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On November 07 2013 03:46 thrawn2112 wrote:What Onegu is saying about WoS doesn't make sense to me either. It makes sense in that I can follow the train of thought but it doesnt make sense in that it's a weird and weak justification that Onegu's using to change his read on WoS. And this line: Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 19:34 Onegu wrote:On November 06 2013 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well did he in your opinion try to hunt scum after unvoting you? No not really, he kinda pushed hz later in the day. Brb And Onegu doesn't think this is suspicious? His read on WoS seems fake.
But see that's it exactly.
So you can follow the train of thought, is the train of thought scummy?
It may not make a lot of sense, or be GOOD in any way, but it's pretty transparent and bad and that looks towny to me.
I have a HUGE reservation about what Rayn is insinuating with his questioning of Onegu but I think there may be bias on my part so I'm not going to say anything just yet.
I'll leave it to scum central to explain himself because he told me to shut up and let him do what he's doing---though i must say I haven't seen a whole lot of anything yet.
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On November 07 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 03:46 thrawn2112 wrote:What Onegu is saying about WoS doesn't make sense to me either. It makes sense in that I can follow the train of thought but it doesnt make sense in that it's a weird and weak justification that Onegu's using to change his read on WoS. And this line: On November 06 2013 19:34 Onegu wrote:On November 06 2013 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well did he in your opinion try to hunt scum after unvoting you? No not really, he kinda pushed hz later in the day. Brb And Onegu doesn't think this is suspicious? His read on WoS seems fake. But see that's it exactly. So you can follow the train of thought, is the train of thought scummy? It may not make a lot of sense, or be GOOD in any way, but it's pretty transparent and bad and that looks towny to me. I have a HUGE reservation about what Rayn is insinuating with his questioning of Onegu but I think there may be bias on my part so I'm not going to say anything just yet. I'll leave it to scum central to explain himself because he told me to shut up and let him do what he's doing---though i must say I haven't seen a whole lot of anything yet.
OK my guess is that you see this as scum rayn trying to coerce town onegu into thinking that WoS is mafia? To me it looks more like rayn is trying to figure out wtf onegu has a town read on you for such such strange reasons. Onegu said that after you (WoS) unvoted him, you didn't really scumhunt. But his opinion of you has gone from scummy to townie after the unvote? How does that makes sense? If town Onegu TRULY had a scumread on WoS, I don't think anything that WoS has done after and including the unvote would have made Onegu change his mind.
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On November 07 2013 03:59 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 07 2013 03:46 thrawn2112 wrote:What Onegu is saying about WoS doesn't make sense to me either. It makes sense in that I can follow the train of thought but it doesnt make sense in that it's a weird and weak justification that Onegu's using to change his read on WoS. And this line: On November 06 2013 19:34 Onegu wrote:On November 06 2013 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well did he in your opinion try to hunt scum after unvoting you? No not really, he kinda pushed hz later in the day. Brb And Onegu doesn't think this is suspicious? His read on WoS seems fake. But see that's it exactly. So you can follow the train of thought, is the train of thought scummy? It may not make a lot of sense, or be GOOD in any way, but it's pretty transparent and bad and that looks towny to me. I have a HUGE reservation about what Rayn is insinuating with his questioning of Onegu but I think there may be bias on my part so I'm not going to say anything just yet. I'll leave it to scum central to explain himself because he told me to shut up and let him do what he's doing---though i must say I haven't seen a whole lot of anything yet. OK my guess is that you see this as scum rayn trying to coerce town onegu into thinking that WoS is mafia? To me it looks more like rayn is trying to figure out wtf onegu has a town read on you for such such strange reasons. Onegu said that after you (WoS) unvoted him, you didn't really scumhunt. But his opinion of you has gone from scummy to townie after the unvote? How does that makes sense? If town Onegu TRULY had a scumread on WoS, I don't think anything that WoS has done after and including the unvote would have made Onegu change his mind.
Thrawn, it doesn't matter.
Think about the thought process of Onegu.
Completely self-centered and worried about who did what to prevent his own mislynch. This is a genuine town reaction to avoiding the noose imo. He said he felt better about me when I unvoted because all he cares about is the fact that I didn't want to mislynch him. terrible reason for a townread but genuine---it even overshadows the fact that I apparently voted for hzflank and didn't scumhunt for a few hours (which isn't scummy though Rayn is trying to make it seem as such---I will get to him again later on when I push him tomorrow). Who was it who had said Onegu's play is much better as scum?
