 22:47 GMT
#2561
I am gonna slap down (link)a couple of scumreads before I get rolling

also if anyone has any ideas about who I should track tonight let me know

I agree with thrawn and VE re: grack's seriousness level. We should consider grack for a lynch tomorrow not because he is non-serious at times (link) but rather what he chooses to be non-serious about. As VE notes, (link) Grack spends a lot of time talking about kush and pushing for a kush mayorship (link) to the exclusion of discussing other things. After being called out on it, he moves to other topics, but ultimately his decision to engage people in a non-serious attitude lets him say things that he can just ignore/backtrack later (examples like support for my RNG lynch : (link) or voting yamato to push BC when yamato ends up wanting to lynch me, and not unvoting yamato despite that (link)). Ultimately what we see isn't just someone trolling, but someone strategically opting out of the discourse by taking up trolling positions, admitting they're trolling (link) (link), and leaving his vote (or his case) wherever it is convenient for him. The point he makes re: BC isn't inherently bad, but he implies that BC trying to look productive is actually scummier than Grack not trying to; and this is false. Grack can back away from any position he takes, and has, and ducks under the radar for it. This is what scum do. How much do you really know about Grack's positions? very little-- he seems to constantly change his mind about things, and never takes a serious stance. A good play for a scum player.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 17 2013 22:47 GMT
#2562
On November 18 2013 07:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.

In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay.

Well, that's kinda ironic.


irrelavent.

Are you planning on playing at any point or can we stop holding our breath?


I expected this. Don't attack the player, logical fallacy. Attack my arguement. I think mattchew is scum for being fake.

I wasn't attacking you in an attempt to weaken your initial argument. I was asking you a question regarding what we can expect of you in the coming days.


Well in the way you were posting it certainly suggested that. You just said that my post was ironic because i lurk. That was not an attempt to extract information regarding my activity later, it was simply a snide comment for either weakening my arguement or for the lulz. Either way, irrelevant and not helpful


Anyway, probably a lot more lurking.

The initial comment was a snide remark because I'm not a big fan of people using arguments that could be used just as well against them, as it showcases how little they care about the game. The following posts were actually about getting some information regarding your future activity.

Do you have any reads other than mattchew for us?
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 17 2013 22:47 GMT
#2563
On November 18 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 06:14 Grackaroni wrote:
Koshi, you mentioned Storrzerg a few times as scum and have not given any reasoning for your scum read.
On November 17 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote:
I could see Storrzerg being scum. I was not impressed when we talked earlier. But rayn lynch is better.

On November 17 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Koshi


I don't support your reads.

Skanj4b: nha
Pandain: nha just isn't playing
hiro protagonist: Did nothing at all so nha.
Grack: Disappeared. also nha. Not today.
Oatsmaster: where is the case? Why?

What is it that differentiates Storrzerg from other lurkers?

His first scumread was Mattchew but when I pressured him about he he didn't know what to say.

Koshi my gut did the same thing. Look at my pleas with the guy.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
November 17 2013 22:48 GMT
#2564
oh wow one of those links ended up in the wrong place, thanks a lot obama. here's the good version:

On November 18 2013 07:47 Blazinghand wrote:
I am gonna slap down a couple of scumreads before I get rolling

also if anyone has any ideas about who I should track tonight let me know

I agree with thrawn and VE re: grack's seriousness level. We should consider grack for a lynch tomorrow not because he is non-serious at times (link)(link) but rather what he chooses to be non-serious about. As VE notes, (link) Grack spends a lot of time talking about kush and pushing for a kush mayorship (link) to the exclusion of discussing other things. After being called out on it, he moves to other topics, but ultimately his decision to engage people in a non-serious attitude lets him say things that he can just ignore/backtrack later (examples like support for my RNG lynch : (link) or voting yamato to push BC when yamato ends up wanting to lynch me, and not unvoting yamato despite that (link)). Ultimately what we see isn't just someone trolling, but someone strategically opting out of the discourse by taking up trolling positions, admitting they're trolling (link) (link), and leaving his vote (or his case) wherever it is convenient for him. The point he makes re: BC isn't inherently bad, but he implies that BC trying to look productive is actually scummier than Grack not trying to; and this is false. Grack can back away from any position he takes, and has, and ducks under the radar for it. This is what scum do. How much do you really know about Grack's positions? very little-- he seems to constantly change his mind about things, and never takes a serious stance. A good play for a scum player.

