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HotCottonCandy
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada188 Posts
October 29 2013 18:04 GMT
#1381
New and unsure or fluctuating scum? tch
taste me
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 29 2013 18:05 GMT
#1382
On October 30 2013 03:01 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?

Yeah this is a point.

Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise?


Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game.

Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test.



I also forgot:

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

So why did you vote for Wave?


Because before Pandain came up again all I saw were two similar powers and I thought it weird to have a straight +1 power and an alternative +1/-1 power. Once Pandain came into the picture I realized my error, and if I'd remembered him sooner I'd have approached everything differently.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36156 Posts
October 29 2013 18:06 GMT
#1383
On October 30 2013 03:05 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:01 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?

Yeah this is a point.

Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise?


Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game.

Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test.



I also forgot:

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

So why did you vote for Wave?


Because before Pandain came up again all I saw were two similar powers and I thought it weird to have a straight +1 power and an alternative +1/-1 power. Once Pandain came into the picture I realized my error, and if I'd remembered him sooner I'd have approached everything differently.

How does Pandain's power change things in your eyes?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HotCottonCandy
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada188 Posts
October 29 2013 18:09 GMT
#1384
On October 30 2013 03:05 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:01 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?

Yeah this is a point.

Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise?


Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game.

Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test.



I also forgot:

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

So why did you vote for Wave?


Because before Pandain came up again all I saw were two similar powers and I thought it weird to have a straight +1 power and an alternative +1/-1 power. Once Pandain came into the picture I realized my error, and if I'd remembered him sooner I'd have approached everything differently.


could you give us something more concrete though? Ignoring the powers of WoS and Pandain what makes WoS scummier then pandain to you?
taste me
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 29 2013 18:09 GMT
#1385
On October 30 2013 03:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:05 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 03:01 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?

Yeah this is a point.

Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise?


Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game.

Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test.



I also forgot:

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

So why did you vote for Wave?


Because before Pandain came up again all I saw were two similar powers and I thought it weird to have a straight +1 power and an alternative +1/-1 power. Once Pandain came into the picture I realized my error, and if I'd remembered him sooner I'd have approached everything differently.

How does Pandain's power change things in your eyes?


It makes things symmetrical for one, but a big part of my original counter-claim was the notion that we wouldn't have multiple voting powers in the game. Once you add Pandain into the mix that idea is shattered.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43234 Posts
October 29 2013 18:10 GMT
#1386
If i correctly read what Seuss is saying it makes sense.
Seuss do you think one of Wave and Pandain is scum now?
table for two on a tv tray
HotCottonCandy
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada188 Posts
October 29 2013 18:13 GMT
#1387
steppin' out to lunch
taste me
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
October 29 2013 18:15 GMT
#1388
On October 30 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:59 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?

Yeah this is a point.

Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise?


Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game.

Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test.



I also forgot:

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

How did you forget about Pandain as he kinda claimed earlier already?


I wrote that off as a non-serious exchange and didn't think any more of it. I didn't think it made any sense for Pandain to randomly assert he had a power like that.

Fair enough. I actually thought Pandain was pressuring Koshi as he said his power was permanent and i find it hard to believe that's true.

I dont believe this from Seuss. Pandain said very clearly 4eva... How is that joking around when you have the same power... And if he noticed it, the symmetricalness would make instant sense when WoS said he could add.

Something is wrong with Seuss. The only excuse I accept is "I didnt read it" and it being Pandain claiming.
I had a good night of sleep.
OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
October 29 2013 18:15 GMT
#1389
Seuss looks pretty transparent and town with his recent explanations. Especially for second game scum. Going back to WoS I guess. I would rather lynch Sentinel or HotCottonCandy though.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43234 Posts
October 29 2013 18:16 GMT
#1390
On October 30 2013 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:59 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?

Yeah this is a point.

Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise?


Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game.

Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test.



I also forgot:

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

How did you forget about Pandain as he kinda claimed earlier already?


I wrote that off as a non-serious exchange and didn't think any more of it. I didn't think it made any sense for Pandain to randomly assert he had a power like that.

Fair enough. I actually thought Pandain was pressuring Koshi as he said his power was permanent and i find it hard to believe that's true.

I dont believe this from Seuss. Pandain said very clearly 4eva... How is that joking around when you have the same power... And if he noticed it, the symmetricalness would make instant sense when WoS said he could add.

Something is wrong with Seuss. The only excuse I accept is "I didnt read it" and it being Pandain claiming.

Did you think Pandain's power was real when he threathened you with it?
table for two on a tv tray
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 29 2013 18:17 GMT
#1391
On October 30 2013 03:09 HotCottonCandy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:05 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 03:01 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?

Yeah this is a point.

Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise?


Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game.

Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test.



I also forgot:

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

So why did you vote for Wave?


Because before Pandain came up again all I saw were two similar powers and I thought it weird to have a straight +1 power and an alternative +1/-1 power. Once Pandain came into the picture I realized my error, and if I'd remembered him sooner I'd have approached everything differently.


could you give us something more concrete though? Ignoring the powers of WoS and Pandain what makes WoS scummier then pandain to you?