Does this look like good play to you?
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Not sure if I'm going to be around for deadline or not so I'll toss out reads post now (even though I never die when I do this---hell maybe that's a better reason for doing it lol). I'll elaborate on those who i haven't talked about much if I have time:
Rayn - scummy scum scum. Lynch dis guy.
Onegu - towny town town. Needs to pick up his play though and actually help out.
OO - Super null. His activity picked up once again last night but I can honestly say I didn't read the discussion between him and thrawn because I was focused on rayn at the time. Becomes more obviously scum as the game goes on so not priority imo.
thrawn - too much 'in-sync-ness' with me to be scum imo. Not the strongest townerad in the world but town enough.
Umasi - could very well be scum. Keep on him.
Syl - I think it's either him or hzflank here because I'm pretty damn unsure about the both of them
hzflank - see above
Ceph - Again, massive effort like that would be really impressive scumplay. Possible I suppose, but EXTREMELY unlikely. his activity was odd around the time of lynch so keep watch. Force something more out of him on D2.
ET - Probs town.
Sn0 - if he doesn't do shit today, lynch him. My reason D1 for saving his ass grows weaker as the game progresses and he's skating the fuck by.
Vanesco - probs town
Think that's everyone. I say GL but I doubt I'm goin' anywhere. :D
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bleh whatever. idc.
honestly right now i'm a little pissed because I thought I was onto something with OO, but I guess he's making fake cases too and I'm supposed to give him a free pass on that?
so fucking annoying and such a waste of my time to argue with someone for an hour only to have them go "lolz I jk bro" I might just push his lynch out of spite until he can show that he's town because he did nothing but jerk me around for a few hours last night. he promises a comprehensive post about the D1 lynch, but instead he makes a series of small posts critiquing minor things about various people without being upfront and saying they're scum. after I pressure him to stop screwing around he acts like i'm the asshole, tells me to stfu an let him finish his work. at that point i'm pretty pissed, but ok, I try to keep things civil just in case he's town. then he goes on and writes a mega post that's just full of stupid, he lets me rage at him about it only to finally say that he was just fishing for reactions
/rant
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WoS if you haven't read the discussion between myself an OO you are definitely missing out
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On November 07 2013 04:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
WoS if you haven't read the discussion between myself an OO you are definitely missing out
I skimmed it, but I didn't get the same 'legit' fake-case feeling I got from gumshoe...do you sort of understand what I mean?
OO is in no way off the hook- hence the downgrade to null from me.
I expect you to help me with Rayn tomorrow...you promised.
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And the thing about 'fishing for reactions' is they SHOULD be done the way gumshoe did it honestly. Write up a case on someoe you suspect, even if it's bad, so long as there are things you believe in it, and see how your target and other people react to it, and how people critique things. Maybe your case will be made better, maybe worse. A completely fake case accomplishes absolutely nothing imo and I see it done so many times---I don't think I've ever seen one catch scum.
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Im around but I'm (as you can see) not posting much atm. This game is disheartening considering I'm somehow "scummy" and pointing out things that others do when I consider them scummy somehow is an excuse for OO to be an insulting asshole.
I dont know what the hell we are gonna do about cephiro, but he's playing much more town-aligned than last game (may have to do with him having a weird ass role last game). Lynching him doesn't seem smart atm.
ET seems pretty town not sure why people wish to lynch him.
Rayn is playing very different but afaik its different from anything he's done before as scum or town and I'm OK with his train of thought. Not his conclusions but he feels reasonably town too.
Umasi/Vanesco/HzFlank are all pretty null, i have no kinda "ins" to read these guys so far. Onegu kinda fits this category too, but I'd rather lynch him than the others I think.
Syl I don't like. Mostly because him and OO have hard-buddied. Not that I'd expect them to do that as scum, but they haven't even been a little bit suspicious of each other despite said buddying. Generally somebody attempting to buddy me makes me very suspicious (at least when I feel like I'm obvtown). Syl's scumgames often include real effort at the start with long, very "effort-y" posts put in at fairly regular intervals so I'm gonna keep my eye on him. Then again i've Mislynched Syl for dumb shit too. He's on the scum side of null, along with OO.