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 17 2013 22:50 GMT
#2565
Kudos Yamato for thy skill.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
November 17 2013 22:50 GMT
#2566
On November 18 2013 07:44 StorrZerg wrote:
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On November 18 2013 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:00 StorrZerg wrote:
in short BH has only jumped on weak lynches, thown some town reads, changed his mind about myself with no real reason.


this would be a great reason to call me scum if I did any of these things, but I definitely haven't been active enough to do any of that. I've made like 3 posts this game



well want to be active now

Thoughts on yamato? BC?


Yamato's fixation on me strikes me more as angry yamato than scum yamato, but I wouldn't put it past scum yamato to at least pretend to be mad. BC isn't on my radar relative to grack, since grack is trying to stay off the radar. I'll check out BC if I can before night end. Got any ideas for a track?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
November 17 2013 22:52 GMT
#2567
I guess when it comes down to it, I can see a town player just being uncommunicative and bad (even BC is capable of it), but intentionally obfuscating your seriousness like grack is almost certainly and indication of scum play. If BC wakes up dead tomorrow that's fine by me, but I'd shoot grack over BC
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 17 2013 22:53 GMT
#2568
On November 18 2013 07:28 austinmcc wrote:
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On November 18 2013 07:26 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 17 2013 23:12 Spaghetticus wrote:
I want him dead.

That lynch confirmed that I was right to not want him mayor at the very least. I'm struggling to see how he could possibly be town, though I'm willing to admit that there may be some meta thang the rest of you have access to, like in the case of BH.

Then you should be suspicious of Austinmcc- I helped him put SuperSoft up and he switched to VE on me.
Read my posts around that time, slam. You're misconstruing what I wanted to do.

I wanted VE > Supersoft > yamato.

I voted super instead of myself to push him up to even with yamato (it was 9-8-7 VE/Yam/Super iirc). So it hit 9-8-8 iirc, with yamato still being pardoner.

Then you voted ss, which made it 9-8-9, and i was safe to hop onto VE, the guy I ultimately wanted to win. I did not want someone to pop in and knock ss over VE and into mayor.

This makes perfect sense, and being there I would know that. But if spaghetticus sees VE as scum, it implicates you or he is not thinking clearly.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 17 2013 22:53 GMT
#2569
On November 18 2013 07:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.

In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay.

Well, that's kinda ironic.


irrelavent.

Are you planning on playing at any point or can we stop holding our breath?


I expected this. Don't attack the player, logical fallacy. Attack my arguement. I think mattchew is scum for being fake.

I wasn't attacking you in an attempt to weaken your initial argument. I was asking you a question regarding what we can expect of you in the coming days.


Well in the way you were posting it certainly suggested that. You just said that my post was ironic because i lurk. That was not an attempt to extract information regarding my activity later, it was simply a snide comment for either weakening my arguement or for the lulz. Either way, irrelevant and not helpful


Anyway, probably a lot more lurking.

The initial comment was a snide remark because I'm not a big fan of people using arguments that could be used just as well against them, as it showcases how little they care about the game. The following posts were actually about getting some information regarding your future activity.

Do you have any reads other than mattchew for us?


Your failure to make a remark on mattchew is what i fknd interestingm I bring up mattchew as possiblescum, we bounce ideas if you are town that cares. Going 'you arent active either' isnt helping anyone because im active RIGHT NOW and want to talk about it.

other reads? In due time. maybe
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 17 2013 22:54 GMT
#2570
Blazinghand playing the game! woo!
I like your read on Grack.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 17 2013 22:55 GMT
#2571
On November 18 2013 07:47 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:
On November 18 2013 06:14 Grackaroni wrote:
Koshi, you mentioned Storrzerg a few times as scum and have not given any reasoning for your scum read.
On November 17 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote:
I could see Storrzerg being scum. I was not impressed when we talked earlier. But rayn lynch is better.

On November 17 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Koshi


I don't support your reads.

Skanj4b: nha
Pandain: nha just isn't playing
hiro protagonist: Did nothing at all so nha.
Grack: Disappeared. also nha. Not today.
Oatsmaster: where is the case? Why?

What is it that differentiates Storrzerg from other lurkers?

His first scumread was Mattchew but when I pressured him about he he didn't know what to say.

Koshi my gut did the same thing. Look at my pleas with the guy.

Point me towards it pl0x
I had a good night of sleep.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
November 17 2013 22:56 GMT
#2572
On November 18 2013 07:00 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 06:23 austinmcc wrote:
On November 18 2013 06:16 StorrZerg wrote:
engage me with something to chat about austin plox
Talk to me about...BC and OOHCHILD. ALL CAPITAL LETTERS.

Because you are poking here, I will go first.


