EPTOn November 06 2013 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well did he in your opinion try to hunt scum after unvoting you?
Well did he in your opinion try to hunt scum after unvoting you?
No not really, he kinda pushed hz later in the day. Brb
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Onegu
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No not really, he kinda pushed hz later in the day. Brb | ||
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Sylencia
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On November 06 2013 03:41 Cephiro wrote: Aiight. I skimmed through the new posts, but going to read them with a proper thought now. One idea that I thought of is what I wanted to share though. 10 / 3 9 / 3 8 / 2 7 / 2 6 / 1 5 / 1 4 / 0 3 / 0 2 / 0 Amount of Town / Amount of Blues elected. Basically, I'm thinking we should no-lynch today. That way we are able to have a 3-blue election again tomorrow, providing none of today's get sniped. It also leaves us one more town player for scum to target during the night, making them a little less likely to hit blues. This will basically give us a +1 blue per cycle until snipe or mislynch. At the moment I'm considering it as a fairly good option, but for today only. (We're certainly not no-lynching multiple times as it's our only way of killing scum.) With everyone seemingly all over the place, swinging from target to target, as much as I'd like to believe I can't see us lynching scum today. No-lynch is better than mislynch. 1) We get +1 blue nominated per cycle until snipe or mislynch 2) Scum has 1 more target to choose who to kill and/or try to snipe, making it a little more hard for them to decide. 3) We will have more information to get a proper, scum lynch on D2 to start it off with. These benefits are made under the assumption that we are mislynching today, which unfortunately looks extremely likely to happen in my eyes. Give these points a thought. At this stage, town isn't in the best shape. I honestly don't think that a no-lynch is really an option because we needed information. Getting an extra witchcraft vote is absolutely useless if we can't take full advantage of them, since the chance of striking gold with a DT check is fairly low, and even then you can't actually reveal that easily for there'll be a blue vig waiting to revenge kill you if you do reveal. His reasoning of town swinging around and having no-lynch being better than lynching someone is both a way to try stifle discussion by making everyone take the lazy route, and him also trying to take the lazy way out of not having to commit to voting seriously. One has to note that since this is majority lynch, mislynching is almost always going to leave some scum exposed when flipped, so it's a fair play to try stop that from happening since they stop information from coming out and they get a free NK. On November 06 2013 06:45 hzflank wrote: I already explained it. Sylencia posted a several paragraph's about Cephiro's take on WoS. The entire point of what Syl posted can only possibly of existed if Syl thought that Ceph was scum, because Syl thought that it was an intentional tunnel upon entry to the game (only scum do that). Therefore, in Syl's mind Ceph must of been scum. Syl never played as if he thought that Ceph was scum, therefore what Syl wrote about Ceph was fake. No, I wasn't certain what I had said was exactly right and so I posted it out there to get someone's (ideally Ceph's) thoughts on it. During that time I looked at other people since that's more productive than hoping for an answer. I get how it looks shady though. About the lynch, is it not possible that we can agree on targets > 15 minutes before deadline? The last minute votes and switching makes it kind of difficult to interpret many of the players' intentions since so many are "here is my vote so we don't no-lynch" which is atrocious honestly. Then comes the hammer vote: On November 06 2013 06:59 Cephiro wrote: ##unvote ##vote: gumshoe I swear this is gonna end up badly. What happened to his reasoning above? No where does he ever say "actually, bad plan guys, let's lynch." He just hammers, even though he can see the town death coming. From my perspective, he was in a pretty rocky situation anyways: - Doesn't vote: He'd cop a bunch of backlash from the players who were active at the time, and it'd make him look suspicious for not hammering. - Does vote: Still looks shady because he's mentioned the above and completely backtracks and hammers. That said, if he truly believed what he wrote above he would've stuck with it but I'm guessing he forgot he even mentioned the plan and just went with the flow. On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote: .... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority. Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest. Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning. 1st sentence: The point is you still did. 2nd sentence: LOL. Honestly I would've wanted to shoot him on the spot for that if I was a vig  Following town like that 'despite what you think' is more of a scum play than a town play in most cases. You co-operate because it's convenient for you to kill off a townie.Not to mention if you look at Ceph's filter and search for mentions of gumshoe, it sounds like he has a more townish feel for gumshoe, and yet he kills him off. That's ridiculous. Of course, we don't know what his read was because he specifically said that he wouldn't reveal anything unless we asked but it's a bit late for that now. Basically I don't see a townie writing this. My predictions for scum group are: {Ceph, ET, Sn0, hzflank} - pick 3. I haven't covered the last 2 that much, but PoE and whatnot. I'm more worried about hzflank just because almost every game if you avoid the D1 lynch you'll get a free ride for a few days, which could explain last minute train on gumshoe. Skimming sn0 shows he was one of the lazy voters for the lynch, and hasn't really pushed for anyone except OO, but never votes him or makes a solid case against him. At this point I'd say he's more likely to flip scum than hz, but I need to properly read his filter at some point. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 06 2013 19:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: So in your opinion WoS is town because he did not hammer your lynch through because you selfvoted, which you thought was the best option for town. Instead WoS did the opposite, which based on your posts is what scum would want to do (as you say this: "I would rather people see my flip and who voted me then a no lynch that gives scum a free shot and town zero info"). This is exactly what WoS did by your definition. So could you explain the logic behind giving townie points to him for that action? Objection! Leading the witness! It's pretty fucking obvious you're trying to get Onegu to try and see something that just isn't there dude, and he's resisting pretty heavily. I wonder why that is? Be back around lunch to give a will post just in case...ya know. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
I am not trying to make anyone have a "false" read on you or what the fuck are you trying to say here. I am trying to have a better read on Onegu, because what he says makes no sense to me. Does it make sense to you? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Why don't you have a glass of milk, calm down and try to read the thread again? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On November 07 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why don't you shut up already if you have no idea what i am doing. I am not trying to make anyone have a "false" read on you or what the fuck are you trying to say here. I am trying to have a better read on Onegu, because what he says makes no sense to me. Does it make sense to you? If you can't read Onegu based on what he's saying here, whether or not it makes sense to you then I don't know what to tell you. | ||
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Onegu
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Vanesco
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So for all who voted on hzflank, I would like to see why you thought that hzflank was your appropriate vote at the time. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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raynpelikoneet
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ok rayn I went thru your filter and it seems that the only actual reason behind voting for gumshoe is because you don't like what he said so far, and that was fairly early in the day And this is not true. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 06 2013 19:34 Onegu wrote: No not really, he kinda pushed hz later in the day. Brb And Onegu doesn't think this is suspicious? His read on WoS seems fake. | ||
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