WoS is hard for me this game. Half the time he sounds like he's thinking the game and obvtown. Then the other half his posts just rub me the wrong way. I've played a fair few games with (always rolls town) WoS and something feels off, dunno. Don't think we lynch him soon either but I can't just give him the townread I've given others (ET/Thrawn etc).
Thats like everybody relevant I think.
I'm willing to discuss stuff with ppl but I'm currently 100% unwilling to interact with OO due to how he's played so far. My scumread on him hinges on his mindset towards the game: All he cares about is people's perception of him and that they see him as conftown. He doesn't actually care to play well, just to appear good. My unwillingness to interact with him is completely separate from that, though it probably clouds my vision somewhat.
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On November 07 2013 04:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Im around but I'm (as you can see) not posting much atm. This game is disheartening considering I'm somehow "scummy" and pointing out things that others do when I consider them scummy somehow is an excuse for OO to be an insulting asshole.
I dont know what the hell we are gonna do about cephiro, but he's playing much more town-aligned than last game (may have to do with him having a weird ass role last game). Lynching him doesn't seem smart atm.
ET seems pretty town not sure why people wish to lynch him.
Rayn is playing very different but afaik its different from anything he's done before as scum or town and I'm OK with his train of thought. Not his conclusions but he feels reasonably town too.
Umasi/Vanesco/HzFlank are all pretty null, i have no kinda "ins" to read these guys so far. Onegu kinda fits this category too, but I'd rather lynch him than the others I think.
Syl I don't like. Mostly because him and OO have hard-buddied. Not that I'd expect them to do that as scum, but they haven't even been a little bit suspicious of each other despite said buddying. Generally somebody attempting to buddy me makes me very suspicious (at least when I feel like I'm obvtown). Syl's scumgames often include real effort at the start with long, very "effort-y" posts put in at fairly regular intervals so I'm gonna keep my eye on him. Then again i've Mislynched Syl for dumb shit too. He's on the scum side of null, along with OO.
WoS is hard for me this game. Half the time he sounds like he's thinking the game and obvtown. Then the other half his posts just rub me the wrong way. I've played a fair few games with (always rolls town) WoS and something feels off, dunno. Don't think we lynch him soon either but I can't just give him the townread I've given others (ET/Thrawn etc).
Thats like everybody relevant I think.
I'm willing to discuss stuff with ppl but I'm currently 100% unwilling to interact with OO due to how he's played so far. My scumread on him hinges on his mindset towards the game: All he cares about is people's perception of him and that they see him as conftown. He doesn't actually care to play well, just to appear good. My unwillingness to interact with him is completely separate from that, though it probably clouds my vision somewhat.
So you didn't read anything I wrote about rayn?
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I've read every post in the thread.
I might not recall the exact details of most of them since theres a lot of dumb cases floating around on various people. Rayn's play seems fine to me.
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Maybe its just my personal preference but this style endears him to me much more than the way he used to play. So i'm giving him credit for that. Him hard-tunnelling onto somebody I consider town is nothing new.
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oh we're posting our reads way before the deadline? me next!
WoS is town and I don't feel the need to explain why.
hzflank is town and deserves a medal for displaying great courage and valor while under fire.
Vanesco is a townie dude, he really seems to care about his arguments and making people answer his questions.
Ceph... seems town. I can't sense any dishonesty coming from that guy. However, out of all my reads this is the one I'm the most apprehensive about.
Sn0 imo is pretty obviously town but I can understand why people think he's not. I don't think he'd appear as comfortable posting as he does if this were his first real scum game.
ET.. I would have called him town without hesitation at the end of D1 for being one of the few who were around at deadline and actually discussed things instead of dropping off their vote at the last minute. However I'm kinda pissed that he's gone silent since the lynch. He is mostly town in my mind but he needs to return in full force asap
rayn.. jesus idk... I think I change my mind about him more often than I do about any other player. WoS you will hate this, but ironically you are the one who makes me go from ":scum" to "who knows" on rayn for now, because of that comment you made about how I should already know that town rayn is kinda crazy. I'm gonna take a pass on this one and not even give you guys a read because it'd probably be a bs read and very likely to change very soon.
umasi, I must have a mental block on this guy because I can never remember anything he posts. I have him as town in my notes but I can't remember the feeling I got that made me write that, so I'm gonna call him null
OO is scum dandelion from BEMMII. I am going to park my vote on this guy for D2 until he decides to actually explain his reads instead of writing "fake" cases.