I don't like the way BC looks. I see very little effort from him D1, apart from making a good post on you and grack, but a post I think both alignments of BC could/should have made. Otherwise, he really comments on little, apart from wanting VE/SS in vests, and his reads are ... 2 that he has been going on about for a while, and poking Hiro and BH. How do you feel about him as a whole? What's the most important thing he's done after calling you and grack out?

I will not say anything about OOHCHILD, and instead YOU will talk about him. Yessssssss.



I also pointed out that i believed one of his attacks are policy(grack) and that either alignment could have made them, and it felt like he was not actually looking for scum.

The case on myself was about a difference of opinion. From our convo, i would think its pretty clear both of us cannot be scum. I could possibly see it as a case that town bc would make, but i find it an easy case for mafia BC to make since he all ready made his case on grack which was policy. Overall it feels like a super weak start to the infamous BC.

Show nested quote +
Also storr never did anything substantial on his return to sway my belief of his alignment. He didn't provide any big new pieces of information. He didn't really do anything except defend himself. Fact of the matter is he looks worse than he did before. He and grack are still my two top reads for scum. That hasn't changed and neither has done anything to change that belief.


This is another post where he attacks, yet no content is provided. What happened to make me look worse? How could i look even worse when i was "scum" earlier. I see bc tunneling on 2 people and throwing out some town reads.
He does try and help town to vote for VE and SS which i can agree with so he earns points for that.
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 17 2013 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
read time

Grackeroni

I have already harped on this guy. nothing has changed, at all. He hasn't posted anything groundbreaking, he hasn't attempted to really help the town in any way. Given that he has shown no compulsion to help even after being called out, I see no reason to think hes town.

Storrzerg
My read here has altered slightly in that I still think hes red, but he could end up being town. I am moving him to a null read given that if he keeps posting like he has been I am willing to say my initial read was wrong

Hiro
He has 0 content to his posts, insanely inactive, and i know hes capable of doing more than he is. Its possible hes just busy, but ive seen the guy lurk as red before and skate by on minimum posting standards as such I am keeping him to red until he proves otherwise

Blazinghand

The guy is fucking retarded. He is inactive for 24 hours, busts out with a shitty campaign post spouting horseshit, says hes gonna catch up and post then proceeds to have spotty play. He doesn't post any reads, he still defends bad play, he even then when called on it and sees his name up for a possible lynch claims tracker with the worst possible bread crumb in the world. He has done nothing useful whatsoever. I expect far more out of him than what he has given.


I do think at this point barring weird fucking circumstances i can confidently say

Supersoft, VE are town, yamato and artanis i have strong leanings on being town.


Now i finally see some BC that has started to change. He has changed his view on myself, yet i don't see why. I'm not sure what changed, cause he goes from storr scum for "newby card + rng" then "even more scum for recent post, no idea what this post is or posts" , and then to null because ????

Can't read much into his grack opinion, other than town bc would jump on grack and so would scum

Hiro has to fall in the same spot with grack. AKA BC just jumping on a lurk. (Hiro ends up replaced i think)

BH, this maybe better in terms of looking for scum. Yet it still feels like an easy jump that is less based on BH being mafia and more BH being trolly

Overall i don't see much from BH int terms of scum hunting and his change in view seems to lack reason. Maybe im expecting to much of him, but im leaning Scum on BH.

in short BH has only jumped on weak lynches, thown some town reads, changed his mind about myself with no real reason.



I love the fact people are predictable.

First off. Day 1. I tunneled 1 person for the entirety of the day. hell I still think grack is scum. However my reasons behind changing my view should be apparent to anyone with a fucking brain. You pulled your head more or less out of your ass and began not being a fully stinking pile of shit. Im sorry I didnt tell you that my read changed because you were doing better, I was unaware I was supposed to pamper you and tell you that you're a big boy.

Seriously, though, I love seeing you perform. You have managed to really do a good job making me think you are just a massive retard though.

Do you agree with my read on grack? Does he look terrible? Has he done anything that is in any shape or form a solid contribution? IMO he hasn't thus scum. You say its something a town or scum me would do so null point. You then say I helped town try and organize its leaders, you then get mad I opt to single out two players as scum reads. One for very obvious reasons (BH) and Hiro. Ive played many games with him, it fit his meta. Why wouldn't I think he was scum til proven otherwise. I also take huge offense to someone who hasn't done any scum hunting in this game attacking me for actually doing it. Did I do what you expected? who fucking cares. I have done what I could in the time I had and picked out people who stood out to me. The fact you have "mattchew" in your mafia circle and have had to be goaded by another player into giving any opinions of your own out is fucking terrible. For a days worth of contributions you apparently think im scum, mattchew is scum and austin is town.

