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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 17 2013 22:34 GMT
#2541
On November 18 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.

In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay.

Well, that's kinda ironic.


irrelavent.

Are you planning on playing at any point or can we stop holding our breath?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 17 2013 22:34 GMT
#2542
On November 18 2013 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I'm actually quite sure Kosh is mafia.

Usually he has his own logic, but I fail to understand anything he's posting, and usually when he posts nonsensically, he's scum.

Yeah, because there are so many great examples of me being scum lying around. rofl.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 17 2013 22:34 GMT
#2543
On November 18 2013 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I'm actually quite sure Kosh is mafia.

Usually he has his own logic, but I fail to understand anything he's posting, and usually when he posts nonsensically, he's scum.

Now that's pretty bad comment yamato. Usually when Koshi is scum you have not been reading the thread very well..
In other words, you have been scum and hardcore lurking and trolling.
table for two on a tv tray
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 17 2013 22:35 GMT
#2544
Yamato how are you so obv town.

Get shot n1 plz.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 17 2013 22:35 GMT
#2545
hey so this is important, safe to say that both rayn and koshi have scum reads on me right?

answer with yes or no
I come in for the scraps
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
November 17 2013 22:36 GMT
#2546
On November 18 2013 07:00 StorrZerg wrote:
in short BH has only jumped on weak lynches, thown some town reads, changed his mind about myself with no real reason.


this would be a great reason to call me scum if I did any of these things, but I definitely haven't been active enough to do any of that. I've made like 3 posts this game
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 17 2013 22:36 GMT
#2547
I don't have a scumread on you.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 17 2013 22:36 GMT
#2548
On November 18 2013 07:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
hey so this is important, safe to say that both rayn and koshi have scum reads on me right?

answer with yes or no

Koshi is yes.
I had a good night of sleep.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 17 2013 22:36 GMT
#2549
On November 18 2013 07:32 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:16 Pandain wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:12 yamato77 wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato have you realized austin does not really have any scumreads?

who do you think is town and why?

I'm really lost. I can question almost all of my townreads and I hate games like this.


Lynch BH, then lynch Vayne.

Good follow-up so far.

Why do you like my follow up when I think the guy you voted for is scummy and I think Vayne is town?

Did you even read my posts?


I'm talking about me I like my own plan for tommorow and the day after.

I think you're wrong about SS and in fact know you're wrong after talking to him in Mason.

And whenever you think Vayne is town he's scum and whenever you think he's scum he's town. Vayne is playing too passive this game and while he does that as scum, he's also not really pushing anyone while previously his posts would help guide people. This time he's just giving reflectful commentary.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 17 2013 22:37 GMT
#2550
On November 18 2013 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.

In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay.

Well, that's kinda ironic.


irrelavent.

Are you planning on playing at any point or can we stop holding our breath?


I expected this. Don't attack the player, logical fallacy. Attack my arguement. I think mattchew is scum for being fake.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 17 2013 22:39 GMT
#2551
On November 18 2013 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:00 StorrZerg wrote:
in short BH has only jumped on weak lynches, thown some town reads, changed his mind about myself with no real reason.


this would be a great reason to call me scum if I did any of these things, but I definitely haven't been active enough to do any of that. I've made like 3 posts this game
i THINK this was supposed to be BC*

Not sure.
Fe fi fo fum.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
November 17 2013 22:40 GMT
#2552
On November 18 2013 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:00 StorrZerg wrote:
in short BH has only jumped on weak lynches, thown some town reads, changed his mind about myself with no real reason.


this would be a great reason to call me scum if I did any of these things, but I definitely haven't been active enough to do any of that. I've made like 3 posts this game


that should be BC not BH
EBWOP

my mistake, should be obvious mistake bh lol
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 17 2013 22:40 GMT
#2553
On November 18 2013 07:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.

In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay.

Well, that's kinda ironic.


irrelavent.

Are you planning on playing at any point or can we stop holding our breath?


I expected this. Don't attack the player, logical fallacy. Attack my arguement. I think mattchew is scum for being fake.

I wasn't attacking you in an attempt to weaken your initial argument. I was asking you a question regarding what we can expect of you in the coming days.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
November 17 2013 22:41 GMT
#2554
On November 18 2013 07:26 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 23:12 Spaghetticus wrote:
I want him dead.

That lynch confirmed that I was right to not want him mayor at the very least. I'm struggling to see how he could possibly be town, though I'm willing to admit that there may be some meta thang the rest of you have access to, like in the case of BH.

Then you should be suspicious of Austinmcc- I helped him put SuperSoft up and he switched to VE on me.