Syl scum? Maybe. Actually, probably. Mainly by process of elimination, but also because of the inordinate amount of sad faces he posts. I shoulda lynched him instead of gumshoe after changing my mind about hzflank.
Soooooo I only have 2 people picked for scum, which means that my reads are probably horribly fucked up.
OH FUCK I skipped Onegu, he must be 3rd scum. Case closed. (Actually I AM leaning scum on him right now for reasons I gave a few posts ago)
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On November 07 2013 05:01 thrawn2112 wrote:oh we're posting our reads way before the deadline? me next! WoS is town and I don't feel the need to explain why. hzflank is town and deserves a medal for displaying great courage and valor while under fire. Vanesco is a townie dude, he really seems to care about his arguments and making people answer his questions. Ceph... seems town. I can't sense any dishonesty coming from that guy. However, out of all my reads this is the one I'm the most apprehensive about. Sn0 imo is pretty obviously town but I can understand why people think he's not. I don't think he'd appear as comfortable posting as he does if this were his first real scum game. ET.. I would have called him town without hesitation at the end of D1 for being one of the few who were around at deadline and actually discussed things instead of dropping off their vote at the last minute. However I'm kinda pissed that he's gone silent since the lynch. He is mostly town in my mind but he needs to return in full force asap rayn.. jesus idk... I think I change my mind about him more often than I do about any other player. WoS you will hate this, but ironically you are the one who makes me go from ":scum" to "who knows" on rayn for now, because of that comment you made about how I should already know that town rayn is kinda crazy. I'm gonna take a pass on this one and not even give you guys a read because it'd probably be a bs read and very likely to change very soon. umasi, I must have a mental block on this guy because I can never remember anything he posts. I have him as town in my notes but I can't remember the feeling I got that made me write that, so I'm gonna call him null OO is scum dandelion from BEMMII. I am going to park my vote on this guy for D2 until he decides to actually explain his reads instead of writing "fake" cases. Syl scum? Maybe. Actually, probably. Mainly by process of elimination, but also because of the inordinate amount of sad faces he posts. I shoulda lynched him instead of gumshoe after changing my mind about hzflank. Soooooo I only have 2 people picked for scum, which means that my reads are probably horribly fucked up. OH FUCK I skipped Onegu, he must be 3rd scum. Case closed. (Actually I AM leaning scum on him right now for reasons I gave a few posts ago)
No thrawn, I didn't say town Rayn is kinda crazy, I said he tunnel potential is massive so it is NOT alignment indicative. Where did you get that I said he does it only as town?
Besides, Rayn has made conscious effort to change his meta recently so I am going based on his play this game (with an aside for VERY recent games), which I see as scummy.
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Also scum Dandel doesn't do anything. Literally.
OO is nothing like that.
And you still have Onegu as scum despite me arguing with you about him.
AND you're giving a Sn0 read based on him not having played a 'real' scumgame yet but the newbie in which he was scum should still count for SOMETHING. And even then Sn0 is not a newbie despite not being experienced scum so it is bewildering to me that you'd give him a townread simply based on that alone and ignoring his actual posting, which has contained mostly nothing. Playing scum isn't all that difficult and a player of Sn0's calibre would not have a difficult time playing it.
These reads man....we don't agree on nearly enough here.
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On November 07 2013 05:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
Did u read hogwarts WoS?
I tried. Too complicated with all the QTs and roles flying around from an outside perspective. What are you getting at?
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I know what you're saying. But one of the main reasons I was initially suspicious of rayn was because of what I perceived to be a crazy and insane fixation on ET. Once you reminded me that he can do that as town, which he has done to me, I could no longer think he's scum because of that tunnel. There have been times where I was sure of him being scum and times where I was sure of the opposite, which is why for now I am refusing to give my read on rayn until I come to a decision I'm more confident about.
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This feels like rayn from the end of that game to me. Or close enough that I'm giving him a pass for now. I always give rayn a hard look at mid-game, which is still the plan, but at the start like this I disagree that he looks scummy.
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