So not only did I have more scum reads than you, I also had more town reads. I know you are capable of more than this, and the fact you are attempting to pull this shit is infuriating. Oh wait, you also have actively attempted to divert anything that could potentially save my life in the off chance there is a suicide bomber in this game. Rather than fear mongering how about you drop a real case on me. If you want to call me scum, actually do it. Don't beat around the bush, actually follow through.

If I wasn't so damn sure now that your just a retard Id call you scum again. However I don't even think a scumteam would let a member of theirs post a pile of crap like this.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 17 2013 22:59 GMT
#2573
On November 18 2013 07:43 austinmcc wrote:
Can you point out where? I know you spoke with him later, but I thought that was about his VE case/post, I saw something on that, but I didn't see anything about that initial post spaghetticus made.

Well it is in my filter on page

Wait

Wtf

...yeah I forgot
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 17 2013 23:00 GMT
#2574
On November 18 2013 07:46 StorrZerg wrote:
@austinmcc thoughts?

don't think you responded, i know i took a while :/

You get slight townpoints for half of your view of BC being in relation to his post on yourself? For whatever reason, I kind of like that you're focused on why he's attacking you and why you think he's wrong about you. In my head, you're trying to figure out why he's wrong about you. If you were scum, then he's correct, and maybe you fight his read and call him scum or whatever, but you KNOW he's right and so I don't think you can put quite as much emphasis on his read. Minor though. Minor points.

The rest is...stuff I agree with but was also already in thread. Not a lot to do with it


As far as your read on OOHCHILD...I'd like to see more? You lay out some clear thoughts on him, but end up null leaning town. What, out of the things you identified, do you think is MOST important out of everything he's done? The early bits? His read post? His saying he was masoned with skan? Either most important as far as getting a read on OOHCHILD or most important as far as him contributing to the game as a whole.

Also, he doesn't explain his reads. What's the one you LEAST agree with? If you had a toddler and he had a toddler, would you pit your kid against his kid in a kidfight to the death, where the strength of each toddler would be based on the correctness of your read on the person in question? ... which one are you sure he's wrong on and you feel different, sure enough you'd risk your real or hypothetical kid's life?
Fe fi fo fum.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 17 2013 23:02 GMT
#2575
On November 18 2013 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 05:34 austinmcc wrote:
On November 18 2013 05:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
What do you make of Alakaslam?
Ugh. I THINK I read him town. I look through, I see trolling, I see ... posts. Some letters and stuff. I pull out things like this:

On November 16 2013 18:42 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:24 Spaghetticus wrote:
If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it?

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.

On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.

LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.

Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.

Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?

Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?

I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.

Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.

Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.

Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.

Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.

Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town.


Probably a length issue, I appreciate the spoiler. I will come back to this
Nobody responded to spaghetticus's early big post, alakaslam responds to the followup, saying he'll get to it, never does. Often saying you'll do stuff and then not is scummy, but I actually read this townie, because this post is NOTHING but interacting with someone who most people aren't, saying you'll read his thing, and then never actually following through. I don't see that as a scummy missed promise (I'm gonna do this, I will give my read on x, etc.), but more a townie thing, here's some dude that wants comments, I will give him some comments, oops, forgot.

There's a lot of trolling, but there are lots of little posts that show...he's thinking about stuff behind the trolling?

On November 17 2013 09:42 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:07 Grackaroni wrote:
I wish the mayors would just make it clear exactly who they will lynch. I doubt Yamato is still going to kill BH.

I would lynch Stutters695. It doesn't matter.
Nobody is really discussing stutters (who is super duper absent still ). Slam just claimed to want to run for mayor, gave an ACTUAL candidate, one nobody was talking about, but never pushed anything. He's noticing stutters, mentioning him, when who cares about stutters at this point. Seems like he's watching the game.

When I responded to his trolly "I'm lying, are you going to lynch me?" comment by trolling, he just posted laughter. Seemed lighthearted, no need to follow that up if he's mafia, or if he wants to follow up he can just post more trolly stuff. Instead, he acknowledges it and no more trolling on that subject.

I can't quite put my finger on much more, but I get a general ... aura of townieness from his posts. It's weak, and basically my read on him relies on the fact that he didn't do something minor that he said he would, which I've decided to read as townie.

We'll do a quick one, LoneMeow.


I actually did get to that. Didn't have much to say. I was in general agreement with him, with a few notes.