That might be worth looking up for me later, but at the moment I'm flamboozled. That's one person that voted for the guy, I need to explain a total of nine. Short of the six scum, two assassins, and some random town fool voting him up, I can't really assume that anyone voting him is scum.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 17 2013 22:41 GMT
#2555
On November 18 2013 05:34 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 05:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
What do you make of Alakaslam?
Ugh. I THINK I read him town. I look through, I see trolling, I see ... posts. Some letters and stuff. I pull out things like this:

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 18:42 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:24 Spaghetticus wrote:
If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it?

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.

On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.

LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.

Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.

Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?

Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?

I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.

Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.

Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.

Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.

Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.

Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town.


Probably a length issue, I appreciate the spoiler. I will come back to this
Nobody responded to spaghetticus's early big post, alakaslam responds to the followup, saying he'll get to it, never does. Often saying you'll do stuff and then not is scummy, but I actually read this townie, because this post is NOTHING but interacting with someone who most people aren't, saying you'll read his thing, and then never actually following through. I don't see that as a scummy missed promise (I'm gonna do this, I will give my read on x, etc.), but more a townie thing, here's some dude that wants comments, I will give him some comments, oops, forgot.

There's a lot of trolling, but there are lots of little posts that show...he's thinking about stuff behind the trolling?

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 09:42 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:07 Grackaroni wrote:
I wish the mayors would just make it clear exactly who they will lynch. I doubt Yamato is still going to kill BH.

I would lynch Stutters695. It doesn't matter.
Nobody is really discussing stutters (who is super duper absent still ). Slam just claimed to want to run for mayor, gave an ACTUAL candidate, one nobody was talking about, but never pushed anything. He's noticing stutters, mentioning him, when who cares about stutters at this point. Seems like he's watching the game.

When I responded to his trolly "I'm lying, are you going to lynch me?" comment by trolling, he just posted laughter. Seemed lighthearted, no need to follow that up if he's mafia, or if he wants to follow up he can just post more trolly stuff. Instead, he acknowledges it and no more trolling on that subject.

I can't quite put my finger on much more, but I get a general ... aura of townieness from his posts. It's weak, and basically my read on him relies on the fact that he didn't do something minor that he said he would, which I've decided to read as townie.

We'll do a quick one, LoneMeow.


I actually did get to that. Didn't have much to say. I was in general agreement with him, with a few notes.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
November 17 2013 22:43 GMT
#2556
On November 18 2013 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:00 StorrZerg wrote:
in short BH has only jumped on weak lynches, thown some town reads, changed his mind about myself with no real reason.


this would be a great reason to call me scum if I did any of these things, but I definitely haven't been active enough to do any of that. I've made like 3 posts this game


bleh i put your name wayyy more that i thought ><


Now i finally see some BC that has started to change. He has changed his view on myself, yet i don't see why. I'm not sure what changed, cause he goes from storr scum for "newby card + rng" then "even more scum for recent post, no idea what this post is or posts" , and then to null because ????

Can't read much into his grack opinion, other than town bc would jump on grack and so would scum

Hiro has to fall in the same spot with grack. AKA BC just jumping on a lurk. (Hiro ends up replaced i think)

BH, this maybe better in terms of BC looking for scum. Yet it still feels like an easy jump that is less based on BH being mafia and more BH being trolly

Overall i don't see much from BC int terms of scum hunting and his change in view seems to lack reason. Maybe im expecting to much of him, but im leaning Scum on BH.

in short BC has only jumped on weak lynches, thown some town reads, changed his mind about myself with no real reason.


i think i fixed it
this being the latter part
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 17 2013 22:43 GMT
#2557
Can you point out where? I know you spoke with him later, but I thought that was about his VE case/post, I saw something on that, but I didn't see anything about that initial post spaghetticus made.
Fe fi fo fum.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 17 2013 22:44 GMT
#2558
On November 18 2013 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.

In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay.

Well, that's kinda ironic.


irrelavent.

Are you planning on playing at any point or can we stop holding our breath?


I expected this. Don't attack the player, logical fallacy. Attack my arguement. I think mattchew is scum for being fake.

I wasn't attacking you in an attempt to weaken your initial argument. I was asking you a question regarding what we can expect of you in the coming days.


Well in the way you were posting it certainly suggested that. You just said that my post was ironic because i lurk. That was not an attempt to extract information regarding my activity later, it was simply a snide comment for either weakening my arguement or for the lulz. Either way, irrelevant and not helpful


Anyway, probably a lot more lurking.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
November 17 2013 22:44 GMT
#2559
On November 18 2013 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:00 StorrZerg wrote:
in short BH has only jumped on weak lynches, thown some town reads, changed his mind about myself with no real reason.


this would be a great reason to call me scum if I did any of these things, but I definitely haven't been active enough to do any of that. I've made like 3 posts this game



well want to be active now

Thoughts on yamato? BC?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
November 17 2013 22:46 GMT
#2560
@austinmcc thoughts?

don't think you responded, i know i took a while :/
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
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