The fact that he was buddying up to me for most of the game (I don't really care about the 180), the smurf tangent, the weird power fake out. People were also making strong arguments against him and pressuring him at the time, so it looked like he was grasping at something to save himself.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
October 29 2013 18:19 GMT
#1392
##Day 1 ##Vote ##Count

raynpelikoneet (0): Pandain
Promethelax (0): WaveofShadow
Pandain (1): raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster, OOHCHILD, HotCottonCandy
[UoN]Sentinel (1): HotCottonCandy, marvellosity, Promethelax, Seuss
Clarity_nl (0): marvellosity, Pandain, raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster, marvellosity, Promethelax, Koshi, Seuss
OOHCHILD (2): Promethelax, [UoN]Sentinel, Seuss, WaveofShadow, Clarity_nl, marvellosity, Oatsmaster
WaveOfShadow (7): raynpelikoneet, Koshi, marvellosity, HotCottonCandy, Promethelax, Seuss, Oatsmaster, WaveofShadow, Pandain, OOHCHILD
Seuss (0): OOHCHILD
strongandbig (1): WaveofShadow

Not voting (1): strongandbig

Current, WaveOfShadow is set to be ##lynched!
The ##lynch will happen in ## at ##21:00 GMT (+00:00).
Please let us know if there are ##errors.

Voting Thread
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 29 2013 18:21 GMT
#1393
On October 30 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i correctly read what Seuss is saying it makes sense.
Seuss do you think one of Wave and Pandain is scum now?


Probably. It would be weird to give all the vote powers to town. That would slant things against the mafia pretty hard.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43234 Posts
October 29 2013 18:22 GMT
#1394
On October 30 2013 03:21 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i correctly read what Seuss is saying it makes sense.
Seuss do you think one of Wave and Pandain is scum now?


Probably. It would be weird to give all the vote powers to town. That would slant things against the mafia pretty hard.

Then again, why are you voting for Sentinel?
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
October 29 2013 18:22 GMT
#1395
On October 30 2013 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:15 Koshi wrote:
On October 30 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:59 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?

Yeah this is a point.

Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise?


Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game.

Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test.



I also forgot:

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

How did you forget about Pandain as he kinda claimed earlier already?


I wrote that off as a non-serious exchange and didn't think any more of it. I didn't think it made any sense for Pandain to randomly assert he had a power like that.

Fair enough. I actually thought Pandain was pressuring Koshi as he said his power was permanent and i find it hard to believe that's true.

I dont believe this from Seuss. Pandain said very clearly 4eva... How is that joking around when you have the same power... And if he noticed it, the symmetricalness would make instant sense when WoS said he could add.

Something is wrong with Seuss. The only excuse I accept is "I didnt read it" and it being Pandain claiming.

Did you think Pandain's power was real when he threathened you with it?

I found it OP and strange. Didnt think too much of it. But I am not having almost the same role. I would at least connected the dots when WoS claimed instead of CC WoS and votinv WoS.

Also wasnt there somewhere a case on Pandain on revealing his role randomly?

But I agree with Candy that Seuss plays strong and quick on his feet. But newbie scum has more balls than experienced scum I think. But maybe not.

It is hard picking between WoS Seuss and Pandain tbh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 18:22 GMT
#1396
which one is scum?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
October 29 2013 18:23 GMT
#1397
Why are all the people with the jesus power so scummy???
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
October 29 2013 18:25 GMT
#1398
Yeah kinda funny it is these 3.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
October 29 2013 18:25 GMT
#1399
Also marv got 3 vote power atm. Rofl.
I had a good night of sleep.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 29 2013 18:26 GMT
#1400
On October 30 2013 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
StrongandBig where the hell are you and why did you say exactly what i did about Pandain after you had read my comment about him and his play this game???


I'm in class you assdouche. Go take a chill pull. Preferably a suppository.

I assume you're referring to this post:

On October 29 2013 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi:

This is what Pandain's town play looks like:
Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization of his reads, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization, maybe some sort of a case, repeat.

This is what Pandain's scum play looks like:
stuff, some weak reads, stuff, stuff, a case on someone, stuff, some defences against thread sentiment (usually on townies), soft buss, stuff, stuff, stuff, defence.. repeat from after the "a case on someone".

At some point that falls apart because he busses so much. When Pandain busses he does not really intend to lynch his scumbuddies. He does also defend a lot of people just for the sake of defending. You catch him when he has bussed someone and when they are up for a lynch he suddenly doesn't want to lynch them anymore (see Thug life and Palmar).


This actually isn't the same as what I said, what I'm talking about is the tone of the cases and summaries in his longer posts whereas i read your post as being about whether or not hes asking questions and whether hes mixing soft busses with "defenses against thread sentiment." I was pretty specific and so were you. I agree they are similar though.

Even if they were exactly the same, I would have posted my thing anyway because I want people to know what my thought process and analysis were. When I was making up my mind about pandain I did it without thinking about what you or other people said about him, I was looking at the evidence and making my own read.

Are you claiming that you think I just took your conclusion and then spent twenty minutes making it more specific, reading old games and filters and getting the evidence for it that you didn't, because that's easier than making up some shit? Or is it maybe more likely that I happened to come to a similar analysis as you?
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