So my notes on this, since I never actually posted them, were that I felt SuperSoft did have "good points in his tirade however" (wth I don't remember what that was about) and that I otherwise agreed. I guess I will read it again and comment further.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 17 2013 23:02 GMT
#2576
On November 18 2013 07:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:43 austinmcc wrote:
Can you point out where? I know you spoke with him later, but I thought that was about his VE case/post, I saw something on that, but I didn't see anything about that initial post spaghetticus made.

Well it is in my filter on page

Wait

Wtf

...yeah I forgot
Tee hee.

This also feels townie?

It better not just be a ploy, or I shall be cross with you.
Fe fi fo fum.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 17 2013 23:04 GMT
#2577
On November 18 2013 07:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.

In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay.

Well, that's kinda ironic.


irrelavent.

Are you planning on playing at any point or can we stop holding our breath?


I expected this. Don't attack the player, logical fallacy. Attack my arguement. I think mattchew is scum for being fake.

I wasn't attacking you in an attempt to weaken your initial argument. I was asking you a question regarding what we can expect of you in the coming days.


Well in the way you were posting it certainly suggested that. You just said that my post was ironic because i lurk. That was not an attempt to extract information regarding my activity later, it was simply a snide comment for either weakening my arguement or for the lulz. Either way, irrelevant and not helpful


Anyway, probably a lot more lurking.

The initial comment was a snide remark because I'm not a big fan of people using arguments that could be used just as well against them, as it showcases how little they care about the game. The following posts were actually about getting some information regarding your future activity.

Do you have any reads other than mattchew for us?


Your failure to make a remark on mattchew is what i fknd interestingm I bring up mattchew as possiblescum, we bounce ideas if you are town that cares. Going 'you arent active either' isnt helping anyone because im active RIGHT NOW and want to talk about it.

other reads? In due time. maybe

Being frustrated with someone that isn't playing the game and that person making a case on someone else for not playing the game as one of his main arguments can cause someone that does play the game to react in a frustrated way rather than a constructive way.

As for Matt, I wouldn't be opposed to a Matt lynch. He doesn't justify any of his reads and doesn't bring anything new to the table, but it feels like a gamble.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 17 2013 23:05 GMT
#2578
On November 18 2013 07:47 Blazinghand wrote:
I am gonna slap down (link)a couple of scumreads before I get rolling

also if anyone has any ideas about who I should track tonight let me know

I agree with thrawn and VE re: grack's seriousness level. We should consider grack for a lynch tomorrow not because he is non-serious at times (link) but rather what he chooses to be non-serious about. As VE notes, (link) Grack spends a lot of time talking about kush and pushing for a kush mayorship (link) to the exclusion of discussing other things. After being called out on it, he moves to other topics, but ultimately his decision to engage people in a non-serious attitude lets him say things that he can just ignore/backtrack later (examples like support for my RNG lynch : (link) or voting yamato to push BC when yamato ends up wanting to lynch me, and not unvoting yamato despite that (link)). Ultimately what we see isn't just someone trolling, but someone strategically opting out of the discourse by taking up trolling positions, admitting they're trolling (link) (link), and leaving his vote (or his case) wherever it is convenient for him. The point he makes re: BC isn't inherently bad, but he implies that BC trying to look productive is actually scummier than Grack not trying to; and this is false. Grack can back away from any position he takes, and has, and ducks under the radar for it. This is what scum do. How much do you really know about Grack's positions? very little-- he seems to constantly change his mind about things, and never takes a serious stance. A good play for a scum player.

This is the articulation of my Grack read so far. Doesn't 100% confirm him as scum but it leans that way.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 17 2013 23:07 GMT
#2579
On November 18 2013 07:55 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:47 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 18 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:
On November 18 2013 06:14 Grackaroni wrote:
Koshi, you mentioned Storrzerg a few times as scum and have not given any reasoning for your scum read.
On November 17 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote:
I could see Storrzerg being scum. I was not impressed when we talked earlier. But rayn lynch is better.

On November 17 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Koshi


I don't support your reads.

Skanj4b: nha
Pandain: nha just isn't playing
hiro protagonist: Did nothing at all so nha.
Grack: Disappeared. also nha. Not today.
Oatsmaster: where is the case? Why?

What is it that differentiates Storrzerg from other lurkers?

His first scumread was Mattchew but when I pressured him about he he didn't know what to say.

Koshi my gut did the same thing. Look at my pleas with the guy.

Point me towards it pl0x

Roughly pages 3-4 of my filter, sprinkled between 2-5. But that is basically reading the whole thing.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 17 2013 23:08 GMT
#2580
Just over 50 minutes to get any night actions in.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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